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1/2/2013 12:54:39   
Baydraze
Member

I think, and many others, that bounty hunters are overpowered when they have a lot of enhancements.
This because there are many luck factors on a bh.
First of all you can have a very high block chance if u train a bit dex with shadow arts, but also do a lot of dmg with a str build.
You smoke someone and he cant block. Then you have massacre which is way too OP, why does it even crit sometimes??
Also you have emp for stealing someones mana. I saw builds which are so strong that u dont even need a lot of skill to kill someone, just the enhancements and the build.
Then you also have cheap shot. It would be better to remove smoke or shadow arts or even better EMP

Now the BM.
I think bms should have a replaced skill for fireball cause its something nobody can use now cause its waist of mana for no great damage at all. I would say emp or something.
Epic  Post #: 1
1/2/2013 12:55:46   
King Helios
Member

Bounty Hunters are not OP compared to STR5 Focus BMs.

oops

< Message edited by King Helios -- 1/2/2013 13:18:13 >
AQ MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 2
1/2/2013 13:04:13   
Yianman
Member

quote:

Bounty Hunters are not OP compared to STR BMs.

I'm a blood mage myself and I 100% agree with this. I cannot beat bounty hunters with a strength build as they just have shadow arts on top and when I attack they just block and finish you off with massacre. Bounty hunters are very overpowered in my opinion.
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 3
1/2/2013 13:23:18   
Blitzex/Sr. Zeph
Banned


 I agree with you on the BH part, the smoke-mass builds are way too op.

but about the fireball part, it is certainly not useless.
i always use this when i go STR bm because it is a unblock-defletable move that deals massive dmg used on rage.
This one should stay like it is.
Epic  Post #: 4
1/2/2013 13:38:29   
TurkishIncubus
Member

I think you guys are inexperienced, the str build you talk about can easyly countered with all classes. I would say BM and TLM are stronger than others but still not OP.
Epic  Post #: 5
1/2/2013 13:48:11   
Blitzex/Sr. Zeph
Banned


 ^ Says a BH.

Of course it can be countered, but that doesnt make it less OP.
When only 1 or 2 kind of builds can counter it, it is kinda OP.
Epic  Post #: 6
1/2/2013 13:51:34   
Mother1
Member

The only reason everyone is complain BH is OP is because of all the nerfs to the other classes while this one has yet to receive one in a long time. With all the extra stats we have now it is a wonder that this class is OP. When Omega comes these stats will be gone and the classes will be balanced. I say we wait and see what happens in omega then if it is still OP then nerf away.
Epic  Post #: 7
1/2/2013 14:10:41   
TurkishIncubus
Member

@Sr. Zeph

i dont like BH, its one of the reasons i dont play untill omega

and almost every build counters it. For example 5 focus TM- Tank TLM-5 focus BM-Str CH(if goes first)-Support CH-Caster merc (if goes first)
Epic  Post #: 8
1/2/2013 14:55:57   
Rayman
Banned


 BH OP? No, 5 Focus BM IS OP. and you must be crazy if you wanna give bms EMP Nade.
I agree that they can get alot of times efforthless wins but they aren't OP, What is really OP Is the Focus BM.
I Recently changed back to TM Again and I still Kill the Str BHs, And I Also Kill the Focus bms, but I don't win em all the time because focus bm is Kinda OP and don't even have full enhances and still have that lvl 33 gun.
AQW Epic  Post #: 9
1/2/2013 17:06:56   
ED Prince of Shadows
Member

How about we wait until Omega to decide?
AQW Epic  Post #: 10
1/2/2013 17:23:20   
Blaze The Aion Ender
Member

If we say our opinions before omega, prince of shadows, then they know what to do FOR omega

As for BH being OP, I agree, it's not that I lose to them often, but it's the speed at which they can get an 80%+ win rate
It's too good for the leaderboards, because it is nearly impossible for a TLM to win daily

As for 5 focus BM, it is fairly quick in it's fight, but not as quick as BH, but it is OP because all of their skills work so well together that it can get a 95% win rate at that decent speed

So for blood mages, remove deadly aim, replace it with almost anything, because then they would be no longer OP

As for BH, make massacre not regain HP from bloodlust, and I am entirely fine with the class

Know why no one complains about CH anymore? Because they do not regain 20 hp from an attack that is supposed to be only power
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 11
1/2/2013 18:02:15   
Mother1
Member

@ blaze

You must mean energy not health. Plus the only way they could do that is if they use static with rage, have enough strength, and crit with the II.
Epic  Post #: 12
1/2/2013 18:49:35   
Blaze The Aion Ender
Member

No, I was saying why people don't complain about CH anymore
Unlike the BH, the CH cannot regain 20 HP from using massacre, who's great strength is justified by having no added effect, while the BH who use it regain HP
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 13
1/2/2013 19:12:48   
Mother1
Member

@ Blaze

In order for a BH to gain 20 health from massacre they would need to be seriously abusing strength even with max blood lust. Most get 14-15 health with massacre at the most unless they crit with the II.

Plus CH never gained back health in the first place with an ultimate. in fact they are the only class that doesn't gain back health with their ultimate attack.
Epic  Post #: 14
1/2/2013 19:18:25   
Baydraze
Member

Ok I will now tell you why a bm is not stronger then a bh. I have like 105 enhancements and used to be 5 focus bm
I killed more bh's then I do now as a str hp bm. I cant really tell how it feels to be a high level bh but a bh has te ensuramce that he will smoke someone and actually hit always after that. Then you have the massacre which deals way too much dmg. But we will wait until omega as mother1 said hope bh gets a big nerf cause i get killed by low level non var bhs lol. We will see what new builds will be created
Epic  Post #: 15
1/3/2013 2:45:13   
Xendran
Member

Yes, hunters have gotten back to being a bit ridiculous again.
AQ DF Epic  Post #: 16
1/4/2013 2:24:09   
rayniedays56
Member

Wow.


I was trying to prove that hunters are not OP with massacre...


O_O


My results are shocking...


A hunter with 21-26+35 damage with a level 7 massacre can do 116% more damage.

That is only on base weapon damage, but it still is HIGH O_O


(21-26 + (35 x 116% bonus)

(21-26 + (41+35)

21-26+76 damage...that is UNBLOCKABLE


That is 97-102 damage

A bounty with MAX Bloodlust can heal

((23%)(97-102))

23-24 HP

ONLY if the opponents defenses are 0-0

Lets say they are fighting a TM with 25-30+5+1 Defense


that is 30-36 defense

Say the bounty negates 10 defense points


It is now 20-26


The bounty uses massacre


The massacre now does 71-76 Damage.


Still a LOT if you ask me O_O
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 17
1/4/2013 11:54:16   
Drianx
Member

^
Then imagine how much damage will take a malfunctioned opponent from a lv10 Super Charge attack doing 76-82 base damage. Remember, Super Charge also ignores 20% resistance, and heals back 30%, which is more than what Bloodlust does.

Do not take things out of context. It's a common mistake here.
AQW Epic  Post #: 18
1/4/2013 12:31:06   
King Helios
Member

She did 7 massacre, not max.
AQ MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 19
1/4/2013 14:59:27   
ED Prince of Shadows
Member

The amount of energy required for a high mass is insanely high, and people are also making it seem that no other classes have such skills as Massacre. Take Bludgeon, Supercharge, and more for example. I'm currently the TM and have found it possible to outdamage and defeat strength bounty hunters that go first! I am also wondering why you people are saying Massacre is overpowered when it's been part of the game for so long and was just as good when BHs were considered the worst class. It is extremely easy to counter them with the proper precautions, it is not like it is impossible to take their Mass away or lower their damage substantially.

One of the reason I say wait for Omega is because it removes stat enhancements, which are the primary reason strength hunters are very potent, so they will be nerfed considerably in that they can not abuse stats.
AQW Epic  Post #: 20
1/4/2013 15:26:07   
Drianx
Member

quote:

She did 7 massacre, not max.

Lv10 Super Charge is only 8 energy points more expensive than lv7 Massacre, and a Tech Mage resolves this with Reroute.


< Message edited by Drianx -- 1/4/2013 15:28:00 >
AQW Epic  Post #: 21
1/4/2013 18:01:40   
Xendran
Member

quote:

Then imagine how much damage will take a malfunctioned opponent from a lv10 Super Charge attack doing 76-82


I have a supercharge that maxes at 79 and i have 80 technology.
Level 10 massacre with my 67 strength would deal 104 damage.

On an average of 35 Resist:

Supercharge
79 - 28 = 51 Damage, 16 Health. Theoretical damage of 67.

Massacre
104 - 35 = 69

2 more Theoretical damage with 13 less str than tech.

With 26 (average 21 + 5 while debuffed) Resist
79 - 21 = 58 Damage, 18 Health. Theoretical damage of 76.

Massacre
104 - 26 = 78.

Again, 2 more theoretical damage with 13 less str than tech.

Conclusion: Even with inferior appropriate stats, massacre is superior.

Important Note: Bloodlust was not taken into consideration for massacre, meaning it can potentially be even more superior. Also, the lower you go in skill level, the more superior massacre becomes.



< Message edited by Xendran -- 1/4/2013 18:20:18 >
AQ DF Epic  Post #: 22
1/4/2013 18:10:38   
ED Prince of Shadows
Member

My suggestion: HP increases by 2s per point, energy 1. No agility, and field medic scales with support. Boom-- heal loopers back and better than ever-- the best counter to anything strength.
AQW Epic  Post #: 23
1/4/2013 19:07:49   
Yianman
Member

@ED Prince of Shadows
That would make heal loopers OP.
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 24
1/5/2013 9:47:26   
ED Prince of Shadows
Member

I was a BH in beta and loved fighting heal loopers, just saying.
AQW Epic  Post #: 25
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