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2/6/2013 16:44:08   
VanitySixx
Member

Due to the fact that strength builds own soooooo hard now, and not many builds out there (that i've seen) that can successfully stop it, I believe either our old way of distributing health and energy should come back, or at least the health part (+2 per stat point).

I believe this was the only way for things to be better. Because I mean, who really wants to see another class get nerfed when ALL classes are abusing strength since it's so easy now lol. Might as well give us our old health distributing back, but preferably, keep the Energy distributing at +1 per stat point for balance reasons.

AQW Epic  Post #: 1
2/6/2013 16:46:05   
Vegafire
Member

Agreed, the energy is fine as initial rates have been increased and well nobody apart from casters need massive ammounts but only mercinary's seem to be able to maintain decent defences, high hitts and insane ammounts of HP
AQW Epic  Post #: 2
2/6/2013 16:59:58   
Stabilis
Member

Players need high amounts of health at level 35.

Perhaps the base health should increase by level. What if Mercenary health at 35 was 170, Mage health was 130, and Hunter health was 150?

And for energy, obviously Mages would have the highest energy, Hunters second, Mercenaries third, etc.
AQ Epic  Post #: 3
2/6/2013 17:05:32   
Vegafire
Member

170? they already have defences as passives, and what about a 30 battling a 35 would be a mirracle for them to win, we need the 2-1 Hp ratio back

AQW Epic  Post #: 4
2/6/2013 17:19:05   
jzozezjzozez
Member
 

 No, don't complain about other classes, improve yours. Right now game is balanced because as you can tell from the leaderboard, all classes can counter each other. Str mercs have a lower win % so it doesnt mean they are OP. Its perfect. ty
AQ  Post #: 5
2/6/2013 17:21:05   
Stabilis
Member

Vegafire,

Level 30 Mercenaries, if the level 35 had 170, means that the level 30 has 170 / 35 * 30 which is 146 health. Not bad for 5 levels lower. In a 2:1 ratio the highest difference between the 30 and 35 is 40 health (5 levels * 4 stat points * 2 health) which results a health difference even greater than mine, surprisingly.
AQ Epic  Post #: 6
2/6/2013 17:50:10   
the final hour
Banned


 my first issue with this is strengh builds work better with higher hp -.- . other then that i agree
Post #: 7
2/6/2013 18:15:26   
Stabilis
Member

Yeah, rage gain.

Rage has defected to the dark side of Omega. Then again I guess it was always there. What needs to happen is a revamping of rage, and if desired, more protection gained from Dexterity or Technology points.
AQ Epic  Post #: 8
2/6/2013 22:31:13   
Giras Wolfe
Member

Strength Mercenaries rage on turn 3. With the amount of HP we have to manage with now, that's game over no matter your defenses.
AQ AQW Epic  Post #: 9
2/7/2013 0:54:23   
VanitySixx
Member

quote:

No, don't complain about other classes, improve yours. Right now game is balanced because as you can tell from the leaderboard, all classes can counter each other.


Can't believe you say this is balanced XD Just because non variums and lower levels can kill maximum level players does NOT mean it's balanced now! Whoever gets the 1st turn usually wins these days! Judging from what you just said, you are most likely either NOT level 35 or you do NOT have varium

We paid large amounts of money for power into this game and they just took it away like that! They took away our edge in battle! I'm sure we don't dump hundreds of dollars into this game just because the weapons look cool...but now that people can do EVERYTHING a varium player can do, Varium is useless at this point. I can't take EpicDuel being like this.

I just believe, if I have supported ED by buying lots of varium since Beta, I should get more than just a measly little Achievement and a little var back from them weakening us by taking our enhancements!

All weapons can now be equal to each other so there is NO reason to buy new weapons in the game!

This game is far too unbalanced to be enjoyable by anyone who has spent as much money as I have into this game! I'm seriously angry...Omega overall is nice, like the idea of it. It's just the fact that they can't just take our power like that. WE PAID FOR IT!
AQW Epic  Post #: 10
2/7/2013 1:05:08   
Mother1
Member

@ vanitysixx

this update was made for non variums so of course they are happy. For them they can get the stuff they normally couldn't (unless it is an old promo) and since the core are available for all they have just about everything we will ever have other then promos.

However even with that, the game is more luck based then ever. Whoever goes first usually wins (which is luck) unless they get blocked deflected crit or stunned (oh wait more luck) There was also someone else who claimed jug was balanced because the of the LB as well be we know different.

As for this idea I support it 100%. We do need our health back because strength got buffed, support got overbuffed (supported needed a buff but this is too much) and everything else got nerfed. Fights aren't like they were in delta. With more health at least our defenses will work again, and strength will get nerfed somewhat.
Epic  Post #: 11
2/7/2013 1:19:53   
VanitySixx
Member

I really dislike how ED has been helping out non variums for a while. Idk if many players have noticed but they were easing their way into doing this! I know they want to please everyone and most players are probably non varium, but come on! The people that love and support them are going to disappear and ED will have to start running ads all over their site so the game can be free!

I don't wanna go down that path in the future! I knew this was going to happen but I thought Cores were going to be mostly for varium players but I guess I was wrong!

In Late Gamma/Early Delta ED Eased their way into boosting non var power by having them able to equip weapons higher than their level
Next thing you know, they can enhance and the Assault Bots are roaming around for us Varium players only!
Then they ended up getting the Rusted Assault Bot that was basically the same exact thing!
Then their able to make more credits with Power Hour twice a day so it's easier to enhance!
Next, EpicDuel made the non varium weapons themselves somewhat as good as Varium weapons!
This makes our weapons nearly obsolete and this is where it all starts going wrong!
They end up making us some epic bots! We still have bot power with Gamma Bot, Bio Borg, etc. This is our edge....UNTIL THEY MADE THE INFERNAL ANDROID!
They created ways to buy varium weapons for credits (starting off with Infernal Android)
They created cooler looking weapons for Omega to make it seem like these would own so hard and make a huge difference for us! We bought them believing this will be our chance! IT'S NOT!
These weapons are BARELY stronger than any other of the weapons in the game! I couldn't believe this!
Cores ended up being able to be bought with Varium AND Credits!
Non Variums are now as good as players that have spent hundreds and maybe thousands of dollars into the game!
We end up getting the Yeti bots but TOO BAD 5 Focus fails since our health is soooo low. ANY player would kill you in 2-4 turns with ease!
Now....

Not much left to do...the only possible way to make things even remotely right is to bring the health back to +2. I mean, it won't fix everything because everything doesn't need fixing. I just feel Non Variums has had way too many buffs and the developers are starting to forget who helps this game run...paid players. There's absolutely no reason to buy any varium now. None.

I'm done.
AQW Epic  Post #: 12
2/7/2013 1:28:29   
the final hour
Banned


 ^you forget to mention the fact that LQ items such as dages guns can be bought for credits now . glad i never spent varium on the dages got mine with creds when omega went live ,

idk i agree the health needs to go up for the higher levels but not without a nerf to strengh cause higher hp makes the strengh builds that are alrdy dominating more powerful .
Post #: 13
2/7/2013 1:32:19   
VanitySixx
Member

As long as they SERIOUSLY try to balance the game and actually consider these suggestions the game would be perfect.

But i'm sorry devs, I know you worked hard on Omega. But if you're really going to downgrade your paying customers like this, I'm quitting. And I know that won't mean much to you developers since this is an MMO but I'm positive nobody will be buying varium unless something is worth it.

Not even the Omega weapons are worth the 50 bucks anymore... They should start diminishing strength at 13-16 damage. Same with Support but at 16-20 damage.
AQW Epic  Post #: 14
2/7/2013 23:00:09   
arthropleura
Member

Support :D
DF AQW Epic  Post #: 15
2/8/2013 13:35:29   
110Stalker
Member

This game seems quite balanced. How would anyone know though. Due to the fact that everyone is copying someone else's build.
For example, if you spam strength, but have to sacrifice, say support to do that. The enemy should be getting criticals off the hook for an even match.
Sacrifice dexterity, and you should get blocked more. So on and so forth.
DF AQW Epic  Post #: 16
2/9/2013 17:58:43   
VanitySixx
Member

.....the game isn't balanced. Bottom line. But as they [Developers] said, they'll be working towards more balance updates so all us players who feel this way will have to just wait it out and see what the devs can fix up for us.
AQW Epic  Post #: 17
2/9/2013 19:37:47   
Blaze The Aion Ender
Member

Mother1
Support OVERBUFFED?
That's insane!
Strength destroys every supp build I've used
Mass is brutal, Double Strike and Berserker are brutal
Deal with strength, then if support is overpowered, then nerf it (again)
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 18
2/9/2013 19:50:04   
VanitySixx
Member

Lol all I ask for is for health to return to +2 per level up and take off this +1hp per level (keep energy...nothing is wrong with it so far).

Health is the key to balance! Health, and the diminishing of strength at 13-16 damage. I've done the math already XD
AQW Epic  Post #: 19
2/9/2013 20:16:10   
Raffillia
Member

@Vanity

Too Elitist.

ED is a freemium game before where cashers HAD an advantage.

quote:

Before Omega, EpicDuel was strictly a Freemium game with obvious advantages to those who cashed in.

Technically, in any online game, it's quite common save for those who sold memberships and put the subscribers to an exclusive server.

Now, due to the sudden "Equality", cashers refuse to stick to the status quo(Current state) because they have gotten used to getting an unfair advantage- Call it "Your money's worth", but an advantage is an advantage. In short, before Omega was released, cashers were groomed spoiled up to the point that they are complaining about it right now.

In addition, before Omega, cashers were also the ones who ushered it faster because of hype- Only to have their hopes destroyed along with their advantage due to the fact they are spoiled.

Now I'd just like to say that you'll have to deal with it. Every player looked forward to Omega before it was released, the developers worked hard to ensure it. Now I'm seeing complaints about Omega related to the loss of advantages var-users HAD. Please, if you forced me to go overtime for a few months straight while perfecting the details only for you to be ungrateful about it, I'd go crazy right there and now.


Free-players are a source of economy. You were one once before you started buying varium.

The reason why freemium games exist is to make free players a 'demo' version and where buying online currency 'upgrades to the full version'. It's like the game emphasizes that being a free player sucks just so that they'll buy said currency or membership in order to even the playing field.

Then again, too many varium-users is a bad thing. Newer players might quit out of frustration because of a certain hierarchy. Too much of a good thing is never beneficial in the end.

People strive for balance but want to maintain an edge, in my opinion, they're hypocrites.

/rant

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Back on-topic:

Making the HP/Energy ratio back to 1-2 will make str builds more efficient as they have to spend less stat points to maintain high hp.

< Message edited by Raffillia -- 2/9/2013 20:19:26 >
Post #: 20
2/9/2013 21:09:36   
VanitySixx
Member

@Raffillia

That's the thing though, Varium has no more use! It's completely obsolete in Omega! But we're not talking about how varium is useless. This topic is for balancing the game. I believe if you buy varium, you should have an edge. Even if it is a slight one like a few extra stat points or some varium only cores or weapons. Anything. Because I know I did NOTTTT just waste all my money on this game for all of these years...
AQW Epic  Post #: 21
2/9/2013 23:04:04   
Stabilis
Member

You can have your "edge", with exclusive skill cores.
AQ Epic  Post #: 22
2/10/2013 1:16:28   
RageSoul
Member

I agree , Health really needs to be scaled back to 2 HP/point .

But about that "Varium no longer has an edge thing" .....

Time advantage is an edge , because you're delaying the Non-Vars making more Credits .
AQW Epic  Post #: 23
2/12/2013 3:36:42   
VanitySixx
Member

@Lord

That's an advantage that is definitely not worth it. Varium will always help, but the advantages these days are extremely EXTREMELY slim so there's no point in buying it anymore.

I mean, at least give Promos some power back.
AQW Epic  Post #: 24
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