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3/24/2013 2:46:38   
Hard boy
Member

Wow this lucky is really annoying. littrally I go 1v1, this Bh starts 1st with less supp, deflects me with less tech, crits with less supp, and blocks me, gets a stun and finishes me off with yeti... like seriously I would have been less frustrated if a sign popped out before the battle telling me that I got defeated. So anyway I go 2v2 and ofcoarse like always, me and a 32 vs 2 35's (both Bh to be specific), they start 1st ofcoarse, I bot they deflect, then some turns later, they kill my partner and I had rage next and one of them had 35 hp left, Im like YES I still have a chance to win, I bot and who would have guessed (22 DEFLECTION YAY).

Look guys, I dont mind luck in the battle but for some reason this game just pushes it WAYYYYY too far, like ok he started 1st, alright he blocked my 1st attack, oh GIMME A BREAK he deflected my second attack, OH WTH he crit stuns me, he uses azrael's will OH FOR REAL? then rage and im dead...,
game is pre determined by the RNG, there is no way to escape the result this game pre determines for you, you can strike ul get blocked, and if you try to outsmart the game and use unblockables ur deflected, but what if i use skills? game picks the lowest damage the skill can do from its "range damage".

So what im getting to is,

1) lower the minimum % of luck factors
2) remove these Luck based cores "ninja reflexes etc..."
3) STOP making cores that have effects similar to skills, or atleast works as efficient as one "chaiman's fury" "azrael's will and the other one"
4) and for god sakes, REMOVE shadow arts from the game, THE WHOLE GAME, dont nerf it, just remove it, it replaces half what dex is supposed to do.., like littrally I get blocked by cyber hunters with 30 or so dex when I have 80+ dex, and ofcoarse They say "OH but i have SA"

that took alot off my Chest regarding ED's state..

Thanks.

Please do not use CAPS in the title, as it is counted as spam. Edited out some coarse words. ~Wind

< Message edited by Wind -- 3/24/2013 3:08:07 >
Epic  Post #: 1
3/24/2013 3:16:07   
zer00x
Member

Yeah, i know, this isnt epic duel anymore, is just lucky duel, throw a coin to decide who is going to win. Last fight i had my opponent was going to win but i blocked the rage and the next attack. Like really, skill its useless if luck its against you. Also bh its dominating as always, now with super EMPs and high smoke + shadow arts (and maybe the block core).
AQW  Post #: 2
3/24/2013 3:22:17   
Thesoulweaver
Member

Looks like you have real bad luck.

Besides, it is possible for all those things to happen even at very low levels.

1)And no, Removing ninja reflexes and shadow arts while nerf BHs and CHs a little too much
2) Platinum's Pride and Azarel's will are some of the exclusive, best cores in game. While Pride deserves a nerf, Azarel's will is only suitable for desperate conditions. None of the other cores are so good ( Some exceptions ) .

Perhaps your only suggestion which could be considered is reducing luck%.
MQ AQW  Post #: 3
3/24/2013 3:26:17   
TRizZzCENTRINO
Member

just your bad luck, without RNG this game would be worse, nerfing luck factors would just benefit strength builds or those builds that doesn't require luck more.
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 4
3/24/2013 3:26:44   
Hard boy
Member

@thesoul

Oh no no no, check the balance thread 70% of it is people complaining about luck and the other 30% complaining about luck cores + bh, Im not having bad luck, perhaps ur having Very good luck.

Are you by any chance/coincidence a bh or ch????
Epic  Post #: 5
3/24/2013 3:34:37   
Thesoulweaver
Member

I'm mage.

I have an alt whose a CH.

What i'm meaning to say is ( In case your taking offence) is that luck should be lowered, however removing SA will nerf BH and CH will nerf them very badly, unless a suitable replacement is offered. nerfing BL will affect BMs badly.



Or a another idea just struck me. Every Crit, Deflection and dogde should eat up some rage. That way, people will not crit, dodge and deflect to get to rage.
MQ AQW  Post #: 6
3/24/2013 3:38:12   
TRizZzCENTRINO
Member

quote:

Are you by any chance/coincidence a bh or ch????

hmm so you think whoever is that class just wants to keep it powerful by saying that it is doing fine? that is a completely invalid reason

bloodmage is doing exceptionally well without SA, same goes for tactical mercenaries and techmages, you just managed to click the button at the wrong time.
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 7
3/24/2013 3:41:02   
Hard boy
Member

@thesoul
Nah bro, (takes alot to offend me xD)

anyways the block deflect increase rage part is already there, but the other one about critting will effect no one since I as a merc can get my rage eaten up for critting.

@trizz
my point is, keep luck as it is (how it is just random), And "remove" the skills/cores that influence it, since that is what makes the game frustrating
Epic  Post #: 8
3/24/2013 3:42:34   
Thesoulweaver
Member

@above.

I'm not talking about keeping it powerful. I'm saying that removing the skill altogether will nerf BH and CH badly, unless a suitable replacement is offered.

Nerfing SA or some skill like cheap shot, or making EMP a little weaker is what is needed to bring them in line.
MQ AQW  Post #: 9
3/24/2013 3:42:44   
Hard boy
Member

@Trizz

EVERYONE IS DOING GOOD MAN, Im talking about Luck not skills, luck doesnt make the class OP, LUCK INFLUENCED skills make its class OP
Epic  Post #: 10
3/24/2013 3:45:46   
TRizZzCENTRINO
Member

quote:

@trizz
my point is, keep luck as it is (how it is just random), And "remove" the skills/cores that influence it, since that is what makes the game frustrating

nah, it is perfectly fine, remember luck can not be reliable so those who has luck influenced skills cannot always benefit from it, that's what makes it balanced.

quote:

@Trizz

EVERYONE IS DOING GOOD MAN, Im talking about Luck not skills, luck doesnt make the class OP, LUCK INFLUENCED skills make its class OP

since when? all the past OP classes has nothing to do with luck influenced skills.
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 11
3/24/2013 3:47:13   
Thesoulweaver
Member

Hard boy,

my point is that support mercs can do a lot of damage by crits, even while having a 5 focus build. In the end, i'm sure the dvelopers want all classes to be equal.

I think you got my idea wrong.

Every crit/def/dodge should take away some rage.
Therefore, the more you crit, dodge, deflect, the more time it will take you to rage. (The reference for mercs was for this)
MQ AQW  Post #: 12
3/24/2013 4:05:33   
Hard boy
Member

@Trizz
Since SA released Bh's became Op, the masters of blocking, whether you have 100 dex or 50 dex, Its impossible to strike twice and not get atleast 1 of the hits blocked, let alone the majority of the time getting both blocked. Look at the game population 70-80% of it is BH, how do you explain that? does it look familiar? When mercs were "Op" everyone went mercs, you had the same percentage of population as mercs.

so yeah.

@thesoul

Especially for mercs and Tlm's

since supp was nerfed, u would have to sacrifice alot of defenses to have good supp. which non will becuz with low defenses + getting smoked or malfed and not being able to recover from it (mercs -.-)
as it might seem that getting blocked/deflected increases my rage by alot, my highest dmg skill (bot) has already been negated by a deflect, and rage coming early will screw me over and make me either have to heal too early to skip a turn while wasting alot of my heal's potential, or risk getting blocked by striking, or raging my gun (which defeats the purpose of my rage since its made to dish out quiet the damage).
Epic  Post #: 13
3/24/2013 4:11:01   
TRizZzCENTRINO
Member

@hard boy I'm sure people are not dumb enough to keep striking them if they have got a decent chance to block, and I'm also sure that they have heard and used unblockable attacks before, many play as BH mainly because that it is flexible, you can make a lot of builds with that class and who knows maybe they like the looks and the weapon type of BH, i was a BH before and used a build that is commonly used by many BHs, yet i still get defeated by other classes, so i don't see any problems with it.
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 14
3/24/2013 4:16:12   
Hard boy
Member

@above

yeah sure... a month ago people liked the the looks of mercs, and the flexibility of builds ooooh we have seen alot of flexible builds, but now suddenly fashion changed and 3/4 of ED players suddenly became bh, and oddly enough they all have the same 5 focus build and they are dominating the leaderboards, YYYUP thats totally it..
Epic  Post #: 15
3/24/2013 4:21:52   
TRizZzCENTRINO
Member

@above a month ago people changed to mercs and used only the strength build so you can easily tell, for hunters i see tech build, dex build and support build and sometimes the strength build, and what is wrong with 5 focus? people buy robots to use them and not just let it sit there doing nothing.
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 16
3/24/2013 4:30:48   
Hard boy
Member

Wait a second, did you just say supp build? str build? whattt?????????????? when??????????

oh dex builds I already talked about, but tech builds (no tech builds but focus tech) my friend, thats when ur ultimate bot comes in dishing enormous damage while BL rewards you Pure hp, and you got the revoltingly powerful smoke screen that leaves no attacks unblocked and Oh who woulda guessed, shadow arts is still fully functional for you, giving you blocks whenever you desire.

well what was wrong with str builds, people bought primaries to use them not to get stuck with bots, auxes and low damage strikes.
Epic  Post #: 17
3/24/2013 4:40:04   
ansh0
Member

Trizz, if the hunter's block chance is not an issue, I demand all classes to get a 49% block chance like hunters.

Clearly no one is dmub enough to keep using blockable attacks.
Epic  Post #: 18
3/24/2013 5:05:38   
TRizZzCENTRINO
Member

@above sure if hunters get their passives too, like DA for example

quote:

Wait a second, did you just say supp build? str build? whattt?????????????? when??????????

oh dex builds I already talked about, but tech builds (no tech builds but focus tech) my friend, thats when ur ultimate bot comes in dishing enormous damage while BL rewards you Pure hp, and you got the revoltingly powerful smoke screen that leaves no attacks unblocked and Oh who woulda guessed, shadow arts is still fully functional for you, giving you blocks whenever you desire.

well what was wrong with str builds, people bought primaries to use them not to get stuck with bots, auxes and low damage strikes.

you serious? i have fought many of these builds during this week, and no they do not block when they desire it, like i said it is a luck based passive so it cannot be reliable, unlike deadly aim or adrenalin it doesn't guarantee you that it would work whenever you wanted it to.
primaries is a must or else you can't get into a battle :P plus you do not have to buy primaries, you can just equip your basic starter weapons, if you do not want to use your AUX or gun then it is your problem.
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 19
3/24/2013 5:19:15   
Hard boy
Member

I'm confused, you actually took the Sarcastic half of my comment and took it littrally? ofcoarse they dont block when they desire, but blocks are nearly as often as that. "like i said it is a luck based passive so it cannot be reliable" and thats what I was talking about in the past hour or so.. these luck based skills should be out of the game, it breaks balance, its either you get screwed by adding 10 skillpoints to it, or the other guy gets screwed and gets 0% chance to win. = no strategy.
Epic  Post #: 20
3/24/2013 5:24:11   
TRizZzCENTRINO
Member

@above too tired to take notice of your sarcasm, its 2 am here.
anyways, it is just your bad luck that's all, the luck factor % has already been nerfed and it is the same as a few weeks before, and what would you replace them with? you need to do better than just say that they need to be taken out of the game, choose something to replace it. it being unreliable is what balances that passive.
also it is selfish if you want it nerfed because you had bad luck that day.

quote:

its either you get screwed by adding 10 skillpoints to it, or the other guy gets screwed and gets 0% chance to win. = no strategy.

not true, I'm sure your definition of strategy is dealing the exact damage and who ever has more power wins with no luck factors.

< Message edited by TRizZzCENTRINO -- 3/24/2013 5:27:27 >
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 21
3/24/2013 9:14:21   
DARK SOUL OF HELL
Member

I personally agree 100% with u hard boy .
this game is becoming too much of a luck game it is no more a strategic game .
and about the SA skill , seriously it is like the devs come to the players and say : hey we introduced something that will kill all ur hope and dreams of defeating BHs
that skill shouldn't existed for the first , plus if it was necessary to do so at least make it under the law of max block chance , meaning that the shadow art shouldn't be able to surpass the max % of blocks .
i actually made a thread about the blocks that BH do . it was a bad idea actually , i suggested putting malf on BH , that was a stupid idea , cause we will end up with 2 CHs :P plus the problem is SA .
plus smoke is a skill that only exists on BH where as malf exists on TM and CH . add a smoke to SA and a block core :o :o :o :O ultimate block chance .

< Message edited by DARK SOUL OF HELL -- 3/24/2013 9:27:05 >
Post #: 22
3/24/2013 9:15:30   
DARK SOUL OF HELL
Member

here

< Message edited by DARK SOUL OF HELL -- 3/24/2013 9:16:50 >
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