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3/29/2013 0:56:33   
ReinVI
Member

ok seriously what the hell is up with the current luck %'s? I go into fights and am CONSISTENTLY deflected and blocked.. like this last fight i went up against a TM
gun~ deflected, Aux Deflected, Rage bot Deflected, two turns laters gun deflected and bot attack blocked... I mean seriously? it's ridiculous. I don't mind luck as I
know it needs to be in the game but at the current rate that it happens it's pretty much making the game brawn over brain instead of the way it "should" be brain over
brawn. ... What's the point in using any sort of strategy when 8 times out of 10 your important attacks are going to be blocked or deflected thanks to insane luck %'s
I wouldn't mind that point when your finishing blow is deflected and they win cause of it IF it didn't happen 60% of the freaking time and most of these times it's always
the same story... someone with lower stats how is that even logical? I have 65+32 tech and yet the guy who has 40+10 has that much of a chance to deflect my attacks?
Epic  Post #: 1
3/29/2013 1:14:18   
TRizZzCENTRINO
Member

it is just possibilities, you can blame no-one, you just managed to click at the wrong time, it can be on your side and it can be against you at times, it is just how it works.
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 2
3/29/2013 1:26:23   
ansh0
Member

It's true, SA needs to go.

Luck cores should drop down to 1% and 5 focus users should never block or crit.
Epic  Post #: 3
3/29/2013 1:27:46   
ReinVI
Member

I would like to agree with you but there is NO way I can possibly do so when blocks and deflects are as frequent as they currently are then there is something to blame
and that's the games current %'s on these effects happening obviously it's made even worse by the luck cores that raise block + deflect %'s
Epic  Post #: 4
3/29/2013 1:32:59   
Mother1
Member

@ ansho

What does focus 5 users have to do with the luck factor?
Epic  Post #: 5
3/29/2013 1:38:53   
ReinVI
Member

yeah ansho this discussion is not in any way shape or form about the 5 focus builds ...
Epic  Post #: 6
3/29/2013 1:47:50   
ansh0
Member

Since they are most likely to crit/block/deflect and everyone is using it.

To bring more diversity and nerf it.
Epic  Post #: 7
3/29/2013 1:54:58   
Mother1
Member

@ ansho

And where is your hard evidence that focus builds have the chance to crit/deflect/and stun more then others? Last I checked chance can't be controlled no matter what build you are. While you can stack the odds in your favor you can't control it.

Epic  Post #: 8
3/29/2013 2:04:13   
ansh0
Member

Since they have decent stats in all categories.

A support build has a high crit chance, low deflect/block chance.

Focus has decent-good chances for all.

I thought you could do the math.
Epic  Post #: 9
3/29/2013 2:12:15   
Thesoulweaver
Member

The increase to luck is a more of balance thing.

Earlier, people with better stats dominated ED. With the new luck factors, even those totally new players have a chance of winning. And besides, does it happen every match?
MQ AQW  Post #: 10
3/29/2013 2:15:35   
Mother1
Member

@ ansho

A will ask you again where is your proof that focus 5 ACTUALLY crit/block/deflect/stun more then other builds.

you just stated that they have a better chance then some since they spread their stats out in an even way. You never stated proof that they crit more then others.

On topic

Luck is funny like that. it comes and goes. No offense OP but it sounds like you want luck controlled which sadly isn't possible no matter how much you reduces the chances. Even if you made the chances of each of these happening 1% and nothing could increase these factors say if that 1 percent happened 3 times in a row? Odds would be against it, but it still happened.
Epic  Post #: 11
3/29/2013 2:22:10   
ansh0
Member

My god, I just proved it to you!

Focus-luck

Block %- roughly 20-30 %
Deflect- roughly 20
Crit- Not sure what it is


Dex build-
Block-35%
Deflect- 5-10%
Crit- riughly 5 %


Support Build

block- roughly 10 %

deflect- roughly 10%

Crit- roughly 25%



This is because focus builds have lots of stats in ALL luck inducing categories.
Epic  Post #: 12
3/29/2013 2:26:17   
Thesoulweaver
Member

Looks like you don't know your math.

Why don't you put your build here, and the opponent's build and then calculate?

Cause all of this is based both on your and your opponent's stats.
MQ AQW  Post #: 13
3/29/2013 2:26:30   
Mother1
Member

@ Ansho

You proved to me they have the CHANCE to do all these things more. You never proved to me that they ACTUALLY do these things more. Having the chance to do something more =/= actually doing something more.
Epic  Post #: 14
3/29/2013 2:31:36   
Thesoulweaver
Member

These are the formula's-
Chance to Deflect = 10 + (Technology Advantage / 3)

Chance to Critical Strike = 4 + (Support Advantage / 7)

Block Chance = 8% + (Defender's Dexterity - Attacker's Dexterity) / 2.5

Taken from epicduel wiki
MQ AQW  Post #: 15
3/29/2013 3:04:28   
TRizZzCENTRINO
Member

ansh0 just hates 5 focus because he/her keeps getting beaten by them i guess :P
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 16
3/29/2013 3:23:04   
ansh0
Member

Not really, I was 5 focus(with Omega Yeti) myself and I switched from since it was too boring.

I am just tired of going in to battle and seeing a 5 focus user. EVERY.SINGLE.TIME.

I don't know about you but I like seeing more than 1 kind of battle.

And lemme guess, you all are running 5 focus?
Epic  Post #: 17
3/29/2013 3:47:27   
Thesoulweaver
Member

Nope. I'm not.

Please try not to bring your 5 focus vendetta in every balance thread.

< Message edited by Thesoulweaver -- 3/29/2013 3:49:05 >
MQ AQW  Post #: 18
3/29/2013 4:04:30   
TRizZzCENTRINO
Member

@ansh0 whats not to like about 5 focus? it gives more options and diversity than any other build, with 5 focus you can use all the things equipped on you and dealing moderate damage with it, killing 5 focus is killing diversity.

quote:

I am just tired of going in to battle and seeing a 5 focus user. EVERY.SINGLE.TIME.

I don't know about you but I like seeing more than 1 kind of battle.

i can say the same about strength abuse mercenaries at the start of omega and support abuse techmages and cyber hunters when strength was nerfed.
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 19
3/29/2013 4:08:26   
AQWorldsFarmer
Member

@ Trizz

I like 5 focus, but I don't like how almost EVERY person has it.

Either it needs to be nerfed, or certain skills need to be buffed.
Post #: 20
3/29/2013 4:13:52   
Mother1
Member

@ aqw

And that is not a valid reason to nerf focus 5 either. Now if everyone was using it and all of them had something that was nuking the masses such as the Maul berzerker combo Strength merc has or some other OP combo's like that I could understand.

However wanting to nerf something just because you believe everyone is using it without something that is extremely game breaking about focus itself isn't a valid reason to nerf it. Remember everything that was nerfed was nerfed because the damage was too much, or had an effect that made something in the game useless not because everyone is using this build and some individuals that are bored with fighting these builds wants to force everyone to use the builds they think they should use.
Epic  Post #: 21
3/29/2013 4:19:18   
TRizZzCENTRINO
Member

@AQW @above exactly, just because 'some' people don't like seeing 5 focus everytime, it doesn't mean it needs to be nerfed, it is perfectly fine right now it's neither OP or UP, you just have to deal with it or find a valid reason to nerf it, saying that you do not like seeing them every battle and want to nerf it so people can use other builds is a rather ....... reason.

and we are getting off topic.

on topic: still if % are decreased then it would greatly benefit strength builds because they hate the so called luck and don't rely on it to win

< Message edited by TRizZzCENTRINO -- 3/29/2013 4:22:55 >
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 22
3/29/2013 5:07:37   
ansh0
Member

If it wasn't OP, everybody won't be using it.

I think all of us know that the masses always use the OP builds.

And the masses are using 5 focus.




< Message edited by ansh0 -- 3/29/2013 5:09:10 >
Epic  Post #: 23
3/29/2013 5:22:04   
TRizZzCENTRINO
Member

@above they just want to use their bots and other equipments they bought to their full extent, whats the point of buying them if you are not going to use them, like i said 5 focus brings alot of options and diversity because you are not being restricted by anything, that's the original intention of the omega phase but due to people abusing stats, that restriction was put back on.
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 24
3/29/2013 5:53:17   
ansh0
Member

So the intention of omega is to force everyone into using focus builds..?
Epic  Post #: 25
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