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3/23/2013 7:55:53

Blitzex/Sr. Zeph
Banned

Due to the changes to IA, gamma bot has became more OP then it already was.
At first, it did not look so OPed because IA came close to it.

But now IA got nerfed, the bot has way more advantages then every other bot in this game, which are:
- Repeatable special effect which deals dmg and does not rely on the opponent (Bio Borg can repeat it, but its specials relies on the opponent)
- Special always deals 100% dmg
- Only a 3 turn cooldown
- No warm-up
- Does not require a certain thing to make the special effective (except technology/focus lvl ofcourse) like bio borg and the yetis do.

As you can see, it stands out by alot.
This robot has taken its price, but even if it costed alot of varium/promo, is no reason to just leave it and stay the most OP robot in the whole game, forever.
Omega is all about balance, that isnt particularly the case when they leave this robot as it is.

That why i suggest the following:
Option 1.
Make the Special 90% damage every single time its used, it will still be repeatable, and have all the other advantages it already has.
Option 2.
Increase the specials cooldown to 4 and dealing 95% damage every time.

Possible statement from people who got it:

quote:

It costed us 2200 varium or a promo, it should not get nerfed because it has been so for 2 year

Invalid.
All weapons/robots are meant to be equal on a certain way, just because it has costed a promo is no reason to let it stay OP forever.
Golden yeti has taken far more trouble to get, yet its the same as the Omega Baby yeti.

< Message edited by Blitzex/Sr. Zeph -- 3/23/2013 8:02:45 >

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3/23/2013 8:01:46

ansh0
Member

I would rather IA got a buff but they look reasonable.

The special needs a damage reduction or some kind of penalty.

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Post #: 2

3/23/2013 8:03:58

Blitzex/Sr. Zeph
Banned

^ IA has always been a OPed robot, im glad that it got nerfed.
However the nerf was a bit too big, which makes Gamma bot OP because IA was the only robot that came close to Gamma bot its power.

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Post #: 3

3/23/2013 8:11:15

Drianx
Member

Agreed with ansh0.

Instead of screwing Gamma Bot as well, I'd make Infernal Android's damage cap to be 100% - just like Gamma Bot is - but reachable in 5 turns, like:
- 1st turn: 60% damage
- 2nd turn: 70% damage
- 3rd turn: 80% damage
- 4th turn: 90% damage
- 5th turn onwards: 100% damage

And of course I'd remove the 'once per battle' usage of IA's special.

AQW

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Post #: 4

3/23/2013 8:15:38

Ranloth
Banned

I'm loving the way you think. So balance doesn't depend on overall power but on the power of.. another item? Btw, I demand Gamma Bot to have Chomp because Yeti has it, deals good damage whilst Gamma sucks.

No, stop it. If you think balance depends on another item then don't even bother. So because Plasma Cannon is weaker than Bunker Buster, should we buff Cannon? No, because BMs have other skills that make Cannon on par with Bunker (stacking with BL). Only because one gets nerfed, it does not mean the other one is OP. There's a difference between IA and Gamma Bot: effect. Whilst Gamma has 2 attacks, one blockable and one deflectable, they have no effect or whatsoever. On the other hand, IA has one blockable attack and one deflectable that raises its damage per turn and is classified to be an effect thus useable ONCE per battle.

It's hilarious. One gets nerf, other one is OP. No. Get over it and deal with the IA nerf. ALL the Bots were rebalanced once already and only one that needed more changes was IA. Why wasn't Gamma Bot nerfed prior to any of the IA nerfs? Oh wait, it wasn't OP. Now that IA isn't spammable, Gamma Bot became OP? No. That's not even a balance issue.

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Post #: 5

3/23/2013 8:15:44

Lycan.
Member

They should have made IA's damage from 85% to 130% nothing more i dont even know why they put the warm up which destroys strategy because strategy = you can use it in an effective way or a useless way. because the special is only useable once everyone wants Gamma to get nerfed, instead they should remove the once per battle usage as drianx said.

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Post #: 6

3/23/2013 8:16:16

Silver Sky Magician
Member

^

You have got to be kidding me.

The same comment for the Gamma Bot nerf as well. Gamma Bot's 'special' merely switches its attack type from physical to energy. It doesn't actually have a special effect, unlike every other bot out there. There's no reason why it should be nerfed any more than the yetis should be nerfed.

Post #: 7

3/23/2013 8:25:13

King FrostLich
Member

So IA got nerfed, you want Gamma nerf? Oh come on, the only reason why Gamma Bot didn't deserve any nerfs long ago was because both its attacks were blockable at that time(laser is the only thing that's deflectable) and it was the 2nd robot featured on this game after Assault Bot. Also, Gamma Bot is already an ULTRA RARE in the game and cannot be sold anymore so it's considered a default bot to any users who have it. I may own this bot but honestly, the only thing that's overpowered like what you said is because players can use it as a "free" unblockable just like a sidearm or auxiliary. Unlike Infernal Android, its damage never scales and it shouldn't deserve a nerf perhaps that's how you define it as "overpowered"?

quote:

All weapons/robots are meant to be equal on a certain way, just because it has costed a promo is no reason to let it stay OP forever.

The weapons part is slightly true since every weapon in the game is already the same except for the looks but the robots shouldn't be. If every robot is to be equal, then should Gamma Bot be given Thorns as Bio Borg has or Assault Bot given chomp instead?(it has no mouth though) Robot equality will definitely defeat its purpose of even existing in the game when its skills will be the same or slightly similar to one another.

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Post #: 8

3/23/2013 9:04:25

Sageofpeace
Member

well i sold mine long time ago

DOWN WITH GAMMA BOT

with most bring IQUALITY TO EPICDUEL

Post #: 9

3/23/2013 9:07:27

Ranloth
Banned

Only because you sold it and won't have a use outta it, that doesn't mean nerf is justified in any way. Neither you state any reason apart from the fact you sold it hence nerf should be given (because it won't affect you).

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Post #: 10

3/23/2013 10:11:58

Mother1
Member

Seriously not supported. Plus if you think about it if the gamma bot is OP then so are the omega and golden yetis. why because they do more damage then the gamma bot. If all bots were meant to be equal then they would have

1 the same attack meaning all bots would get their damage either 12-15
2 they will be given the ability to use all other robot cores

Just because the Infernal android got the nerf it had coming for the longest there is no need to call for a nerf to something that is balanced and doesn't do over 100% damage. Please come up with a truly valid reason why this bot needs a nerf.

Epic	Post #: 11

3/23/2013 10:42:32

SouL Prisoner
Member

seriously not supported.

Now your asking for gamma, later ask for Yeti, or maybe not, coz you have yeti why would you ask nerf for it ...

Gamma bot is already weaker then yeti, but you specially ask for only gamma, why??

AQW

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Post #: 12

3/23/2013 11:09:48

Blitzex/Sr. Zeph
Banned

@trans
Gamma has always been OP.
People didnt complain about it since there was something way worse then it, called Infernal Android.
And when one thing gets nerfed can mean something else becomes OP, that statement of yours is the worst thing if have heard from you in ever.

And again, the nerf to IA was more then deserved, i have never said it wasnt OP.
Yes i got it, so do everyone else here, does it mean i use it? Nope, so stop saying i only do this to justify the IA nerf.

I have always found this bot OP, but since IA was even worse, you didnt heard me complaining.

And for the people who say that the yetis are better, you know as good as me that that isnt true in the least.
Its special only deals 85% and can only be used once, where gamma has a repeatable 100% damage special.
Also has no penaltys and doesnt depend on the opponent, where every single other bot has or does.

Try to clear that.

Epic	Post #: 13

3/23/2013 11:11:48

ansh0
Member

Let me compare them:

Gamma Bot

Damage-14
Normal/Special- Physical damage/Energy damage
Cooldown-3 turns
Warm-up-None
Rarity Points-Alot

Infernal Android

Damage-12
Normal/Special- Physical/Energy special(deals more damage after 4 turns, less damage before 3 turns)

Special useable only ONCE
Cooldown-3
Warm-up-3

Rarity-None

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3/23/2013 11:13:12

Ranloth
Banned

So if Gamma was always OP and so was IA, why weren't both dealt with? Because IA hindered the OPness of Gamma? I thought balance was universal, not depending on another item.

Worst thing you've heard from me? Keep your flamatory opinion out of here since it's irrelevant. Disagreeing with you doesn't make my points invalid. It's called "Supported" or "Not supported" for whatever reason we have. Only because I don't agree then that doesn't make me wrong nor you right.

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Post #: 15

3/23/2013 11:36:59

Lycan.
Member

Not supported.

quote:

Infernal Android Damage-12 Normal/Special- Physical/Energy special(deals more damage after 4 turns, less damage before 3 turns) Special useable only ONCE Cooldown-3 Warm-up-3 Rarity-None

They could remove the warmup, it is completely unnecessary also what does rarity have to do with balance? Gamma bot has been in EpicDuel for over 2 years and if it was acctually that OP it would have been dealt with a very long time ago but it wasn't dealth with because it wasn't OP.
The only time Gamma bot was OP was when the attack or special could be useable right after the attack, but that was fixed.
There was a lot of complaint on forums back then when that nerf happened but it was for the sake of balance.
IA wasn't even part of epicduel back then, no one complained but when IA came, got nerfed everyone who has IA starts complaining because it isn't better than Gamma bot anymore.

Epic	Post #: 16

3/23/2013 11:58:44

Midnightsoul
Member

No please. Omega Yetis have more potential damage than Gamma Bot.
Gamma Bot is like a very basic bot. It's just a nice physical and energy attack. Noooothing else...

AQW

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Post #: 17

3/23/2013 12:03:52

Mother1
Member

@ Zeph

Ok I will bite. What are the other bots functions? Answer they are effect bots that are used for effects and not damage unlike the gamma bot and infernal android. So answer me this would it make sense for an effect bot to do 100% damage when you are using it for effect rather then attack? I think not and here is an example of this the most recent nerf to an effect move on TM assimilation. Now I know this wasn't a robot special or anything however the reason Rabble nerfed it was so it would be used for effect rather then damage.

The same could be said of every other robot special other then gamma and infernal android. The unlike the infernal android the Gamma bot's special if you can call it that since it is only an energy version of it's physical attack which has no effect and is meant to do 100 percent damage since unlike the other bots you claimed were weaker or once time use are effect bots. Effect bot =/= attack bot.

Also why do you think the yeti's chomp, the pyro's fly's swarm, and the now recent infernal android's laser were made 1 time use? Because if they weren't they would be abused and you know this. The yeti would be abused and permanently cripple support builds especially mages who use deadly aim, The pyro fly would be used to shut down all moves without fail, and I don't need to explain the infernal android since you know what it did.

The gamma bot unlike the infernal android doesn't have a special that can ignore your defenses when it gets powerful enough. It will always do 100% damage no more no less, and the only way it can ignore defenses is through crit and rage which all attacks can do.

TL DR Gamma bot purpose is to be an attack bot while every other bot are effect bots. Trying to compare an attack bot such as gamma bot the equal to an effect bot such as the yeti's is a no go.

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3/23/2013 12:16:11

Rayman
Banned

Months/Weeks Before IA was released, Gamma Bot was not OP, the only possible op bot was the Azrael Borg, that's all.
This Bot doesn't Need a nerf, it may need a little buff but not a nerf, And I think that IA Is still powerfull.

AQW

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Post #: 19

3/23/2013 15:22:03

Blitzex/Sr. Zeph
Banned

What makes this bot OP is the diversity it has without any kind of penalty/restrictions/downside.
This bot has things that no other item is close to (first IA came close but now its nerfed..).
Which i already stated in my topic post.

Gamma bot was always OP, saying that it wasnt because you didnt heard anyone complaining is not really a statement is it? You didnt heard anyone complaining because there was something worse then this robot.
And before IA, there were probarbly other things that were worse like TLMs with smoke or BMs with berzerker. I dont know because i werent there..If i was then i would have probarbly complained about it.

Like i said before. I dont want every bot to have the same effects, which alot of people here claim i do.
I want them to be equal powerwise, that means that all robotd have its advantages and at the same time having some downsides, however, this isnt the case here with gamma bot. Because it has none.

Ps, if you see bad grammar, sorry about that. Im on my mobile so its hard to see what i type.

Epic	Post #: 20

3/23/2013 15:26:04

Dual Thrusters
Member

I personally think gamma is fine. IA just needs a slight buff

AQW

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Post #: 21

3/23/2013 15:43:49

Mother1
Member

@ zeph

Unlike the infernal android the gamma bot does not have an effect just 2 forms of attack. Also unlike the infernal android the Gamma bot second attack is no different then a normal aux with the exception that it is powered by tech instead of support. You might as well be nerfing all aux's because we can use them every 3 turns without consequence. Aux's do 100% damage like the gamma bot's laser, and they can be deflected like the laser.

The infernal android on the other hand has the power to gain power over time and at one point can go through defenses which the gamma bot can't without a crit or rage. So it would make sense to nerf the Infernal android the way it was nerfed yet leave the gamma bot as it is since as I stated before the Gamma bot's laser since it only does 100% damage and has no effect is the equal to an aux.

Now if the gamma bot has an extra effect with the laser I could understand. However ever other bot in the game is used for effect while the Gamma bot's soul purpose is to do 100% damage. I don't own a gamma bot, however you wanting to unfairly nerf this bot when you don't even have a valid reason isn't right either.

I could understand if the bot effect was OP and destroying the masses or even if the damage was too high even for the highest of defense builds. However your reason for wanting this nerf isn't even about balance it is about you want all bots to be the same when the Gamma bot isn't even the same as the others since it has not effect.

Effect bot =/= attack bot.

< Message edited by Mother1 -- 3/23/2013 15:49:10 >

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3/23/2013 15:48:30

Blitzex/Sr. Zeph
Banned

Except that an aux is restricted to only 1 kind of dmg.

Comparing gamma woth IA before ths nerf is just odd...
The nerf to IA was deserved, never disagreed with that.
But now IA is no where near gamma. Which makes Gamma one of a kind, other words =/= Overpowered.

And IA doesnt go through defences...where the heck did you get that from?

Epic	Post #: 23

3/23/2013 15:52:03

Mother1
Member

@ zeph

when you do more then 100% damage you are going through defenses. Normal damage is 100% anything higher ignores part of your defense.

Also the special of the gamma bot is one type of damage as well since when could you turn the laser into physical damage?

Also it has been said many time before but Gamma bot =/= infernal android.

Epic	Post #: 24

3/23/2013 16:33:34

Blitzex/Sr. Zeph
Banned

You are comparing gamma with an aux.
Aux has only one kind of dmg, while gamma has 2 (normal att and special).

And if youre comparing gammas special with an aux. Then you basically proof me that gamma is OP, because if you need an aux to compensate with the special, then you also nieed to compensate something for its normal attack..

And its not going through defences, its making y our dmg higher

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