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4/6/2013 10:11:58   
Elloisoul
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For TM- make Field Medic back to 3 turns only
For BH-Return diamond blades
For TLM-Return Smokescreen
For Merc-Return AS to ignoring 10% Def and bunker busters former stats make hybrid armor 13 armor and changable or give 7 def and 6 resistance
For CS return CS to what it what it was before
For BM return everything to strength improve.


This way if everything is OP its all balance instead of having all our attacks weaken because of nerfs nerfs nerfs and nerfs lets just make everything stronger <_< cuz if we all just keep getting nerf nerf and nerf it will be like Focus build or die >_>

< Message edited by Elloisoul -- 4/6/2013 23:36:33 >
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4/6/2013 10:13:13   
Silver Sky Magician
Member


 There's already a thread for this. It's this one: http://forums2.battleon.com/f/tm.asp?m=21153914&mpage=1&key=
Post #: 2
4/6/2013 10:17:56   
Elloisoul
Member

but im serious about this all ive been seeing are nerfs nerfs and nerfs and all the ups ive been seeing are near useless because with all these nerfs its all boring and turning everyone to focus build if its gonna be Focus build or die id rather have the Support abuse and Strength abuse back as well any other abuse because atleast its still fun back then >_>
Post #: 3
4/6/2013 10:30:20   
ansh0
Member

How about having skills work differently for each class?

Maybe reduce FM cool down to 3 for mages.

Similar ideas for other classes....

You catch my drift.
Epic  Post #: 4
4/6/2013 10:33:39   
Elloisoul
Member

@ansh
id rather have a game with all classes abusing a certain stat or skills than having all people going 5 focus and relying the battle on some Bot that works only once or a some small animal to do big damages as well as some Bunny it makes me feel like im playing pokemon than my character is the one doing the dueling

and as well as that if were all abusing something tis like who will go down first strength or support abuse , will the one that relies on damage kill the one that relies on Heal looping or will the looper outloop the abuser of strength , makes the game more fun or rather will a person that relies on their robot to do big damages wipe the floor with the state abuser or will it be the other way around or will some one be able to make a build that is both stat abusing and 5 focus that will defeat all kinds of foe and start a new age of hybrid builds that is Strong with everything all the possibilties rather than having everyone 5 focus

< Message edited by Elloisoul -- 4/6/2013 10:36:36 >
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4/6/2013 14:25:22   
STRUT MY MUTT
Member

200 percent Supported.

Post #: 6
4/6/2013 14:28:45   
Mother1
Member

@ elloisoul

you =/= entire ED community. Last I checked when it was like this people complained about it, and that was what lead to this sea of nerfs. Whenever someone finds something their build can't beat they want it weakened. But at the same time though have all builds OP will make matches extremely short and kill off certain builds that can work due to all of the quick kill builds.
Epic  Post #: 7
4/6/2013 15:46:21   
STRUT MY MUTT
Member

^it wouldn't be such a quick kill it we all started out with about 200 health points....and wow would that be fun.
Post #: 8
4/6/2013 16:58:04   
Midnightsoul
Member

The CH part, I don't get, but returning the old static charge would be good for making it "OP".
DF AQW Epic  Post #: 9
4/6/2013 17:59:24   
goldslayer1
Member

i had more fun back in beta and gamma than i do today.
every class had their own good builds.

tech mage had support and heal loop
BH had focus and str.
merc had Str and support.
AQW Epic  Post #: 10
4/10/2013 0:04:59   
Dual Thrusters
Member

Very nice idea. If every class is OP then everything is balanced ^_^

Plus there will be more build diversity
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 11
4/10/2013 0:08:00   
  Exploding Penguin
Moderator


 I would most definitely appreciate BM with zerker instead, with buffed fireball, CH with extremely strong static but no plasma armor, TLM/Merc with the original hybrid armor, etc...

Lots of changes have been made to skills though, such as an assim buff (which BM used to have), zerker was nerfed (BM used to have this), etc... There would still need to be more balance implemented afterwards to rebalance this. But I'd definitely like to revisit the old days :P
Epic  Post #: 12
4/10/2013 0:53:12   
goldslayer1
Member

pitting the best builds of each class against each other.
i like it.

although if ur gonna do that, make field medic run on support.

so tanks cant use it effectively without support.
AQW Epic  Post #: 13
4/10/2013 9:03:16   
STRUT MY MUTT
Member

by exploding penguin
quote:

Lots of changes have been made to skills though


Yes lots. Nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf.
They nerfed the fun and excitement out of the game.

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You will never get agreement on game balance no matter how much you nerf.

Bring back the fun.




Post #: 14
4/10/2013 9:30:42   
Mother1
Member

@ strut

And why do you think they nerfed so much? Because people complained about stuff being OP because they either didn't want to change their build or wanted their build to be able to beat all of them to the point where the staff just nerfed to please the players. I can also focus being destroy if every other build became OP again as well. So I am guessing one build would have to go for the health of the others.
Epic  Post #: 15
4/10/2013 9:50:30   
Guest0000
Member

Well sound a good idea. Return all the classes OP builds and capacities. To make every class strong. Making the build of each unique class different from another. This is better than having most of the players go on 5 focus build. I think I'll support ;)
AQW Epic  Post #: 16
4/10/2013 9:54:05   
goldslayer1
Member

@mother1
that wouldn't be the case if all builds were returned to their strength.

remember in gamma, only 1 robot attack went into cooldown when u used it, u could use the other one after.

and it was 7x focus damage. (so 35 damage at 5 focus +5 damage on all attacks)

focus today is nothing compared to prime focus of gamma.
AQW Epic  Post #: 17
4/10/2013 9:58:19   
STRUT MY MUTT
Member

@mother

Yes I realize there are a lot of complainers. Half the players are good at the game and understand builds. They can adapt to the times and adjust their builds as necessary. The other half don't have a clue. They think that they should be able to get lots of wins with just any half baked mediocre build. some people simply don't understand how the game works. But why take the time to learn, when it's so easy to come to the forums and get everything nerfed.



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Post #: 18
4/10/2013 10:02:32   
goldslayer1
Member

@strutt
or just copy the build from the next guy.
AQW Epic  Post #: 19
4/12/2013 15:32:51   
Elloisoul
Member

@other In the past the reason people complain about that was the Non-Var Vs Var stats the var had so much big advantage that Non-Var coudnt get more diversity than except abuse support or loop heal etc or focus builds now i believe if Var And Non-Var Is Equal if we return everything to back the way it all was Everything being OP one would create more diversity of OP and if your gonna say there would a build that would be in Top of the food chain then Wait because like you say a lot of people say people are complaining because they cant beat this X build then Wait for a person to make a build to counter it and its this Y build that beaten X build is now Top im sure some one will make a Z build to beat that making it like strategy game because all i See now are Focus Builds i barely see anyone with Focus below 3 only 4-5 now

< Message edited by Elloisoul -- 4/12/2013 15:33:08 >
Post #: 20
4/12/2013 16:27:44   
Mother1
Member

@ elloisoul

Really? They why was it when omega started that people still complained about strength and then later on support when there was no varium advantage after that?
Epic  Post #: 21
4/12/2013 17:00:51   
Elloisoul
Member

@mother1 people complained about strength/support because we had too Low HP i believe if we return to the ORIGINAL stats training we would had more diversity because of more hp +mp because in Delta people would go High HP with MAX stat upgrade thus making it hard for now vars to compete as well as the Var item gaved MORE Stats bonuses than non vars now with our stats all being equal on our stat allocation except if your using a sword you get a +1 everything is all EQUAL no one having more stats than the other therefore no one is OP cuz we have EQUAL with a Higher HP raise and returning its old HP train +2/3 then im sure people would be more creative because whats the point of being creative if our HP is so Low this Build plan requires you to last long.
Post #: 22
4/12/2013 18:57:26   
Midnightsoul
Member

Guys, even though what STRUTT is saying may sound cliche, I can not emphasize enough of how true it actually it is.

I agree on making every class really strong. Supported.
DF AQW Epic  Post #: 23
4/12/2013 19:01:29   
Mother1
Member

@ midnightsoul

And buffing all the classes to the point where duels are 2-3 turns long is fun? Because that is what is going happen with duels if everything is made OP again. Luck will play an even bigger factor then it does now as well.
Epic  Post #: 24
4/12/2013 19:29:28   
Midnightsoul
Member

@mother1

Um...buffing classes defensively is possible too.
DF AQW Epic  Post #: 25
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