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4/27/2013 12:44:20   
  Exploding Penguin
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 To me, frost shards seems really overpowered. It's pretty much an unblockable energy damage version of frostbite, except it can be bought on any primary with any kind of currency at any time. Before, frostbite was already a pretty strong core because of its ability to deal normal strike damage and reduce a fairly decent amount of energy.

In order to nerf frost shards a little, I propose that it takes away 3 EP per turn for 3 turns instead of 5. Anyone's thoughts on this?
Epic  Post #: 1
4/27/2013 12:44:52   
I Underlord I
Member

I support this.

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AQ  Post #: 2
4/27/2013 13:15:20   
ValkyrieKnight
Member

I thought the same thing, really silly I burnt 7k on meteor (phy) only to see Frost Shard, this only begs for the inclusion of swappable Add ons.
AQW Epic  Post #: 3
4/27/2013 14:36:57   
Xendran
Member

Give frost shards 5% EP drain per turn for 3 turns, ability damage is unblockable
Give Frostbite 9% EP drain per turn for 3 turns, strike damage is blockable
AQ DF Epic  Post #: 4
4/27/2013 14:37:43   
King Helios
Member

^ 5% of total EP? Or amount currently possessed?
AQ MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 5
4/27/2013 14:39:42   
Xendran
Member

Total. The numbers end up at 5 and 3 with base EP at level 35 (Which is what most things seem to be balanced around), but become slightly more effective against people with larger pools. This also helps it scale as the level cap rises, because people will naturally have more energy on average as it does.
It also prevents it from being too powerful at low levels, where max energy pools are lower.

Every energy drainer in the game scales in some way to your power, this one not doing so causes it to be OP at low levels, balanced at level 35, and UP at anything above when the level cap rises.

< Message edited by Xendran -- 4/27/2013 14:40:45 >
AQ DF Epic  Post #: 6
4/27/2013 14:47:31   
King Helios
Member

I had an idea.

Make it more effective the longer the battle lasts. EX:

Frostbite:
3 first turn
4 second
5 third
6 fourth
7 fifth
Taking a total of 25 EP
Strike damage block-able; effect not.

Frost Shards:
2 first turn
3 second
4 third
5 fourth
7 fifth
Taking a total of 21 EP
Damage delectable; effect not.
AQ MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 7
4/27/2013 15:06:39   
Xendran
Member

You realize that doing that is damaging to the game as a whole, right? It just encourages even more builds that end the battle as soon as possible, which is one of the most damaging things in this game currently.

The two worst things in this game are:
Encouraging short battles
Putting a pseudo-cap on battle length (IA special)

< Message edited by Xendran -- 4/27/2013 15:07:56 >
AQ DF Epic  Post #: 8
4/27/2013 15:08:20   
King Helios
Member

Ahh, didn't think of that.

It'd work good for lower levels, but I guess it wouldn't work. Thanks ^

< Message edited by King Helios -- 4/27/2013 15:09:03 >
AQ MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 9
4/27/2013 15:11:10   
Frostblitz
Member

I dont think its overpowered since it is also deflectable, but I would suggest the base damage of frost shards to be 85% primary wep damage
Epic  Post #: 10
4/27/2013 15:18:26   
Xendran
Member

@Frostblitz: That still doesn't help the issue that this core is OP at low levels, and will become useless as the level cap rises.
AQ DF Epic  Post #: 11
4/27/2013 15:26:17   
Frostblitz
Member

Sorry. I meant 85% of what the damage your primary can do. Not just the primary damage.
Epic  Post #: 12
4/27/2013 15:34:20   
liy010
Member

quote:

Frost Shards (Primary active) - Fires a barrage of icicles, dealing energy damage and draining your enemy's energy for several turns.


Yes, this is total BS.
It basically just took everything out of Frostbite, by being better because it's unblockable.

Now lets make Credit Cores that are better versions of all the Promo items out there.

How about Azreal's Will with 100% damage? Seems legit.
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 13
4/27/2013 15:49:02   
Xendran
Member

@Frostblitz
That's not what i'm talking about at all. Read the posts above you about the energy draining.
AQ DF Epic  Post #: 14
4/27/2013 22:03:00   
Tushar
Member

I support it... frost bite is very rare and expensive core...

because you know you had to buy frost destroyer...

seeing this frost shard core is irritating...
Epic  Post #: 15
4/27/2013 22:55:50   
edwardvulture
Member

I agree field medic should be able to fix it, the combo with the poison from botanical bot is way too oped.
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 16
4/27/2013 23:58:21   
Xendran
Member

quote:

I agree field medic should be able to fix it, the combo with the poison from botanical bot is way too oped.


Anybody doing high damage with poison has high focus, in which case it means they aren't using their superpowered regular bot attack. Balances itself out.
Anybody with low focus doing this is doing less poison damage, and generally is going to be weaker in general because of how much better 5 focus builds are than everything else.
AQ DF Epic  Post #: 17
4/28/2013 0:15:43   
edwardvulture
Member

Not when they emp leaving me unable to heal
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 18
4/28/2013 0:20:59   
Xendran
Member

That's an issue with EMP's disgustingly high energy drain, not the botanical bot.
AQ DF Epic  Post #: 19
4/28/2013 2:02:34   
edwardvulture
Member

Botanical is also extremely effective when your heal's on cool down.
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 20
4/28/2013 2:52:24   
Synner
Member

If frost shard is overpowered frostbite is overpowered as well.
Post #: 21
4/28/2013 3:02:38   
Xendran
Member

quote:

Botanical is also extremely effective when your heal's on cool down.


That's the point...? You have to use it at the proper times.
AQ DF Epic  Post #: 22
4/28/2013 3:21:28   
Scyze
Member

It's the same as Frostbite only thing with it is that it's unblockable but deflectable. :/
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 23
4/28/2013 5:53:36   
Xendran
Member

Frostbite is also reduced in usefulness due to it being on a weapon with a locked core that literally does nothing in pvp.
AQ DF Epic  Post #: 24
4/28/2013 7:24:39   
8x
Member

FrostBite has 1 turn of warmup and Frost Shards don't. Devs should also do something about that.
Epic  Post #: 25
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