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5/11/2013 16:54:07   
kosmo
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 this bot is rlly good and it is quite balanced tanks to the rage issues tht it has, so it doesnt gain rage when u use the special and the base dmg cant be more than 3 (unless u crit which is 12), this is why the bot base dmg is 3 even on rage;
so i was thinking why this bot should hit 3 on rage wasting all ur dmg, why it couldnt work like SS, Mass or SC, that if used on rage they dont get affected from it (like botanical hazzard) but still they dont waste it, giving u the possibility 2 rage the turn after.
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5/11/2013 17:37:17   
Ranloth
Banned


 Rage is to break through tanks, not get additional damage boost. If your enemy has 0-0 defence, Rage will do nothing. Criticals are the ones that increase the damage (by +9) hence why it does 12 on Crit.

It's really fine as it is. Poison is repeatable and it's to prevent high damage + DoT being applied on top of it. Just avoid using it on Rage, there are better options.
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5/12/2013 6:42:24   
kosmo
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 yes i know all of tht...
i think its rlly right tht this bot doesnt stuck whit rage but i dont uderstend why it has 2 waste it considering tht u will hit the same 3.
this is like the IA worm up, something absolutly usless, its an issue that takes away the strategic use of theese bots.
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5/12/2013 6:55:36   
Ranloth
Banned


 Why would it stack with Rage in the first place? If you want it to do more damage on Rage, give Rage bonus damage that Critical gives;
quote:

Critical Strikes now ignore 45% of defenses and minimum damage increase was lowered from (7+Level/5) to (4+Level/7).


Rage does NOT give you bonus damage. Rage is used to ignore defences only, so with 0-0, you will gain nothing. It doesn't stack to prevent it from being too strong. Poison is already loopable.
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5/12/2013 7:24:16   
kosmo
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 ok, loosks like u dont understand, i dont wont the bot to hit more than 3 on rage , i just wont to preserve rage when i use the bot and my rage bar is full.
i will do an example to be more clear (english is not my language).
when ur rage bar is full and u use a move like massacre , supercharge or surgical strike they will not obiusly stuck whit rage , but ur rage bar will stay full even atrer using these skills, the bot its meant to do no dmg (3) so why it shuld be usable on rage?, this is an issue, like agility was, giving a disvantage that looks more like a bug its not a balance solution.

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5/12/2013 7:33:33   
Ranloth
Banned


 Yes. I know that. Simple way is to NOT use the Bot on Rage. I've said that in my first post already. No, it's not a bug since Ultimates are NOT allowed to be used on Rage whilst everything else is. Simply put, the Bot is fixed to do 3 damage therefore Rage will not add anything but is still useable at Rage. Criticals are exceptions. You are still attacking the enemy hence why Rage is used. Ultimates are exceptions due to balance; they already deal high damage and giving them 45% defence ignore on top of it would be.. <.<

Locking it away on Rage because you don't wanna waste it is pointless. Don't use it on Rage instead, simple as. Some people use it on Rage even as last resort, not necessarily to do high damage but to apply Poison.

quote:

this is an issue, like agility was, giving a disvantage that looks more like a bug its not a balance solution

REALLY? Agility rendered high HP builds useless hence why players usually had up to 110HP back then. This.. Only doesn't give bonus damage on Rage because it's fixed to 3 damage and uses Rage. One way to go around it is not to use it on Rage. With Agility, there was no way around. Quite poor comparison of both.. :|
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5/12/2013 8:09:58   
kosmo
Member
 

 ok lets say obius thing tht doesnt make a point.
agility was a bad way 2 balance the wrong hp progression, it was needed 2 balance hp but tht was an orrible way to do it.
i know u disappoint my idea, but i have my reasons and u have urs, i was just sayng why in my opinion the bot shouldnt be usable on rage, or it just shouldnt waste it
i didnt say its a bug, i just say it looks like a bug , i dont agree whit a few balance adjustment that are needed, but they way they are now they look just ugly 2 me,
they should find a more elegant way 2 balance things.
it can look stupid 2 u, but this is my opinion , im not here 2 disappoint u, im here to say my opinion , i dont understend why evry single post i do has to end up in a long discussion whit u....

< Message edited by kosmo -- 5/12/2013 8:10:55 >
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