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5/11/2013 14:10:29   
edwardvulture
Member

It should give some energy back everytime you use rage
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 1
5/11/2013 14:16:22   
toopygoo
Member

supported. not a huge boost, and not extremely predictable either, but the whimsiness makes it applicable.
maybe 15-30%?
AQW Epic  Post #: 2
5/11/2013 14:18:23   
Ranloth
Banned


 Or you could lower the Rage regen for the enemy by exactly the same amount. So at Lvl 10, you'd get rage 25% faster and your enemy would get it 25% slower. In 2v2, it'd be split between the two enemies (for 12.5%), unless there's 2 Mercs with Adrenaline then '=(Total/2)', i.e. 25% and 15% = 40%, divide by 2 and you get 20% thus enemy gets their rage slower by 20%.
AQ Epic  Post #: 3
5/11/2013 14:23:45   
Necromantres
Member

both good ideeas but i'd go with Trans.

What if :
in PVP you get trans ideea
in PVE you get edwardvulture ideea ?
Epic  Post #: 4
5/11/2013 14:27:35   
Ranloth
Banned


 Oh right, there's PvE. But would it matter? NPCs have Rage disabled for sake of not being too difficult, so it'd render the ability of lowering Rage useless against NPCs. But game is PvP in the first place so you'd be at a drawback only against NPCs. Quite doubt that it's possible to code skills to have different effects in PvP and PvE alike.

I do understand where you're coming from though, it's a valid point that I haven't thought of when I suggested this ability (which dates moooooooonths back XD).
AQ Epic  Post #: 5
5/11/2013 14:56:46   
toopygoo
Member

yeah she said your idea in pvp, and against npc's, you just regain energy on rage instead.
i agree with both of those ideas.
AQW Epic  Post #: 6
5/11/2013 15:30:29   
Necromantres
Member

well, in pvp gaining energy when you have rage may get complains from other players that it would be OP (thinking about an artilery strike rage)so i think spliting the 2 ideeas in PVP and PVE, maybe the first skill of its kind that affect the NPC different?

And have anyone of you tought about numbers? you get energy when rage but on what depends? rage itself or rage damage?
Epic  Post #: 7
5/11/2013 15:56:22   
edwardvulture
Member

I made this suggestion cause its really hard for the merc class in general to beat NPC's, especially if you don't have cores.
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 8
5/11/2013 16:18:18   
Necromantres
Member

quote:

I made this suggestion cause its really hard for the merc class in general to beat NPC's, especially if you don't have cores.
i feel this is because of Davarill?
Epic  Post #: 9
5/11/2013 16:20:56   
Lord GaGa
Member

I like trans's idea. Regardless of it or not adrenaline needs a buff, supported.
AQ AQW Epic  Post #: 10
5/11/2013 22:32:40   
King Helios
Member

quote:

I made this suggestion cause its really hard for the merc class in general to beat NPC's, especially if you don't have cores.


When I was a Merc, I killed it 1st try.



Anyways, supported.
AQ MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 11
5/12/2013 3:29:01   
edwardvulture
Member

^ then give me the build
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 12
5/12/2013 3:46:00   
Noobatron x3000
Member

I think adrenaline shouldn't be buffed or nerfed i feel its far to effective for some builds and gos the opposite way for others i think it needs removing.
Post #: 13
5/12/2013 6:47:05   
kosmo
Member
 

 edward.
the best way 2 kill ALL npc its a tanky build whit healing loop and merc can do it pretty well ( u just need to heal 2-3 times )
Epic  Post #: 14
5/12/2013 11:01:51   
edwardvulture
Member

^ ik but its gonna take me a buncha tries
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 15
5/12/2013 11:25:03   
  Exploding Penguin
Moderator


 Unique idea, but I'm not sure if I'd support or not. Adrenaline does have some applications which can help more than passives like shadow arts, but you'd have to know the class well in order to utilize adrenaline this way.
Epic  Post #: 16
5/12/2013 14:38:54   
santonik
Member

Or you could lower the Rage regen for the enemy by exactly the same amount. So at Lvl 10, you'd get rage 25% faster and your enemy would get it 25% slower. In 2v2, it'd be split between the two enemies (for 12.5%), unless there's 2 Mercs with Adrenaline then '=(Total/2)', i.e. 25% and 15% = 40%, divide by 2 and you get 20% thus enemy gets their rage slower by 20%.

I like Trans idea. I support this 100% ^^
Epic  Post #: 17
5/12/2013 20:04:57   
toopygoo
Member

or you could make it an active skill to replace something else, wich a 3 turn cooldown. free of energy cost, and you can steal rage. you drain 25% of enemy's rage, and regain 5% of that into you own, added to the damage you do. the more rage they have, the more they lose, the more you gain.
AQW Epic  Post #: 18
5/12/2013 20:08:07   
Mother1
Member

@ toopygoo

I can see that being abused with max adrenaline, surgical strike, and platinum pride to make an anti rage build against opponents.
Epic  Post #: 19
5/12/2013 20:45:00   
toopygoo
Member

it would replace adrenialine, but yes i can see the anti rage abuse.. which make it worthwhile against support TM and CB etc
AQW Epic  Post #: 20
5/12/2013 20:55:41   
edwardvulture
Member

There should be more skills/cores that affect rage.
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 21
5/12/2013 23:55:54   
  Exploding Penguin
Moderator


 @edwardvulture: Oh god, not a skill core. That would just show how broken the skill core system is, by giving all classes a skill which can reduce rage, and that's available to everyone. It's already bad enough with platinum's pride, and not that many people use that. A class-specific skill that deals damage and remove a small % of rage would be very neat, though.
Epic  Post #: 22
5/13/2013 9:51:37   
STRUT MY MUTT
Member

If you give adrenaline rage reduction, anti rage builds will run rampant. Whether or not it would be overpowered I can't tell you, but I can hear the complaining already.

The energy regain on rage idea only helps support mercs who can rage on three turns. People won't use any other builds than high support/level 10 adrenaline build. And that's a shame because the merc has too many great skills to limit it to one build. I think the Mercenary class would be completely fixed simply by replacing Adrenaline with some other type of energy regain skill. Maybe half to a third of what the TLM can regain.
Post #: 23
5/13/2013 9:58:22   
Ranloth
Banned


 Mercenaries cannot have HP/EP regen unless you take out HA or Intimidate. Classes cannot have 3 of these skills: passive EP or HP regen, debuff and passive Armor. Each class is allowed to have 2 of those, therefore it's impossible unless you take one of them out.
AQ Epic  Post #: 24
5/13/2013 10:44:14   
STRUT MY MUTT
Member

Agreed, one would have to changed.
Post #: 25
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