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7/6/2013 13:43:18   
The Incredible Hulk
Banned

 

Some of us hate the idea on going on twitter & getting the prize code/Time zones which affect ''GMT'' or other time zones from getting it/ When after 30 seconds; the prize code is finished.

I absolutely hate the idea on going on twitter & getting it. As some of you may know; that you'd have already missed the prize codes by a slight 10-30seconds. Which is annoying.
Reasons why it's gone after 30 seconds:
- Alts getting prize codes
- Ctrl+c & ctrl+v (I do it my self also which is the quickest method to copy & paste)


I will suggest a new way instead of going on twitter & going on it. I know some (or most) of you Techno-geek-Twitter fanboys/girls may hate this idea but it's more efficient.

Anyways this is how my way of the prize code will work:
1) The devs remind most on Twitter that prize codes will come today/tomorrow on ED
2) Once most are reminded which day it is on; the devs will remind once more saying that it's going to come on this specific second/minute/hour
3) Once most are informed on what minute(s) it is; on the ED Screen (<<<Link to how it looks like); it will show the prize code & everyone would have to rush to a city guard to get the prize code.
4) Now that red bar stays for a good 5-10 minutes (or whenever the prize code has expired)

This is much efficient since you cannot ctrl+c/v like what you did on twitter which will slow down the process.
And the people who didn't go on twitter may have a chance to get it since the red bar will show.

Problems
Much lag to type when there is too many people around in one world.

Solutions
You see the Upgrade shop, you could add another button which would say ''Prize codes'' (below the experience boost button since there is alot of space there) ; where we can click it and it will bring up the page on where we have to write the code to claim our prize.

Another suggestion

If you could; is there a possibility that you when you write to claim the prize; do have the option not to paste it? I've seen websites where if you try copy & paste email addresses; it wouldn't work but you'd had to type it up again instead of pasting.

< Message edited by The Incredible Hulk -- 7/6/2013 13:47:20 >
Epic  Post #: 1
7/6/2013 13:51:38   
lampur1
Member

i really like that i am not the only sad one but i like the idea (if people wont like maby just butting more weps in number so that the prize codes would run out slower
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 2
7/6/2013 13:59:38   
Ranloth
Banned


Reposting what I've said in Thursday's DNs. (albeit altered)


quote:

To allow as many players to collect these items as possible, alignments are encouraged to hold regions for as long as possible since the War Shops will restock automatically over time.

I've got this! Why not use this system for other in-game restocks to avoid delays? Such as "We will restock once the release is live! But the release is delayed...", so it's much more convinient for people who are waiting and can't wait any longer - blame timezones and such.

Ideally, codes could be done in a similar way. Instead of posting them on Twitter, you could notify people through it that you can buy the code from any City Guard for 0 Credits. Once out of stock, code would be unavailable but you could redeem it at ANY time. So they could release the same code over and over with the same item and you could only redeem it once and code is yours forever. If the item is different + the code too, they'd release a different code (with a description matching the item).

Not only that, it'd make it fair for everyone. There's no lurking on Twitter or FB anymore, you'd only get a notification from Devs that such code will be given + notification in-game in form of mail (prior to the release) and then notification bar once it's out. Since etime would be given beforehand and it would be on time (automatically), players could take advantage of it.

Tl;dr:

"Code is out!" -> buy from City Guard for 0 Credits (Limited Quantity) -> redeem at any time (restricted to one code per person; same code but restocked) -> done.

Same code restocked? You've redeemed before? No, you cannot redeem it again. Different code? Same item? Yes, you can redeem it again.
AQ Epic  Post #: 3
7/6/2013 17:02:22   
lampur1
Member

O.o the final F1N4LM00S3 was gone in 1 secend WTF so unfair
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 4
7/6/2013 17:06:52   
Mother1
Member

@ LAMPUR1

only 150 were given a pop, and since there was plenty of warning every tom dick and harry was hovered around the city guards waiting. For the second time in my life I didn't get any of the prize codes either but I am not mad.
Epic  Post #: 5
7/6/2013 17:09:52   
Trae
Member

Got it by camping twitter like a boss
And I didn't even get it on my alt
Epic  Post #: 6
7/6/2013 17:18:07   
The Incredible Hulk
Banned

 

quote:

only 150 were given a pop, and since there was plenty of warning every tom dick and harry was hovered around the city guards waiting. For the second time in my life I didn't get any of the prize codes either but I am not mad.


You're a humble elderly players. We are much younger then you and are not mature enough. That's why I guess your name is mother1 so you'd respect one & each other.
Epic  Post #: 7
7/6/2013 17:39:28   
lampur1
Member

actuly im not mad just sad i mean this is my 3rd time when not getting
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 8
7/6/2013 17:45:21   
TheLightHorseman
Member

They should give about 3-5 minutes not 0.5 seconds.
Post #: 9
7/6/2013 17:56:03   
Mother1
Member

@ thelighthorseman

They are limited quantity items note limited time items. They only want to give away a set amount of these items. The only reason it expired so quickly was because they game warning they were going to do this, and each prize code only had 150 of the item.

So the math is this:

High warning + low quantity = item goes extremely quick.
Epic  Post #: 10
7/6/2013 18:31:32   
killerman164
Member
 

^^
Agreed

It went by just as fast as it can. I'm one of the ones that got it, and heck it did fill out fast. Probably 10 seconds, I'd say
Post #: 11
7/7/2013 4:11:47   
The Incredible Hulk
Banned

 

quote:

High warning + low quantity = item goes extremely quick.


Well my suggestion will slow down the process. Isn't it?
Epic  Post #: 12
7/7/2013 5:39:54   
Lycus
Legendary AdventureGuide!


First things first, the majority of prize codes are given multiple times, possibly by different Devs, throughout one or two days, giving access to as many timezones as possible. I know I was out for pretty much all of yesterday and I live in the UK, however I still was on when one or two of the codes were posted by NightWraith, then there were others posted hours before, and honestly, I think that the majority of people regardless of geographical location will have had at least one during the hours they likely were not asleep. Yes there are problems with people being at school or work etc. during some times, but it is near impossible to cater for everyone around that! The fact the majority of codes are spread on weekends tries to dodge this issue as much as possible. NightWraith did give warning before a few of the codes saying he'd be giving another out in 'x' amount of time, examples here:
quote:

Code coming at 5pm...that's about 1 hour from now

quote:

How about I release the next code at noon (about 36 minutes)?


The seven codes yesterday were released separately with about an hour+ in between over a ten hour period, with 150 uses for each - giving almost everyone a chance. If that was a ten hour period some people had to sleep over, then sadly it cannot be helped this time around, having it in-game would make no difference to that.

I understand the logic behind having it as an in-game feature, with it telling people via announcement, since it would remove the issues of people having to have Twitter open, get the code, copy it, then maybe log in the game, by which time people with slow computers, who are in a battle or are busy are too late to redeem the code.

However the main reason for codes is to give people who follow the staff twitter accounts a bit of a bonus in addition to gaining the latest information, it is a good way to help with the social networking and public relations side of the game since these days these are key. It also means anyone sat watching TV can have their phone next to them, check the staff twitters for codes and find out the time for the next code, or even just see a code and rush on to the game to redeem it, without having to be sat logged into the game. The issue with it being in-game means that people who switch tabs just before it will miss it, people who leave the computer to go loo may miss it and those who do not want to just sit staring at their computer screen on ED draining processing power also miss it. Twitter means that anyone following the Dev's twitters can see it, to what extent people want to take it is up to them, they can even set it so their phone buzzes and they get an email every time a Dev tweets if they so wished.

Admittedly some people will miss the codes, it is inevitable and they likely will not be happy with that, especially if it happens multiple times. There is a bit of luck involved, granted, however it also rewards dedicated players who keep constantly up to date with the twitters and those who are on often. The idea is to promote and add a bonus to the twitter accounts, which benefits both you and us, and we want to add, as said, another bonus to following us so that you get the most out of it. Though it is not possible for everyone to get a code, because we want to make these items rare to an extent and we want to make it much more interesting, it gives you the chance to get a limited item that others would otherwise not be able to receive!
AQ AQW Epic  Post #: 13
7/7/2013 15:35:53   
The Incredible Hulk
Banned

 

quote:

However the main reason for codes is to give people who follow the staff twitter accounts a bit of a bonus in addition to gaining the latest information, it is a good way to help with the social networking and public relations side of the game since these days these are key. It also means anyone sat watching TV can have their phone next to them, check the staff twitters for codes and find out the time for the next code, or even just see a code and rush on to the game to redeem it, without having to be sat logged into the game. The issue with it being in-game means that people who switch tabs just before it will miss it, people who leave the computer to go loo may miss it and those who do not want to just sit staring at their computer screen on ED draining processing power also miss it. Twitter means that anyone following the Dev's twitters can see it, to what extent people want to take it is up to them, they can even set it so their phone buzzes and they get an email every time a Dev tweets if they so wished.

I already explained this:

1) The devs remind most on Twitter that prize codes will come today/tomorrow on ED
2) Once most are reminded which day it is on; the devs will remind once more saying that it's going to come on this specific second/minute/hour

quote:

The seven codes yesterday were released separately with about an hour+ in between over a ten hour period, with 150 uses for each - giving almost everyone a chance. If that was a ten hour period some people had to sleep over, then sadly it cannot be helped this time around, having it in-game would make no difference to that.

Then how comes people got E/P version of the sword Two times? Yes I know because the codes were separate but it's really unfair that people got the sword twice (E version twice & P version twice) & the only person giving out yesterday was NW.




< Message edited by The Incredible Hulk -- 7/7/2013 15:36:57 >
Epic  Post #: 14
7/7/2013 15:38:49   
Ranloth
Banned


Hulk, that's why the code should've been restocked instead of releasing a new one. It'd prevent from people having more than one version of each, including myself. Say if 50 people got 2 duplicates from each version (2 P, 4 E & 1 version of each for themselves -> total of 6), they took away 4 Swords for themselves and 50 people = 200 Swords. Not knowing codes were still P Swords, I've got duplicate or two myself before I managed to get one Energy (which has expired much faster than P).

Codes should be restocked instead of releasing new ones. Prevents duplicates. Alts can still redeem them if you're fast enough (since they are still a separate character) but you can't end up having duplicates.
AQ Epic  Post #: 15
7/7/2013 15:41:17   
The Incredible Hulk
Banned

 

Yes I know it should've been restocked. Lycus said that NW was ''giving almost everyone a chance''. More like it was a lower chance since people got duplicates of the sword.

EDIT:
They don't even give duplicate bikes. I wonder why they give duplicate prize codes.....

< Message edited by The Incredible Hulk -- 7/7/2013 15:42:44 >
Epic  Post #: 16
7/8/2013 3:44:07   
Lycus
Legendary AdventureGuide!


The main difference there is that players complain about lack of real interaction with players, Twitter adds a direct way for the Developers to communicate with players, doing it in-game instantly makes it indirect to an extent. If you look at the way it would work, people on twitter would get a warning, yes, however everyone playing the game at the time would have just as much chance of getting the item as those following the Dev twitter, maybe just without the chance of being next to the City Guard. It instantly makes it non-exclusive and available to everyone. This is fine, however it removes the purpose of the codes being Twitter follower exclusive. Not only this, but if anything, if different prize codes are given out during the day, it is much easier for the same people to get all the items or duplicate items, since they have less work and simply just need to sit next to City Guard waiting for an announcement. The issue is, when you have it in-game the mindset of players will likely change to sitting at the Code Redeem point all-day, once their daily amount of battles is done, ready to instantly put in codes since there will be much higher competition for them. Where as when done over Twitter, people naturally do just get on with life until the codes are given or announced to be given at a certain time.

As for duplicates - the main issue with something such as yesterday is that if the same code is used and just restocked, people can simply copy the code at the start of the day and if NightWraith says 'I will restock the code at 3pm', they can then try at 2:58 or 2:59 and the code could likely be used while NW sets the restocking up and before he has the chance to announce it. It is simple to say 'just do it at exactly 3 and announce at the same time', but it is not that simple, there will always be a gap in time between the restock and announcement, this means that by the time of the announcement, the code could already be sold out. If it is not, anyone who is in a battle or elsewhere would stand no chance since anyone camping at the City Guard will be in instantly. That does not even take into consideration the fact that if large amounts of people begin 'camping' around the City Guard in anticipation for the code, lag arises and creates massive disadvantages for those with slower PC's. Due to this, using different codes each time means that no one can be ready previously with the box open and the code copied and already pasted in the redeem box. It gives everyone the equal chance to grab the code, then use it - if someone manages to get multiple items, off different codes, that to me actually shows that everyone has a fair chance to get in a redeem it. This I say because some people make it out to be 'impossible' to get in and redeem a code since it instantly disappears and it gives no one a real chance, however for two reasons I disagree with this and feel this is exaggerating;
1) If the same people are getting it multiple times, if it is so hard to manage to get these items, how are they managing to do this multiple times?
2) I have actually had a few people comment they managed to one of the items at least on a very slow computer, one or two were even in battle when announced, however were battling in the code room and redeemed as soon as finished.
In my opinion if people are getting that sort of chance for atleast a few of the codes, that shows that everyone who is ready and watching the twitters do have a chance of getting the item. If you are not ready watching Twitter or prepared in-game ready for it - that is not something we can help, it is up to you to prepare yourself for it if you feel it is needed.

Finally, timezone wise, everyone was given a chance. As stated in my previous message with facts given to back up my point, seven codes were released separately over a ten hour period, this gives a large majority of timezones at least one chance to redeem a code. If one person is up for those ten hours, may be due to them being in the same timezone as NightWraith or because they stayed up late then that is up to them, but ten hours is a long period of time and if they want to wait that long for codes, their choice. Yes maybe some people getting multiple is unfair, but this does not take away the fact the codes are given to help people in different time-zones have a chance. Maybe we could look into the possibility of putting a check to see if the person already has the item the codes giving to prevent duplicates, however I am not sure how possible that would be and cannot promise anything. The statement that it is 'giving almost everyone a chance' is a statement about allowing different timezones a chance, which was a complaint about the code previously, which we have made sure to work with. If people are taking advantage of the new, fairer system for their own personal greed and to have multiple weapons, that is their choice and not something we endorse at all, we changed the system to make it fairer for people. Due to this I feel that any anger directed at the Devs about this is slightly unfair since they are listening to feedback about codes, working with it and if there are still chinks that can be worked out, they will try their best to sort them! However if you look at the system of releasing different codes throughout a long period of time to allow different timezones a chance, it should make it a much fairer process for anyone, wherever they are in the world, the only thing that stops that is not the Devs, but the players who decide they will exploit the system so to say. Yes we could have foreseen it, but one step at a time and it is best to test out each section of the system and actually see what happens, now we know the issues that do arise we can look into possibly ironing them out, depending on how possible it is!

EDIT: @Below: See number 2) - faster internet connection, fair enough, but if people with slower internet connections are managing to get it... Speed of computer may be an issue for some codes at certain times, however others it seems more to be about simply being ready for it, which is up to the player to do. Codes are not designed to allow people to see the code 10 minutes after it is sent out, then be able to log in, find the City Guard and still be able to redeem the code (at least these codes were not), since they are made to be rare.

< Message edited by Lycus -- 7/8/2013 6:38:04 >
AQ AQW Epic  Post #: 17
7/8/2013 4:05:39   
Mysterion.
Member

quote:

1) If the same people are getting it multiple times, if it is so hard to manage to get these items, how are they managing to do this multiple times?

Better/Faster Internet connection
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Epic  Post #: 18
7/8/2013 11:14:44   
The Incredible Hulk
Banned

 

quote:

I know I was out for pretty much all of yesterday and I live in the UK

Same here!

quote:

As for duplicates - the main issue with something such as yesterday is that if the same code is used and just restocked, people can simply copy the code at the start of the day and if NightWraith says 'I will restock the code at 3pm', they can then try at 2:58 or 2:59 and the code could likely be used while NW sets the restocking up and before he has the chance to announce it. It is simple to say 'just do it at exactly 3 and announce at the same time', but it is not that simple, there will always be a gap in time between the restock and announcement, this means that by the time of the announcement, the code could already be sold out. If it is not, anyone who is in a battle or elsewhere would stand no chance since anyone camping at the City Guard will be in instantly. That does not even take into consideration the fact that if large amounts of people begin 'camping' around the City Guard in anticipation for the code, lag arises and creates massive disadvantages for those with slower PC's. Due to this, using different codes each time means that no one can be ready previously with the box open and the code copied and already pasted in the redeem box. It gives everyone the equal chance to grab the code, then use it - if someone manages to get multiple items, off different codes, that to me actually shows that everyone has a fair chance to get in a redeem it. This I say because some people make it out to be 'impossible' to get in and redeem a code since it instantly disappears and it gives no one a real chance, however for two reasons I disagree with this and feel this is exaggerating;


Ahh, so basically you are saying that you want people to get duplicates and horde rarity points. Ok then!
Have fun spamming 100 billion codes where people can get duplicates of 100 billion swords with 1000000 billion rarity points.

quote:


I have actually had a few people comment they managed to one of the items at least on a very slow computer, one or two were even in battle when announced, however were battling in the code room and redeemed as soon as finished.
In my opinion if people are getting that sort of chance for atleast a few of the codes, that shows that everyone who is ready and watching the twitters do have a chance of getting the item. If you are not ready watching Twitter or prepared in-game ready for it - that is not something we can help, it is up to you to prepare yourself for it if you feel it is needed.


Sorry Lycus but with no proof; I do not believe. I never believe anyone if they don't show evidence.

quote:

Finally, timezone wise, everyone was given a chance. As stated in my previous message with facts given to back up my point, seven codes were released separately over a ten hour period, this gives a large majority of timezones at least one chance to redeem a code. If one person is up for those ten hours, may be due to them being in the same timezone as NightWraith or because they stayed up late then that is up to them, but ten hours is a long period of time and if they want to wait that long for codes, their choice. Yes maybe some people getting multiple is unfair, but this does not take away the fact the codes are given to help people in different time-zones have a chance. Maybe we could look into the possibility of putting a check to see if the person already has the item the codes giving to prevent duplicates, however I am not sure how possible that would be and cannot promise anything. The statement that it is 'giving almost everyone a chance' is a statement about allowing different timezones a chance, which was a complaint about the code previously, which we have made sure to work with. If people are taking advantage of the new, fairer system for their own personal greed and to have multiple weapons, that is their choice and not something we endorse at all, we changed the system to make it fairer for people. Due to this I feel that any anger directed at the Devs about this is slightly unfair since they are listening to feedback about codes, working with it and if there are still chinks that can be worked out, they will try their best to sort them! However if you look at the system of releasing different codes throughout a long period of time to allow different timezones a chance, it should make it a much fairer process for anyone, wherever they are in the world, the only thing that stops that is not the Devs, but the players who decide they will exploit the system so to say. Yes we could have foreseen it, but one step at a time and it is best to test out each section of the system and actually see what happens, now we know the issues that do arise we can look into possibly ironing them out, depending on how possible it is!


Not complaining about this. That was quite good 2 days ago. Well done NW for doing the nice time zones. It was quite good & consistent.

quote:

1) If the same people are getting it multiple times, if it is so hard to manage to get these items, how are they managing to do this multiple times?

:O, so you do want people to get the item multiple times. No problem....



< Message edited by The Incredible Hulk -- 7/8/2013 16:19:39 >
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