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11/24/2013 23:20:32   
diracco
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Why Titan dont remove Juggernaut this game???

Jugger level 35 cant defeat 2 players level 25.

IMPOSSIBLE!!! I testing 30 Builds!

Impossible WIN after Update!
DF MQ  Post #: 1
11/25/2013 0:06:23   
Noobatron x3000
Member

Impossible or just not a free win .

See the thing is if they make it to easy they just annoy the new players joining the game they have learnt they cant afford to do that people leave or never get to the cap juggernaut was changed for a reason the staff are unlikely to change it again .
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11/25/2013 0:55:12   
Mother1
Member

@ Noobatron

Juggernaut was never balance to begin with. Take a look at Juggernaut for the lower levels. You mentioned it yourself that newer players are complaining due to getting slaughtered by lower level juggernauts. In other words now instead of mid level players being beating like in delta, it is lower mid levels.

Why is this? Because with equal stats or close to equal stats with full gear and cores, the juggernaut is just a free win for the opponents now.
Epic  Post #: 3
11/25/2013 3:19:50   
Remorse
Member

They could just change the outlook of the whole mode.



Similar to how 2v2 has a lower win rate then 1v1.


Perhaps juggernaut mode could be considered even harder to win (from the juggernauts view) and therefore you would expect a lower win rate then 2v2 or close to on average.




What they need to do if they change the mode to fit that description is double the rewards juggernaut mode gives as in double the exp. double the credits etc.

And perhaps even toss in the occasional juggernaut exclusive pvp drops to make it worth for the juggernaut to play is such a hard to win mode.


In 2v2 and 1v1 balance is closer to both sides having an equal chance of winning, however that doesn't necessarily mean what Juggernaut has to be otherwise it will be far to hard to reach that goal at all level. Therefore it is probably better to make it harder for the juggernaut them self to win ( but increase the rewards) rather then how it was before where it was was to hard for the lower level to win discouraging them from 2v2 all together.


Plus we must remember that when you play as the juggernaut you are choosing to do so but the lower levels are not, they could be wanting to do 2v2 so it would be better if on average it was easier for them to win.

And it doesn't necessarily make the game mode unbalanced, it just changes the description into : A hard to win fight against two opponents with high rewards if you do win.


Because the sides aren't even in numbers it would be almost impossible to make it even chance to win for both sides at all levels therefore making it slightly harder would be the best way to go.






Epic  Post #: 4
11/25/2013 3:35:50   
Jekyll
Member

Yes, maybe Juggernaut isn't supposed to have a win rate of 90%+ like in Delta.

Maybe things can be left as they are right now, but just for Juggernaut mode only, hide the losses and show only the wins. I'm sure that if losses are recorded but not shown, people won't mind having a win rate of less than 50%.

As Remorse said, a low win rate in Juggernaut could be normal. Just add those incentives to play, and remove the disincentives like losses being shown.
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 5
11/25/2013 4:01:13   
Remorse
Member

^ Win rate can still be a insensitive to play the mode,

Just what you are comparing to would be changed.


It may be that the average is under 50% which doesn't mean people that play jugg are bad it means its just a hard mode.


Similar to how say 70% win rate in 2v2 is good so too is a 50% win rate in jugg possibly.


The point is I don't think they should hide the record because it is still a major incentive to play for some though like how NPCs were removed from 1v1, the win rate of jugg will be the same as in people will consider someone with a high win rate possibly played a lot of the battles when it was easier.



Losing to difficulty shouldn't be an incentive to not play but I can understand losing to balance or over the top luck factors.

< Message edited by Remorse -- 11/25/2013 4:03:40 >
Epic  Post #: 6
11/25/2013 8:46:25   
Mother1
Member

@ remorse

It is harder for the higher levels but at lower levels due to most of the opponents not being properly armed it is easy wins for lower level jugs. In all honestly if Juggernaut mode is suppose to be hard, and isn't suppose to be free win something seriously needs to be done about that.

I remember you stating how you hated 2 vs 2 with alts in the past because of the imbalance with Juggernaut mode. How do you think the real lower levels feel having play against Juggernauts consistently at those levels unprepared for them? I played with a few of my alts, and just like the opponents running at higher levels back in delta I see someone of the newer players running now at those levels.
Epic  Post #: 7
11/25/2013 9:27:32   
Variation
Member
 

 ^I have a level 20 alt and when I face a jugg in 2v2 I almost always win even with bad partners. Just yesterday I fought a jugg with a mercenary partner who only had a basic club but we still won easily (he spammed bunker). I love facing juggs because it boosts my 2v2 win % I'd hate to see them remove juggs at lower levels just because some of those players can't think strategy.

< Message edited by Variation -- 11/25/2013 10:02:20 >
Post #: 8
11/25/2013 9:46:34   
Remorse
Member

@ Mother1

I am actually unaware of this issue, and it is a serious concern.


Perhaps I should investigate it further before I give my opinion on how strong these lower level juggs are.



If it is found to be a really bad problem a quick temporary fix would be to give a level restriction (eg lvl 20 +)to Jugg.


This is until they find a solution to lower level juggs finding battles as equally hard as the higher level ones.

< Message edited by Remorse -- 11/25/2013 9:47:11 >
Epic  Post #: 9
11/25/2013 12:01:10   
martinsen5
Member

@Variation, Same here. Haven't played on my alts in a while, but when I did.. I had no problem with beating juggernauts when playing as a level 20 myself. Juggernaut mode is far from free wins at a lower level, it just depends on the players.
AQW Epic  Post #: 10
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