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11/30/2014 15:02:25   
Cyber Dream
Member

So this core is supposed to be released with the new update, but it isn't guaranteed. The purpose of this core is to hide your opponent's skills. That's all I know about it right now. You can see the image posted on Titan's twitter with the caption "Snow my goodness... 'Whiteout' is one of many NEW cores available when EpicDuel's Frozen Fury event goes live!". Somewhere else, I saw it with the caption "I hope your opponent has a good memory".

Now lets talk about this core that will supposedly hide your opponent's skills so they can't remember where they are. Won't this just cause us to screenshot our skills at the start of each match assuming that this core has a 1 turn cool down? Causing this skill to be somewhat pointless? I'm hoping that the core changes around your opponents skills while they are covered with the whiteout. What do you think?
AQW Epic  Post #: 1
11/30/2014 15:09:21   
Mother1
Member

If they did this there would be a ton and I mean a ton of angry players because this would indeed cause Epic duel to become lucky duel. I say this because the person who is affected by this core will be shooting in the dark hoping they get the right moves and upon doing this it will more than likely cause more players to lose not due to skill but due to not being able to use the correct moves.

Having it where it just blocks out your cores and relying on memory or even screen shots is more than fair for this core.
Epic  Post #: 2
11/30/2014 15:27:56   
Cyber Dream
Member

quote:

If they did this there would be a ton and I mean a ton of angry players because this would indeed cause Epic duel to become lucky duel. I say this because the person who is affected by this core will be shooting in the dark hoping they get the right moves and upon doing this it will more than likely cause more players to lose not due to skill but due to not being able to use the correct moves.

I for one can say I disapprove of this core because of this

The only way I can somewhat even discuss it without thinking it is bad for the game is knowing that we will be able to get a screenshot of our skills. But then a pointless core would be in the game. I suggest that we're provided more info on the core before it is released or the core is reviewed more before being released.

AQW Epic  Post #: 3
11/30/2014 15:40:31   
  Exploding Penguin
Moderator
quote:

Won't this just cause us to screenshot our skills at the start of each match assuming that this core has a 1 turn cool down?


The smart players who spend the time and effort to do this deserve to reap such benefits. I remember back when I cared about winning that I used to memorize the block, deflect, and crit chances and played with a desktop calculator so I could calculate my odds every turn.
Epic  Post #: 4
11/30/2014 17:24:18   
The Jop
Member

I doubt most people would take screenshots, especially since they have to expect their opponent using it and they only have 15 seconds to make a move.

< Message edited by The Jop -- 11/30/2014 17:28:25 >
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 5
11/30/2014 17:56:19   
Gepard Acht
Member

I would, just screenshot - start - paint maybe 5 sec? More than enough to do things especially if we already went first
AQ AQW Epic  Post #: 6
11/30/2014 18:06:50   
Cyber Dream
Member

quote:

especially since they have to expect their opponent using it and they only have 15 seconds to make a move.
That's the point. Screenshoting your skills before a match is going to become a thing and epicduel and as soon as the core is used then all you have to do is pull up your screenshot if you save it.
AQW Epic  Post #: 7
11/30/2014 18:22:27   
The Jop
Member

I guess. There's only about 500 people playing and they seem to think winning is fairly important judging from their attitudes.
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 8
11/30/2014 20:19:36   
Silver Sky Magician
Member


 I'll just use my weapons unless I'm in a serious pinch, honestly. The main reason I don't chat in battle is fear that the timer will run out. It's run out at 10 seconds several times, so I'm not taking any chances.
Post #: 9
11/30/2014 20:42:54   
Asuka Langley Soryu
Member

Screenshot of the skills in paint and open in small windown the screnshot window at start of each game....

Problem Whiteout Core? TroLOlololo!!!!!



< Message edited by Asuka Langley Soryu -- 11/30/2014 20:44:39 >
AQW  Post #: 10
12/1/2014 1:44:19   
  Exploding Penguin
Moderator


 It'll be more like a "for-fun" type of core that shouldn't actually be taken seriously and probably won't have any use. Kind of like bunny bots but more useless because those at least are good for some NPCs.
Epic  Post #: 11
12/1/2014 3:12:50   
Mother1
Member

@ Exploding Penguin

At lower levels the bunny bots can be major nukes to players seeing as this bot has help my lower level alt win matches it wouldn't have won otherwise.
Epic  Post #: 12
12/1/2014 8:41:23   
Inkwolf
Member

If the mouseover popup window still works for skills, it will be less of a crippling attack and more of a time-eater, as the opponent will have to examine skills individually, instead of instantly seeing everything that is available and currently usable. Does anyone know whether that will be the case?

It actually sounds like a fun way to freak your opponent out, if so. ^^

If actually does hide everything, even for one round, it could be a killer, though.
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 13
12/1/2014 9:18:10   
Asuka Langley Soryu
Member

THe develpoters from this game are LOSING the time in create the useless Whiteout core (you can block 100% the core effect using paint screenshot LOL!),

And they no use these time in create balance in the big problems of the game? GREAT...!!!!



< Message edited by Asuka Langley Soryu -- 12/1/2014 9:19:05 >
AQW  Post #: 14
12/1/2014 10:00:17   
Gepard Acht
Member

^ I wouldnt say that they are "wasting time" with these cores, we did ask for some new ones and this is pretty creative and looks fun so far.
Also regarding the comment about balance

quote:

2 New packages, 8+ new cores, balance overhaul, 3 new mission chains, new npcs, 27 Days of Presents, plus a brand gift giving system, +more!

Taken from Titan's Twitter

Not only did he give us more cores that we have been asking for, he also said that he will do a balance overhaul, more mission chains ( That would usually mean A LOT of credits, some new npcs which are usually welcomed and 27 days of (I Presume) login gifts?

I'm not saying that the devs are perfect or anything, but after promising to do all of this for the event I would be more than satisfied, we'll just have to see how it goes
AQ AQW Epic  Post #: 15
12/1/2014 11:37:13   
Inkwolf
Member

quote:

(you can block 100% the core effect using paint screenshot LOL!),


Not 100%. You will still know where your skills are, but will not see which are available for immediate use, unless you have the energy requirements and cooldown/warmup times memorized for everything.
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 16
12/1/2014 14:42:40   
King Bling
Member

There are many ways to this, yes the screenshot might work, but who would screen shot the skills really? you play 100 matches today, you screen shot all? Nah probably not, moreover, now I know where my skills are placed so I can keep my pointer ready even before the skills pop up, cuz I know where they are, and I have a suggestion to this skill then, how bout when the skill used, it covers up all the skills of the opponent, and you have to rub the skills out, to check whether the one is you MoB or heal or something, I mean like, for eg. you wanted to Mark your opponent, but he uses the core, then you see all white snow over your skills, you rub them out to find out which one is which, so be quick and use it kind of thingy, and yes the skills might be randomized in this case or its no use, and one more thing , If the core remains the way it is and if it randomizes your skills, there is no problem at all , just choose to strike or bot or gen , at least those dont get randomized from their places, just like the kartherax, people complained that what to do if you get pwned by that core, and some said heal or gen or just gun, same like that if you get pwned by this whiteout core, just bot or strike or gen. its simple nothing hard, but yes if the core doesnt randomize the skills, let me tell you one thing the core is literally "useless".
Post #: 17
12/1/2014 15:16:54   
Mother1
Member

@ King Bling

Not everyone takes screen shots, and not everyone has good memory. Randomizing the skills basically takes the only 2 ways to counter this core away, and will overpower this core. anyone who would complain about losing to this core and luck would have every right to complain about it and enforcing luck based victories due to your opponent having no way to counter a certain core will cause people who don't want to be forced to use this core to quit.

As least the way they are planning on having it you have 2 ways to counter this core which is all apart of planning which is something the game needs.
Epic  Post #: 18
12/2/2014 4:22:29   
King Bling
Member

@ Mother1

You just tag the core with OP right away? When kartherax special came in , it too takes away the str for 3 turns , basically there is no option but to use the gun , aux or heal, gen which is not needed as the core is used in the start, people are dealing with it, then why not randomize the whiteout core and deal it the same way by just using gun , aux or bot or gen, you cannot just straight away say it OP, in that case Kartherax special is too OP and they need to nerf it, and anyone who would complain about losing to the kartherax core would have the same right to complain about it and enforcing a nerf on it since it "forces you not to use primary related moves", if that core not be nerfed then make this core randomized, or its useless.
People say counter kartherax by just using gun, aux , heal, gen then why not now people say counter the whiteout by just using strike, gun , aux , gen. This is what the game needs, to counter the cores, the kartherax to be counter, there is no counter to it , 3 turns str all out and the 4 turn you receive a heavy blow of 500 damage, and you are all out.
You are plainly discriminating the cores, its either same way the cores get "countered" or hell no with it.
Post #: 19
12/2/2014 6:39:27   
SouL Prisoner
Member

A complete whiteout is crazy. At least your weapons moves should be visible according to me.
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 20
12/2/2014 9:22:50   
Mother1
Member

@ King bling

Where did I say this core would become overpowered if left the way the staff has it? I never said that. With them just blocking out your skills but no shuffling them you have 2 ways to counter it without luck.

1) A good memory
2) A screen shot.


However you claimed that these 2 things would make the core worthless because of the fact that it can be make the core worthless. So you suggested that the skills become randomized along with blocking them out. Now that is what I called overpowered.

I say this because if they make this change there will be 0% chance of you countering this core seeing as

1) You won't know where the system has put your skills since they have been randomized.

You will be literally stumbling hoping you will be using the right move which in turn will be game breaking. If this happened and players started to complain about losing to this core they would have every right to complain about it because it 100% puts you in the dark seeing as you can't counter with anything but luck hence the reason why I said this core would turn epic duel into Lucky duel.

TL:DR

Current way the staff has whiteout set up = Good as is due to have 2 counters
The way OP and yourself want whiteout = Overpowered due to their being no way to counter this core's effect and your only hope being you get lucky.
Epic  Post #: 21
12/2/2014 11:18:35   
King Bling
Member

@ Mother1

quote:

Randomizing the skills basically takes the only 2 ways to counter this core away, and will overpower this core


Well you just said that randomizing will make it OP, now.....

Tell me one thing, if it is randomized and whiteout then how can that be OP? Its simple just use common sense if you have, use strike or gun or aux or gen, that is the counter not just calling it "Lucky Duel" , well and if.................if you really are calling that OP then why in the case of kartherax you dont consider the core OP when it takes out your options for not just 1 turn but 3 turns! If you are calling this core OP if randomized, I say counter it by logic, i.e gen strike etc. Same as you said in the case when people raised the question what to do when kartherax core used, simply gen heal or gun aux.

So if you are mention this core OP , and you thing that should not be implemented it indirectly means that kartherax is OP and should be nerfed, cuz when later it comes in game you know it........
...."Lucky Duel".

Edit: I meant , only skill swapping / randomizing , not the strike button or the gen or aux or gun , only the down row where the skills are located, only that should be randomized not the upper row where you have gun aux gen.

< Message edited by King Bling -- 12/2/2014 11:26:03 >
Post #: 22
12/2/2014 11:34:41   
Variation
Member
 

 @King Bling: The Kartherax Darkspawns only lower your primary damage, there are many things you can do besides using primary based skills.

If this core randomized your skills on use it would be overpowered, and it's crazily obvious. Here is a straightforward example with this core suggestion - You're in a 2v2 match and you need to use Field Medic on your partner, if the core randomized the skills on use all they would have to do is use Whiteout on you and you've almost certainly lost the battle due to that core (because now you need to guess which hidden skill is Field Medic since the skills were randomized on core use).

Your argument as to why this core should randomize skills seems to be based on not using skills, but that's ridiculous. There are times in matches where if you want to win the battle you have absolutely no choice but to use a skill. This especially applies to 2v2 matches when you desperately need to heal your partner in order to win. Trying to bring up - sometimes you have to strike to win, but you can't because of Curse of Kartherax is ridiculous also. Players need to play correctly versus players with those robots, if they don't they're the reasons for their losses versus those robots.

This core needs a way to be countered and the way the developers want it to be countered at the time is perfectly reasonable (memory). You cannot make a core like this without a reasonable counter(s) or players will be devastated when they lose to it because there was pretty much nothing they could do.
Post #: 23
12/2/2014 12:41:42   
King Bling
Member

Then in that case, lets take an example of Kartherax when, the enemy is about to die and your only hope is a blude or a berzerker or any move related to primary, and gun wouldnt do enough damage to end the match, in those casess too that core is ridiculously overpowered, so why not nerf that? You either go the ridiculous way and make the things that way or make it simple like just no randomization and just whiteout and hola click dat and your done + nerf kartherax as per your conclusion both cores are too OP.
Post #: 24
12/2/2014 12:45:54   
The Jop
Member

That's just a specific situation when you're backed into a corner, but if whiteout randomized your moves and blocked them from sight you would have nothing to fall back on. There's no strategy when you don't know what the button you're pressing does, making the game rely on luck.

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