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2/15/2016 4:11:34   
shadow.bane
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Underdog gives you the following :

More stats
More RNG
More Skill tree damages to certain skills due to the extra strength/dexterity/technologies/support
More damages to primary/sidearm/auxiliary/robot
More armors to defense/resistance
Greater chance of starting first

It have a lot of advantage that some don't even notice and yet they say it needs a buff while it definitely needs a nerf .

But what do rank gives you ?

More damage to primary/sidearm/auxiliary/robot
More armors defense/resistance
Extra 20 points to field medic
Lesser 10 energy points when use of cores

Basically yeah am telling you a rank 30 - 50 is stronger than a rank 50 - 80 , if you don't believe me ask any higher rank about this or wait till u be rank 50 + and see for yourselves.

Do the comparison and let me know what you think !

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Bane Hallow The Last Shadow Fiend.
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2/15/2016 4:57:36   
Foulman
Member

Ranks should never have been added. They're ridiculously powerful vs lower levels and from ranks 1-20. Don't forget the extra gear stats that high ranks have against level 36-39 players. But then underdog gets the upper hand (sort of) after rank 30, so the whole thing goes bonkers. Low levels and ranks have almost no chance vs rank 20+ players when everyone is smart, but rank 80s have no real advantage vs rank 50+ guys. Underdog is only balanced for rank 20-30 people.
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2/15/2016 6:36:34   
Galren
Member
 

 I assume this is partially in reply to me. In which I say I am solely talking about pre level 25 in which underdog does not help.
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2/15/2016 7:48:10   
shadow.bane
Member

@foulman ! do u know that after rank 40 ur chance to versus a level 38 - 39 is 1 % and u never face a level 35 - 37 ? rank 1 - 20 are superior to rank 20 - 50 , while rank 20 - 50 are superior to level 35 - 39 and rank 50 - 80 . u get the math here ? after rank 50 ur winning chance get ridiculously lowered and the chances of u have the frist turn is 1 in a 100 lol basically I have 70 support and people with base support mostly like 80 % of the times start before I do .
@garlen I didn't play a low level to judge underdog mode to those levels so I can assume nothin.
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2/16/2016 2:26:04   
Foulman
Member

Last time I checked, 17/20 of the matches I played as a level 38 were rank 10+. And 10 were rank 50+.
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2/18/2016 9:58:24   
Warmaker04
Member
 

 In my opinion, ranks shouldn't have been implemented in the game at all. It ruined the balance back then

< Message edited by Warmaker04 -- 2/18/2016 16:52:07 >
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2/21/2016 19:28:26   
The berserker killer
Member

 

 Wow. SO disappointed in this community. Now that the majority of players are high rankers, who were low rankers when underdog was implemented, now theres a problem with underdog? *clap clap clap*
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2/22/2016 6:26:39   
shadow.bane
Member

^ your a high rank yourself , let me ask you have you ever got the chance to start first as a focus player against base support dex hunters and str tlms/tm/bh/ch or they always start first like it's the case with me ? and have you ever got unexplained deflections/block/crits out of the blue ? ever felt like those 1 -> 6 extra stats to all stats ever made changes like more % on RNG which get annoying ? answer me those and give me not a sure answer a plausible answer and ill request this post to be deleted

< Message edited by shadow.bane -- 2/22/2016 6:27:29 >
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2/22/2016 11:51:59   
The berserker killer
Member

 

 The thing is ive stated this in multiple posts ever since underdog came out and no one blinked an eye. I received constant criticism from mods and testers who don't play the game, along with lower ranked players even though its completely clear how unfair underdog is with a boost to:

-Primary damage
-Gun Damage
-Aux Damage
-Robot Damage
-Strength
- All strength based moves
-Dexterity
- All Dex based moves
-Block Chance for yourself
-Connect chance for primary
-Technology
- All tech based moves
-Deflect Chance for yourself
- Decreased chance to be deflected
-Support and all Support based moves
-Crit chance for yourself
-First turn chance for yourself
-Decreased first turn chance for your opponent
- A few point increase in EVERY skill on the skill tree
-Bonus Defense
-Bonus Resistance
- 5 passive cores

All of which are passive in a game where an individual can lose or win based off of 1 single hp. Not to mention they get an insane amount of xp and creds for winning.

And yet every time I bring this up moderators and testers who don't even play this game try to defend underdog because they are lower levels with an inadequate amount of experience and it makes things so much easier for them. But hey, even with 15+ advantages to underdog, it must be "fair" if our testers and mods say so. I mean afterall, it was one of our VERY OWN TESTERS (or at least who made decisions regarding balance) that said, and I quote "What do these green things do" in reference to legendary stats. Not only that, but they also lack the experience to even know the simple things such as pressing Shift+Click to add on 5 stats at a time.

But those are the guys making our decisions. Underdog isn't fair. What would make it fair?

1)Make it the same as legendary mode so that it only affects Primary, Def, Res, Gun, Aux, and Robot

or

2) Make it a passive core, that's buyable and would replace your armors passive core so that one does not have 5 passive cores .

Underdog should replace your armors passive anyway.


< Message edited by The berserker killer -- 2/22/2016 11:53:12 >
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2/22/2016 14:27:12   
shadow.bane
Member

^ so that means ur agreeing with me here ! were on the same page ... i only wish to low rank players 50 and below to reach rank 50 + and tell me their experience ! i have this friend who also defended underdog in the past months since it came out and reach rank 50 just few days ago and the only thing he said to me "omg, you were right" so for all those big mouths that think themselves pros that they can defeat a max rank player please reach rank 50 and come tell me what do u feel like.
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2/22/2016 19:08:59   
The berserker killer
Member

 

 Yea I totally agree. Its just that when I suggested for devs to do one of those 2 nerfs to underdog, everyone went so hostile. But now that theyre rank 50+, im seeing "Nerf underdog" posts everywhere on forums. Wow.
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2/23/2016 1:19:41   
racing.lo.mas
Member

Or better, the post I made.
Increase the slots of the Legendary Mode to 20 but just allowing players to spend 80 points (that's the amount of points that players can spend in legendary improvements for pvps).
If all legendary points worth it, then high ranks wouldnt care about underdog mode (and it wouldnt be so op).
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2/23/2016 6:41:44   
shadow.bane
Member

^ first thing i thought it was a good idea racing but though about it many times , logically it's not a good idea ! cause then u will see high ranks spamming primary damage aux damage in support tanker in f5 more gun damage in dex ! am talking about 60 primary damage , 80 gun damage , 80 aux , 80 bot , 60 def/resistance for a certain builds would be op like dex/supp/str but the only one that will take the fall is focus 5 cause he can't spam a state lol .
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2/24/2016 13:59:58   
nowras
Member

Wow... The one who always didn't support my opinions about nerfing Underdog mode because he was near Rank God (49) is now suggesting to nerf Underdog mode because he's rank 70+ people are really selfish.... They want what they want they never listen to the truth.. We old high ranked players (who were 50+ when underdog was implemented) should get like 200k-500k extra credits and like 50k more EXP... why..? Because we fought those who were higher ranked than us and wrecked our %s without underdog.. and we got no extra credits for defeating them... While you now simply get free credits for defeating a high ranked player and he's actually weaker than you.. (Cuz of 100% chance to go 1st and the unlimited stats from underdog).... Lol... This is why we old high ranked players should be the only ones who get that amount of credits and EXP for free as a compensation... Of course Underdog mode should be nerfed by making it give the one u fight 50% of what you have of perks and by making 1st turn increase by 5% each 20 ranks instead of every 10 ranks...

< Message edited by nowras -- 2/24/2016 14:03:58 >
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2/24/2016 14:40:55   
shadow.bane
Member

^ dillusional mate e.e u tiok advantage before underdog implemented to this game and no compensation should be given lol and when u were high rank nowras little amount of people were high rank u can count those on 1 hand lol so u actually fought high rank like 1 in a 100 .
+ i never said underdog is weak or something i always was against it lol.

< Message edited by shadow.bane -- 2/24/2016 14:41:55 >
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2/24/2016 17:49:45   
racing.lo.mas
Member

@SB Focus can spam defense, resistance and bot. They will have 700 bot damage, 460 defense and 480 resistance; and something else.
If you think is not enough then bot damage can be increased.

< Message edited by racing.lo.mas -- 2/24/2016 17:50:40 >
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2/24/2016 18:50:39   
shadow.bane
Member

^ that doesn't sound broken to u ? :p
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2/25/2016 18:59:51   
nowras
Member

No I meant 50% of what I have of perks that they don't have for example I have max medical mastery and it gives me +20 heal they will get +10 heal but they wont get 20+ bot cuz they already have it maxed out plus if I had max bot and they had +36 bot they will get +2 to their bot damage and it will become 38.. Got it?
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