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7/30/2020 15:25:01   
LoreWeaver
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Canonically, it is known that the hero is fighting for the greater good, and not really working with the Rose. However, the thought is enticing. If you could join the Rose, would you? And what kind of position would you consider having?


I, for one, would attempt to be in a position where I'm allowed to study apprentice/lesser mages. I would still want that freedom to tinker with magic in some way.
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8/2/2020 21:34:57   
OpprobriousPinecones
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Honestly, I wouldn't join the Rose. While there are some members who have genuinely good intentions and have probably done good for Greenguard as a whole, I can't ever see myself joining an organization that allows one of their leaders to get away with mass murder.
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8/4/2020 16:52:03   
Vaalirus
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I can't personally see myself joining the Rose and if I did it would strictly be the research of magic or magical creatures which in all likelihood is a task that could be partaken with more "preferable" parties. Either way, it just doesn't help to bear in mind the knowledge that they capture or chain magical being sentient (it's still not sitting well with me that elves, dracomancers, and others were considered viable targets regardless of Jaania's intentions) or otherwise. Not to mention in now learning of Jaania's current plan of cutting out magical influence entirely, were she to successfully manipulate the mana core, is something that would honestly make me quit on the spot if I ever learned about it
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8/6/2020 15:13:18   
Dray
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Good question! I've spent a lot of time on this, trying to think about what, in-universe, would most benefit Lore.

I would definitely want to join the Rose. I don't say this purely to be a contrarian--here's my thinking.

The Rose is a fundamentally broken organization. It's based around ideals that have little alignment with reality, and its tenets are all but unenforceable. Many of its members have joined for illegitimate reasons. Z and Akanthus, for one, and arguably Amadeus. That being said, it also has many members who are good people. Hansa, Neron, and hundreds of others in positions of authority, or minionry, who honestly just want to make Lore a safer place. Right now, these "good apples" are being wasted through mismanagement and incompetent/corrupt leadership.

If I were to join The Rose, I would join in a leadership position, with the end goal of running The Rose. The Rose would do almost anything to have the Hero of Lore freely join their side--asking to join at a higher rank, asking to join with a small squadron of hand-picked soldiers under my command, is something I'm fairly certain the Rose wouldn't object to. We have canonically demonstrated our skills when it comes to directing and leading troops, especially during the Black Winter War, so between my own overwhelming competence, and my demonstrated leadership ability, it would be easy to rise in the ranks. I would swiftly become the most powerful member of the Rose, and that is when I would begin purging the corrupt elements of The Rose's leadership. I would insist that lieutenants be held responsible for the actions of "rogue" soldiers, and ensure every soldier is held accountable for their own actions.

The old guard of The Rose leadership may object to me attempting to root out their corruption. But I will have the hearts and minds of the men on my side, as every corrupt Rose leader--Z, Theano, Akanthus--are uniformly brutal and cruel to the people serving under them. I am the hero of Lore, who has fought for as many of The Rose's soldiers as I've fought against. If it comes to mutiny, I will not be the one mutinied against. If it comes to physical blows--well, the only one we are not sure of our strength against is Akanthus. But I do not believe an open confrontation is his style.

And Jaania? The poor woman is addled, mislead, confused, and terribly unsure of whether her path is virtuous. Without Rose-scented serpents whispering in her ear, I'm confident that I could convince her to try something else before shutting down magic completely.

I don't want to end magic. I'm a Technomancer, most of the time. But having this power in anyone's hands--untrained, and unskilled--how many times would this world have ended if I were not alive? When I die, how can I ensure that the world continues to be safe? I'd like to become an Elemental Spirit, but my influence will be greatly diminished. My memories may not be the same, and my power most definitely will not. Regulation, and enforcement of magic-using standards, is the only thing I can think of that could prolong Lore's existence. And the Rose, for all their faults, have laid a very decent groundwork for this push at regulation. Otherwise, some child born with unimaginable power will make a bid to take over the world just years after I die, most likely. I know there are other heroes of Lore--I've been told about them, and I've even seen a few. But I'm, by all accounts, by far the most competent. I can't rely on the future to "work itself out," not without a safety net. I don't have nearly enough faith in Falwynn yet.

...Of course, this plan is not foolproof. It's certainly possible that Jaania cannot be swayed. If I had to slay Akanthus, I don't believe the Rose soldiers would despise me too much to salvage the plan, but I'm fairly certain touching Jaania is a no-no. They'd almost certainly mutiny against me if I had to fell her. And I'm not really manipulative enough to be sure I can use my words to get Jaania to do what I want. I may be able to twist Alteon/Victoria's ear, and ask them to direct Jaania, but that just adds another layer of buffering between me and The Rose's leadership.

spoiler:

...Hm. If I were king, surely I could command Jaania directly? Say, Victoria's still single, right...?
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8/6/2020 20:49:35   
Kyros123
Member
 

 No.

Even disregarding the worst of the Rose's extremes, joining the Rose doesn't seem to offer any benefits towards helping the hero save the world. Unlike the other classes factions (Paladin, Soulweaver, DragonLord etc.) the average Manahunter/Energizer just doesn't seem like they have any abilities, skills or equipment which make them better at dealing with magical threats. Now, if they had stuff like anti-magic wards, magic resistant armor etc, then maybe it would be worth joining them just to learn some new skills (after all, you can learn a lot even from your enemies).

Also the hero tends to operate more like a freelance agent rather than a dedicated member of a specific faction. Despite being taught by mentors from various factions (Artix, Galanoth), the hero has never express interest in exclusively joining those factions.

That's not even mentioning the fact that as a new Rose recruit we'd probably be on the lower end of the command hierarchy and have to end up taking orders from people we're vastly likely to be more competent than. Joining the Rose just seems like a unnecessary hamstring. Selectively working with certain parts of the Rose (basically what we were already doing) seems like the more optimal choice. We're more than capable of doing good/saving the world without needing to join an organization.

< Message edited by Kyros123 -- 8/6/2020 20:51:01 >
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8/6/2020 23:39:02   
mds2006
Member
 

 Heck no. They're evil, and if I were in the Hero's position specifically, rather than some other random individual who lived in the DF world, I'd have attacked Jaania instantly the first time seeing her after thawing for doing something so evil out of nowhere, unprovoked like that. How dare she.
And those views would be exponentially stronger from an in-universe perspective.

< Message edited by mds2006 -- 8/6/2020 23:40:09 >
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8/17/2020 0:41:56   
JasonParker
Member

Given the choice, I would take a much harder line against the Rose then my character has. They're slavers, enough "knocking out" their soldiers. They use the evils magic had done to justify their actions yet "shockingly" their authoritarian rule and enslavement and persecution of magic creatures hasn't stopped its abuse. All it's done is terrorize normal people. How would you treat a organization who persecuted and enslaved anyone with arms, because of the many evils arms can and have been used for?
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8/22/2020 20:31:47   
Alm Nullamors
Member

I myself wouldn't join because there's benefits to not being trapped in subsequent official responsibilities, but I'd absolutely be an active ally in co-operation with a Rose which has, like Dray intends, been stripped clean of its various cancers and restructured into an organised force that just protects ordinary joes from ill-meaning magic users instead of enslaving innocent magical creatures or seeking to end magic itself. Of course we've seen the bad eggs do some truly atrocious things under the Rose's current higher-ups but we'd be fools if we let all these moments overshadow the good that has inarguably been done for locations like Duat and Amityvale. Time and time again we've seen that one hero simply can't manage to protect everyone in this land, so I believe we truly could benefit from having a reformed Rose's help in our future conflicts. Something like that could have saved Konnan's family and thus prevent the birth of another antagonistic pyromancer, for example...

This isn't a simple case of "the Rose is evil". We can't just toss such a label around and expect it to simplify a complicated feud just like that. They aren't Valtrith, a being explicitly resurrected to be Lore's ultimate villain. Regime change (and subsequent reparations for the parties negatively affected by the Rose's corrupt leadership) would be far less wasteful than dismantling the entire thing outright because, much unlike the Shadowscythe, there actually are individuals I could trust with keeping this group on the straight and narrow. Hansa and Neron come to mind immediately. A Rose led by one or co-led by both? I'd appreciate the steadfast backup.

What I'm saying is, we should never let our justifiable indignation or outrage control us entirely. Cooler heads and reasonable considerations are more valuable for navigating a scenario like this; impulsive decisions and headlong leaps are not the way to go anymore.

< Message edited by Alm Nullamors -- 8/22/2020 20:36:58 >
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