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9/29/2010 22:18:50   
RasLuine
Banned


 It is quite obvious that the PvP thread cannot benefit anyone anymore. All of its good traits have been turned into an "am better than you" back and forth, the actual information on the thread that was useful for players is very well hidden behind those walls of flame.

So to end this I was thinking of starting a "Comparison Request Thread or Forum Section", I believe this will finally put an end to all those silly rumors people are curious about and finally help determine the best possible enhancement combination for the required situation weather if its PvP, Farming, Boss Fights, Etc

The beauty of this is that you could ask anything from maximum damages to an autoattack comparison, without having to go through all the flame or useless answers you would find in the Q&A
Basic Rules:
Only 1 post per page
No discussion (like how bugs are posted)
Must follow template
(soon to be elaborated)


here is my suggested template

Question:
Level:
Class:
Current Weapon Range:
Current Build:
Weapon -
Helmet -
Cape -
Class -

Screenshot of Character Overview / or
(Do note that if the screenshot is given the info below is not needed)
Attack Power:
Spell Power:
DPS:
Speed:

Attributes:
Strength -
Intellect -
Endurance -
Dexterity -
Wisdom -
Luck -


Hit% -
Haste% -
Critical% -
Evasion% -


Heres an example,

Question: What is the maximum damage I can do with a prepared strike with my current build, what is the maximum damage of 4 prepared strikes?
Level: 16
Class: Warrior
Current Weapon Range: (63-101)
Current Build: 4 luck
Weapon - Non Member Lucky (13)
Helmet - Non Member Lucky (16)
Cape - Non Member Lucky (15)
Class - Non Member Lucky (14)

Screenshot of Character Overview:
Ziedrich Core

Attack Power: 78
Spell Power: 12
DPS: 41
Speed: 2.0

Attributes:
Strength - 39
Intellect - 6
Endurance - 53
Dexterity - 37
Wisdom - 13
Luck - 71


Hit% - 92.47
Haste% - 3.70
Critical% - 10.20
Evasion% - 9.00


An answer would go like this

The maximum damage you could do with one strike would be
314

The maximum damage with 4 prepared strikes would be
1254


The problem with this is that finding players to help out instead of just posting would be kind of difficult but I believe I could find just the right people if this were to get accepted, I could elaborate on how everything should be done if this sounds interesting enough to get accepted.
AQ  Post #: 1
9/30/2010 1:08:39   
The Forgotten
Exquisitely pathological


 I fail to see how such a thread/section would be useful. AQW Q/A should be able to handle such requests. If there's flaming/spam in the PVP thread and in Q/A, there's no reason why a new thread would help.
AQ AQW  Post #: 2
9/30/2010 5:01:22   
Lady Azjurai
Member

If you really wanted, you could try and start that trend in the =AQW= Character Ratings and Advice as-is anyway. If you start using more stat-fields in the template there (under the build advice area), it fits in nicely with the overall idea of the thread.

Actually thought about putting all those fields into the OP, but had a feeling it's likely too technical for most people to really want to bother with (let alone a hassle for many people to type). There's nothing stopping you from trying to get it working in there however.

< Message edited by Lady Azjurai -- 9/30/2010 5:02:16 >
MQ AQW  Post #: 3
9/30/2010 6:39:14   
RasLuine
Banned


 @The Forgotten
The Q&A cannot handle requests like these, not to long ago I hesitantly made a topic. Here that was a simple request yet it could not be answered by anyone. Bluekats is a friend of mine who to be honest has only a fainted glow of this topic yet it seems he could learn more if there was some "elaboration" done in gameplay aspect of AQWorlds, that of course starts in the forum.

But who knows, perhaps am just this no-body who cant get his question answered so I advise you to go ahead and try it for yourself. I actually am, I want you to see for yourself that the Q&A does not have people that could answer a question like that and most likely never will. So please insert a curiosity you might have about AQWorlds that could be solved by simple math and you can see the results for yourself.

@Lady Azjurai
About Using the Char Advice Thread:
I see where your coming from but I don't think the people that often answer thread like that could help with requests that relate to gameplay (other than dress-up) so in the end it would produce the same results as the Q&A.


About making the Comparison Thread:
Also, If I were to start something like that with no preparation and only me doing the request it would end up dead or I could be biting way more than I could chew, but thanks for allowing me to post a thread like that.
I'll start to see if I could get people interested in answering such requests since I already know a number of people who would be interested in this very topic.

__________

I do want to expand this to a section of the forums to actually keep the info more organized for it to be easier to answer.
My question here is, would this possible if this idea becomes successful enough?
AQ  Post #: 4
9/30/2010 8:34:30   
The Forgotten
Exquisitely pathological


 If no one in Q&A was capable to or willing to help, I don't think that a dedicated forum would help much.

It doesn't seem likely that a majority of AQWers will be interested in the gritty numbers. Considering that a vast majority of ingame formulas are unreleased, the sheer amount of work required to derive and verify each formula will probably turn off most people.

This isn't a bad idea (Personally, I'd love to see some more concrete build standards in AQW), but creating an entirely new forum to satisfy the curiosity of a handful of individuals seems kind of unnecessary. A new thread in GD, certainly. It is a discussion after all.
AQ AQW  Post #: 5
9/30/2010 10:25:42   
Abraska
Member

I saw your post but didn't reply as I need to be careful not to be biased since I'm an AK Q&A. Hopefully I can provide some even-handed logic. I will not mention the Q&A unless it helps your argument.

First thing that jumps at me is that people may fill out the form incorrectly or incompletely. It's a lot to fill out which probably decreases the chance of a full form. You probably will get plain requests with little information from the OP. Your math can be perfect but if the input is lousy, the output cannot be expected to desirable. I can't think up a good point for this, sorry.

On that note, everyone's math is not perfect. You cannot have everyone calculate differently, end up with different results, and confuse the OP. That's assuming everyone gets their 2+2 correct (it's 5 five right?). It is far more difficult to verify a quantitative argument than a qualitative one. Though, the quantitative argument is often preferred assuming that it is accurate.

Then there is the problem of people who want to understand your calculations. Giving out a number and teaching are two different things. The latter being more difficult and time consuming. This is coming from my experience from teaching in real life. It is unavoidable as you'll have to do it if you want new members on the team. The good point I see from this is forum members becoming more educated and skilled at math (thumbs up!).

In the best case scenario, I imagine users getting an awesome answer and being satisfied. I imagine that it'll be super popular (cause I like math, oh no! bias!) and see a lot of traffic. Thus, yeah, this potentially is a good idea. I agree with The Forgotten that this isn't a bad idea assuming you and friends can live up to it. Though, I don't want to have it as a complete separate entity that needs it's own moderators and AKs. I agree that is should go in the GD as numbers get boring without any discussion (I would know).

Oh, and check your thread again. I gave it a go.

I'll think about it some more. Have a good one until then.
AQW Epic  Post #: 6
9/30/2010 22:11:49   
RasLuine
Banned


 I guess I should elaborate a bit.
This would be something that could take some time, and yes you are right this would not interest most of the AQWorld populace.
Its helpfulness however is undoubtedly the best thing that could happen to them. As of now The Forgotten is right, there is only a handful of players at most that would be interested in ~lets call it~ numbers, but this could change.

The biggest problem I see here would be to find the people interested in helping the requesters. Something I believe I could get done thanks to the people I have met during the time I use to compete player vs player. However the number is less than 5, as it gets more popularity other people will want to help, weather its guide making or helping the requesters themselves.

And yes a lot of the game formulae has yet to be released, but I already contacted Dumoose (as instructed by Cysero) and will await to see if I can get enough info to really fill every single hole.

My question or clarification would be this:
If this thread were to get popular, we fix almost every single problem and demand well... demanded it, wouldn't this receive a fair shot as a forum section?
Its supervision would not need hiring of new staff because it barely needs some type of "maintenance", and am sure most of the newer staff members would be happy to help.


I will make the thread by the time I receive the info needed to make it, thanks for giving this a shot.


EDIT:
Not enough people seem to be interested in this at all, I'll make the thread and work on the requests myself.
If no one else can help me help the requesters after I feel enough info has been gathered to at least make a guide, I'll probably stop answering as often until the thread dies out.
Again my fault you guys were clearly right, I guess I put my hopes a bit to high.

EDIT2:
I made the thread, and it got deleted.
I contacted Hay but I didn't get a response...
I contacted Elnaith but I didn't get a response...
What to do know, wait?

< Message edited by RasLuine -- 10/12/2010 1:08:06 >
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