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8/13/2011 19:29:18   
soul sythe11
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Ever since ED merged with AE, I noticed a change. The change began with AE's announcement of merging with ED and was rapidly accelerated by the EDF's crossover to the AEF. The real problem here seems to be that the community has changed. Before ED's merge, ED was made up of friends of friends who originated from the creators of the game's friends. It grew slowly from there with people that were mostly asked to join from friends, people who the pre-existing players deemed mature enough to join. It was pretty much invite only if you look at it that way. Because of this, the community was mostly made up of people who were very supportive of ED. With the AE merge, ED's community had been mixed with a larger community of some mature, but mostly immature people. Because of this, they have had to punish the immature people along with the mature people who have been supportive of ED from the very beginning. That has caused hate, anger, and rage to flow from both parties, creating the pool of flamming and trolling we swim in today. All of that mixed with the fact that ED is a small game with a large community. Its really impossible to satisfy everyone. And yet, many don't realize it. It took me a while to realize it. And yes, I'll admit it. I joined after the announcement because I was a old fan of AE. I started playing AE games around 4 years ago. During my time under the AE umbrella, I've played a bit of all of their games. I simply saw ED as another fun game to hang out in with friends. I never anticipated what the AE merge would do to ED.

Also, to those who have stayed loyal and supportive ED fans on the forums, I tip my hat to you. I've often fallen from that stance and said things even now I regret. Please continue to be a beacon in this fog of hate and misunderstanding.

Before this topic gets taken down because of the trolling and flamming posts that will probably ensue, I simply ask whoever deletes this to read my words and consider what I have said. I'm not trying to flame or troll AE or ED in any way, I'm just offering my simple perspective on our current community problem. Its up to you to try to think of a solution. I wish you the best of luck with this task.


-Soul

< Message edited by soul sythe11 -- 8/13/2011 19:33:10 >
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8/13/2011 19:40:07   
Lord Barrius
Member
 

 I'm going to let this run, actually, provided that the focus remains on the game itself (as this is a game discussion board).

Forum policy discussions should not come up in here, it should, as I've noted, be sent to my PM inbox instead. Provided this doesn't turn into a forum policy discussion and remains focused on the game's changes over the course of its history, it's perfectly within forum rules.
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8/13/2011 19:55:34   
DeathGuard
Member

Well, first nice post and second, this is an issue is a reality.
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8/13/2011 19:58:50   
Fay Beeee
Member

Soul

Well I was one of the 'not invited' :)
As with all groups, family (the invited ones) will automatically be loyal and support.
Those that come after, will learn loyalty. Then it will be their choice to support or leave.

Now we also have groups that do not really 'get it'. I am sure they will given time. :)

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8/13/2011 20:57:38   
LANDIS
BATORO! Huge in Gothpan
quote:

With the AE merge, ED's community had been mixed with a larger community of some mature, but mostly immature people. Because of this, they have had to punish the immature people along with the mature people who have been supportive of ED from the very beginning.

I'd agree with some aspects of your premise, namely that that the ED Community is larger and that "Its really impossible to satisfy everyone". It's because of this that whenever a significant change occurs in-game (and in the forums where its discussed) that there will often be some disappointment and backlash.

This is expected, accepted and even encouraged provided the options and criticisms are communicated in constructive and respectful ways. It only becomes an issue if behaviors expressing the disappointment, in-game and on the forums, are inappropriate/disrespectful or are in violation of the in-game and forum rules.

I have played ED through several phases. I have moderated ED in-game, on the old EDF and on the new AE ED Forums. While it is true that both the ED in-game and forum communities used to be smaller I can assure you that they still had their fair share of people who had no respect for the rules or their fellow players. There was plenty of flaming and trolling throughout every phase of ED, in-game and on the forums. To suggest that the new members of the ED Community (that have joined since the merge with AE) are "mostly immature people" and primarily responsible for the flaming, trolling and rule-breaking is to discount the other negative players and posters that came before them. They have just as much a hand in creating "the pool of flaming and trolling".

To clarify, in-game and forum moderators don't "punish the immature people along with the mature people". A player's maturity level is irrelevant as long as they follow the rules and respect the terms and conditions of the games they play. They must agree to do so to play them. If they don't keep that agreement they receive consequences. I know veteran players and forum members and I know those who are very new to the ED Community. I have seen individuals from each cohort be upstanding posters and players, offering constructive criticism and being kind and helpful to others. I have also seen members from each group be disrespectful, trollish and inflammatory. No one in the ED Community holds the monopoly on being appropriate or inappropriate.

I believe the larger volume of flaming and trolling may be related to the fact that the ED Community is growing, meaning there will be more members that exhibit both good and bad behavior. Often it's the squeaky wheel that gets the grease/the people who cause the most problems that are focused on/remembered/given greater attention. Also, because ED is still very much in the development phase, (and is regularly faced with challenges that result in release delays) more players have become frustrated and are expressing that frustration.

Some of those players choose to communicate their frustrations and concerns in a constructive way. Others either don't know how to express their anger and disappointment respectfully, are tired of making the effort to do so, or don't care to try. They let rip whatever they are feeling with no regard for the rules or others emotions. They aim to hurt and belittle, in hopes that this will make them feel better (or the targets of their rage feel worse) and motivate those they believe are in the wrong to change. These individuals' frustration are completely understandable but it doesn't excuse the disrespectful way in which they choose to express it.

I am very grateful for the members of the ED Community who respect each other in-game and on the forums. I believe they are actually the majority but are often overshadowed/drowned out by the inflammatory, trollish "squeaky wheels". I think the ED Community is an integral part of AE and will continue to grow in a positive direction. Every one of us are a part of that, the old and the new, and as long as we treat each other with patience, kindness and respect, we'll stay on the right track.

< Message edited by LANDIS -- 8/13/2011 21:18:01 >

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8/13/2011 21:16:13   
frogbones
Banned
quote:

I believe the larger volume of flaming and trolling may be related to the fact that the ED Community is growing, meaning there will be more members that exhibit both good and bad behavior.


Going by sheer server numbers alone, I don't see much evidence that there are more players joining ED. The "bad behavior," as you put it, is simply an outgrowth of how the game has been managed. And secondly ...

quote:

Also, because ED is still very much in the development phase, (and is regularly faced with challenges that result in release delays) more players have become frustrated and are expressing that frustration.


... is gasoline on the fire. For a game to be in a "development phase" (for waaaay too long, btw, but I digress) AND charge premium prices only exacerbates the situation.

Lastly, in a PvP game, all that matters is balance. It's what the game revolves around. So when new releases focus on trivial issues, such as houses and updated art and becoming Famous, players are understandably irked. Couple that with the smattering of releases that cost heaps of Varium (or even larger quantities of credits) to take advantage of, and viola!, you have all the ingredients for making a dissatisfied player base.

Give us Balance, or give us death!
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8/13/2011 21:38:41   
soul sythe11
Member

@Landis

I can see your point there. I like your "squeaky wheels" example. It is often the few that ruin it for the whole. The situation in the middle east is an unfortunate example of that. Perhaps I have fallen for that illusion. Nether the less, its undeniable that things in the EDF have gotten worse over time. The explanation seems to be an increase of "squeaky wheels" and the size of the community. What originally gave me the impression that the immature people immigrating into ED were at fault was...well...the AQW forums namely. When ever I take a look at those forums I see the majority of people not speaking in complete sentences. Their posts riddled with spelling and grammar mistakes. Most of them probably under the age of 11. They always seem to be asking for something or flamming the staff. Those are the kind of people that seem to be filling the AEF. Those are the kind of people I saw flooding into ED. Its not just the AEF that is filled with these "squeaky wheels" though. Often when I play I run into similar characters. People who act immaturely and can't take a loss with pride. Often times they resort to swearing and insults. I usually report those people when I can but I seem to be running into too many of those people these days. Perhaps these qualities on the forums could be linked to the fact that this is a PvP game. Where your objective is to beat your opponent. There is no fixing that though, that's ED's battle style. Its a fun game when your matched against a respectable person and that's the content I play this game for. Of course these are all just perspectives of what may be going on. Often times a problem is routed in many sources. Solving whatever may be causing this will be a hard task indeed. Whoever takes action and tries to fix these things will probably be hated. So again I'll say it, I wish whomever attempts to fix up this community situation the best of luck.
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8/13/2011 21:47:42   
kwj3
Member

Needs more mods for each phase of ED. Too many spammers, less people with ban hammers.
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8/13/2011 22:00:29   
nico0las
Member

The game is fun, definitely.
When it merged with AE, it became victim to a large group of vicious, angry players who wouldn't take no for an answer. As you said, it is impossible to please everyone, and I've accepted that. The game is a combat engine. Releases, although fun, are really unimportant. It adds variety to the game, but adding variety to a battle engine is like teaching a dog to walk on two legs: looks nice, entertaining, but really, I don't think it's very useful. Getting carried away.
I'm not going to say ED's player count fell since it first merged, but there's been a very slight decrease.
I love the game nonetheless. A larger team, more releases (I'm such a hypocrite), and it should be great.
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8/14/2011 0:19:30   
redxtra
Member

yea it is hard to satisfy everyone.
because it aint like theres a high demand for one thing.
theres a high demand for a lot of things.
and because of this everyone starts flaming each other because either its between two opposing ideas or two opposing groups of people.
an example would be the week before tesla armor was released. (the founder vs non founder saga in my words)

quote:

People who act immaturely and can't take a loss with pride. Often times they resort to swearing and insults.


this is true and what happened in this one week. and sadly it kinda what goes on every day.
like i already see this in my head that when the balance update is applied and a class other than TLM is the better class then there will be more flaming and insulting about that one class being OPed. And this brings me to my conclusion that now, no matter what you do there will always be one little thing that cant be ignored and will be stressed in the EDF
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8/14/2011 11:04:48   
Midnightsoul
Member

i miss ED's old times. even though i came from, i wasnt one of those mean ppl. T_T
u know, i'd be glad if there like some kind of peace organization in the game because i have to admit most of the ppl that were immature are 99.9% from AQW. sadly, im part of the .1%....
DF AQW Epic  Post #: 11
8/14/2011 13:40:56   
Retrosaur
Member
 

 Sorry, I feel differently. This game is pretty trippy, which I like, but I would have never known about EpicDuel without AE, who introduced ED to all it's players. I remember the old forums, with player's HUGGGGGEEEEEEEEEE signatures and the many funny builds, that today, would seem useless.

I saw AE's merger with ED as a great thing, because it increased the player base (albeit with some younger players), but that's really the point, it was to increase the revenue AE got.
AQW Epic  Post #: 12
8/15/2011 2:03:02   
godsblade62
Member

I joined epicdeul because of the merge with AE. When i joined there was a certain feel ED and each fight was entertaining and had a tinge of creativity. Now a days there is has been a surge of people using generic builds that are only guaranteed for winning. I dont really think this is gonna be a problem that will be able to be fixied in a short amount of time. The immaturity of some players can be frustrating and to be honest i reckon they should fix up some words that are blocked every once in a while and implement a chat ban for players who disobey the rules ( but i know this wil be hard because of teamwork in 2v2). I have no solid suggestions atm because these problems we are facing have run very deep and cannot be solved in a short amount of time...

AQ/AQW players have probably brought this problem and i guess it may be a long time before they are fixed

< Message edited by godsblade62 -- 8/15/2011 2:08:04 >
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