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11/19/2011 20:24:29   
TurkishIncubus
Member

Seriously i wonder what is the super, ultra , extreamly awesome strategy that everybody uses against tlm and cant win it

Every Nerf thread ppl tell str tlm requires 0 strategy , we use super strategies , they use nothing

well STR TLM is a build that can use

Field Medic - Double strike - Maul - Technician - Smoke - Frenzy - Atom smasher

and it can use these in unlimited combos with the help of reroute Ex: Smoke-atom-field medic-frenzy , Technician - smoke - maul , Smoke - Maul - double ...... unlimited strategy for different circumstance


So what is the "super strategy" to beat tlm that i dont know and every nerf demander talk about?

No seriously i really wonder

Smoke- strike -strike- Massacre???
Reflex - Firebolt???
What?

I want a prove str tlm is not strategical.Can you give pls.

NOTE: this thread is not about TLM being oped or not pls dont turn it to this , it can be oped because of unlimited strategy but i dont understand why ppl call the class not strategical.

< Message edited by TurkishIncubus -- 11/19/2011 20:26:56 >


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Epic  Post #: 1
11/19/2011 20:33:21   
Wootz
Member

quote:

Every Nerf thread ppl tell str tlm requires 0 strategy , we use super strategies , they use nothing


Actually, it's vice-versa, you use null strategy, we, especially the Hunters use a hell of ultra,super, whatever strategy.

quote:

So what is the "super strategy" to beat tlm that i dont know and every nerf demander talk about?


CH, Max massacre:
Get the first turn, Malf, Static Charge, Auxiliary, Massacre = Dead. No problem. O_O

quote:

I want a prove str tlm is not strategical.Can you give pls.


Who ever said TLM's are strategical.

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The class which is most strategical is Cyber Hunter. 'Nuff said.
AQW Epic  Post #: 2
11/19/2011 20:34:53   
Reki
Member

Finally someone points this out xD
Yes TLM uses strategies just like every other class, and hunters have less than all others actually...I have 3 characters and used all classes so I'm not biased.

People just hate on TLM because they are harder to beat do to more build possibilities that actually do good.

< Message edited by Reki -- 11/19/2011 20:38:35 >
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 3
11/19/2011 20:42:39   
Wootz
Member

@Reki
I never said that I can't beat them. Actually I beat 80% of them, but that's only about my build and strategy. If I get blocked, or my Aux gets deflected, I'm dead.
AQW Epic  Post #: 4
11/19/2011 20:44:07   
goldslayer1
Member

quote:

Actually, it's vice-versa, you use null strategy, we, especially the Hunters use a hell of ultra,super, whatever strategy.

u fail, saying that the class requires no strategy is just fail.
how about u get a 2 year old to play tlm then we will see if it requires strategy.


quote:

CH, Max massacre:
Get the first turn, Malf, Static Charge, Auxiliary, Massacre = Dead. No problem. O_O

wow sounds as null as u claim TLMs stratgy are

seriously the tlms complains are getting annoying
sometimes i wonder if u Q_Q ers will even shut up after tlms are nerfed.
AQW Epic  Post #: 5
11/19/2011 20:44:28   
ND Mallet
Legendary AK!!!


Why do people consider TLMs non strategical? Because a strategical build needs to do something else besides attack and nerf defenses. It's not strategy to get Smoke, Reroute, Hybrid and strike away using Frenzy occasionally. Anyone can do that. Not everyone can use a CH build. When you don't need to put some thought into something, it becomes non strategical. All TLMs I fight spam Smoke and Strike with the occasional Frenzy. I never see a difference unless it's a tank build that spams dex and technician. Tank TLMs are more strategic and all they really do is spam defenses and outlast everything.
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 6
11/19/2011 20:47:06   
goldslayer1
Member

quote:

All TLMs I fight spam Smoke and Strike with the occasional Frenzy.

those are str tlms. i seen tanks and support.
but what about str bh?
smoke strike and mass. i guess tlm isn't strategical but BH is.
and what about focus BH?
all they spam is smoke, reflex and emp. (along with robot of course)
AQW Epic  Post #: 7
11/19/2011 20:49:06   
Autumms
Member

The only way I can see this is your posting to defend TLM saying it's not Op'ed so I won't say anything as I can't really be bothered having a flame war.
Epic  Post #: 8
11/19/2011 20:52:51   
goldslayer1
Member

quote:

The only way I can see this is your posting to defend TLM saying it's not Op'ed so I won't say anything as I can't really be bothered having a flame war.

no thats just my way of saying if u spent so much time making builds for other classes as u Q_Q about tlms then u would have a good build to counter them by now.
AQW Epic  Post #: 9
11/19/2011 20:54:28   
Wootz
Member

I'll just post this:

quote:

I never said that I can't beat them. I beat 80% of TLM's if they don't Block me, or deflect me.
The thing is why I beat them is that my Massacre does 119 Damage. So even if they had 40 resistance, I still do 60+ damage on them which is better then Mortal Kombat's Fatality. ;)
I mean, it's easy for me, once I found a build that matches every possible build that TLM's have laid on me.
Do you want to know what that build is?
It's a realy abuse. Abuse of Malfuncion, Static Charge and Massacre.
So, just ignore all of my previous statements how TLM's are OP'd.


Sincerely
~Wootz
AQW Epic  Post #: 10
11/19/2011 21:04:56   
nico0las
Member

I agree that TLMs are NOT OP. However, people think they are OP for the sole reason that the skills work together so well. As a hunter, I can't have a debuff, a shield, and mana regain. You have to choose 2/3. TLM has all three, and that's a gap too large for any class to span.
I have no trouble beating TLMs provided one thing: I go first. CH is arguably the best class when we go first. It's hard to explain why.

It's been deemed OP because it's so common, and all variations of the build work.

@AQW that's what makes us the best ;)

< Message edited by nico0las -- 11/19/2011 22:39:20 >
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 11
11/19/2011 21:06:59   
Wootz
Member

Because we are able to do a lot of damage in a short time, loop it, and do it over again.
I did an level 3 Massacre 3 times on Armor Hazzard with Fay Bee.
AQW Epic  Post #: 12
11/19/2011 22:31:02   
AQWPlayer
Member

quote:

The class which is most strategical is Cyber Hunter. 'Nuff said.

Agreed. A few days ago I have tried making a CH build, and it was harder than I have ever thought. With a specific amount of energy regained with static, there can be a large varierty of combos, AKA strategy. People say TLM is OP because most of them use stat+class abusing but no strategy, and people say CH is UP because they can't use it to it's full extent.
AQW  Post #: 13
11/19/2011 23:00:24   
DeathGuard
Member

Well, I will make a post with sense so please take a look at it.
Tlms have several skills that help them increase their damage, defense, health and energy regainer. Hybrids offers a +13 def/res depending on which chosen, and still the Devs arrange the skill with one more buffing skill, technician, HOHO! Now, health regainer? Great, a skill that costs 12 energy and that regains almost the same hp as bloodlust, inflicts damage and when it crits, they gain higher health, and they almost always crit by luck. Energy regainer? Hmmm, reroute... reminds me of Tech Mage being crushed while they regaining higher energy.. They got so many counter attacks and so many defensive and helpful skills in just one single skill tree.
Now the several builds they can use:
-Strength: Uses a mix of smokescreen, frenzy, double strike, sometimes field medic and atom smash.
-Support: Uses a mix of max multi, field medic, technician, smokescreen, sometimes frenzy
-Tank/5 Focus:Uses awhole variety of skills and use tecnician in lvls 3-5

Now say me a class that can have all that? None, they got it so easy they don't even have to use a strategy but spam stats.

< Message edited by DeathGuard -- 11/19/2011 23:01:16 >
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 14
11/19/2011 23:33:43   
FrostHS
Banned


You try being a Cyber and saying that TLM is strategical. You have fun trying to prove a point as you will be trying for a very LONG time. BH has more strategy than Almost any TLM build, almost everyone knows this. Oh and it takes about 6k just to find a CH build, and have it be destroyed by STR abusing TLM noobs
AQW Epic  Post #: 15
11/19/2011 23:56:30   
goldslayer1
Member

quote:

You try being a Cyber and saying that TLM is strategical. You have fun trying to prove a point as you will be trying for a very LONG time. BH has more strategy than Almost any TLM build, almost everyone knows this. Oh and it takes about 6k just to find a CH build, and have it be destroyed by STR abusing TLM noobs

i guess u were never here when str BH builds were used by almost everyone in mid gamma.
all it would do is smoke, strike strike and mass.
every build has its "chorus" which repeats in like every battle.
while only some do more than a "chorus"

and everyone knows this
saying that BH has more strategy than tlm is just plain stupid. because yes i do use smoke strike strike mass strategy sometimes.
but thats only if the situation allows it. if i have to bend off from the usual strategy then i still have no problems.


quote:

Tlms have several skills that help them increase their damage, defense, health and energy regainer. Hybrids offers a +13 def/res depending on which chosen, and still the Devs arrange the skill with one more buffing skill, technician, HOHO! Now, health regainer? Great, a skill that costs 12 energy and that regains almost the same hp as bloodlust, inflicts damage and when it crits, they gain higher health, and they almost always crit by luck. Energy regainer? Hmmm, reroute... reminds me of Tech Mage being crushed while they regaining higher energy.. They got so many counter attacks and so many defensive and helpful skills in just one single skill tree.
Now the several builds they can use:

1) i never agreed that technician should be on tlm because they already had hybrid.
2) frenzy can be blocked and all requires a huge amount of str in order to regain as much hp a bloodlust would do in a match.
another thing, bloodlust works for all attacks not just primary like frenzy does. and frenzy requires a maul.
3) if they crit, dont blame the class, blame ur crap ass luck factors
4) reroute gets u less energy if ur tanking. and thats what hybrid provides so they get less energy than tech mages.
5) comparing tlms to tech mage is pretty stupid, simply because of the fact that tech mage has more burst defense and a better chain of attacks than tlms do.

quote:

-Strength: Uses a mix of smokescreen, frenzy, double strike, sometimes field medic and atom smash.
-Support: Uses a mix of max multi, field medic, technician, smokescreen, sometimes frenzy
-Tank/5 Focus:Uses awhole variety of skills and use tecnician in lvls 3-5

only ur tank/str wannabes use field medic. i never used field medic and dont need a reason to start now
most smart supports that actually beatened me never used technician. and the energy consumption for field medic, smoke, frenzy, and artillery is too great.
AQW Epic  Post #: 16
11/20/2011 0:06:03   
DeathGuard
Member

quote:

1) i never agreed that technician should be on tlm because they already had hybrid.
2) frenzy can be blocked and all requires a huge amount of str in order to regain as much hp a bloodlust would do in a match.
another thing, bloodlust works for all attacks not just primary like frenzy does. and frenzy requires a maul.
3) if they crit, dont blame the class, blame ur crap ass luck factors
4) reroute gets u less energy if ur tanking. and thats what hybrid provides so they get less energy than tech mages.
5) comparing tlms to tech mage is pretty stupid, simply because of the fact that tech mage has more burst defense and a better chain of attacks than tlms do

1.) Who said you agreed LOL
2.)lol, with high strength and medium def, yeah, if my lucks sucks, there is no way I will block, thats crap to say I will block it.
3.)I'm not blaming my luck factors, little kid
4.)They're so intelligente they use max reroute, ROFL!
5.)First, I didn't compare them, I said
quote:

Hmmm, reroute... reminds me of Tech Mage being crushed while they regaining higher energy..
Come on dude, your mom didnt teach you to learn?
quote:

simply because of the fact that tech mage has more burst defense and a better chain of attacks than tlms do
From where you take that conclusion? Such a troll...
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 17
11/20/2011 0:14:07   
goldslayer1
Member

quote:

1.) Who said you agreed LOL
2.)lol, with high strength and medium def, yeah, if my lucks sucks, there is no way I will block, thats crap to say I will block it.
3.)I'm not blaming my luck factors, little kid
4.)They're so intelligente they use max reroute, ROFL!
5.)First, I didn't compare them, I said


1) im just letting u know as far as the skill tree goes i dont think technician should be there
3) ur right ur blaming tlm for ur bad luck.
4) u see me using maxx reroute? i never went above lvl 6 with reroute and tlm
5) no sounded like u were comparing.

quote:

From where you take that conclusion? Such a troll..

from the fact that when they tried a support build, smoke screen ran on tech, while malf ran on support. tech mages had DA for extra gun damage, while tlm had to use artillery which costed more energy. and how tlm has a steady tanking capability while tech mage can pup up a +35-40 defense from a lvl 1-3 defense matrix (which tanked more than most tlms using high support)
so before calling me a troll, please read ur class and actually make sense when writting something.
AQW Epic  Post #: 18
11/20/2011 1:39:08   
Lectrix
Member

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