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1/26/2012 7:34:06   
Lord Machaar
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Didn't you just get enough of nerfing "Support"...and support referring to support build so during my long-time playing in game (I have never ever seen an ED moderator Using a support build) this is just showing me up that you actually don't give a big importance to this build... Actually instead of making it better... you are making worst/ It's one of the Effective builds in team battles and juggernaut and many of you know that... so i guess this balance tracker disappoint me really bad ... Because i thought it gonna Fix all "Wrong balances" but as i see...
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1/26/2012 8:52:04   
Stabilis
Member

Effective or powerful? Support is the most err... multi-functional stat but aside from scaling damage and the effectiveness of support improving skills, support can be either very useless or useful. I really can't give a definite answer for that stat because it has to be the biggest source of luck in the game.
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1/26/2012 11:40:24   
Ranloth
Banned


 How is it a nerf?
It loses Deflection BUT it gives more points into other things it improves, so if Crit was increased by 13% at 100 Support (example), it will be raised slightly. Same with going first, and so on.
Besides, I'm still a Support build and as a TM, it's quite strong. I have high'ish Tech so I'm good, but most of the builds have reasonable Tech and Support (Support builds) or others have just Tech, so they will get better deal out of it. Not everything is a nerf.
Lastly, why does it matter if member of the Team uses Support build or not? Does that mean if they use Support build, Str is to be nerfed next by a lot? Do not judge the changes before it's out or even know exact details how it will work. Deflection might end up weaker when using Tech, will that satisfy you? You don't know, as it's not out.

Also, 3/4 of my chars are Support builds btw..
AQ Epic  Post #: 3
1/26/2012 12:21:42   
axiel
Member

^ isnt tech mage weak with support now that heal was nerfed really bad - that's what made me change ( healing is very important to techmage besides people had the choice to abuse support or str so why would they only nerf 1 stat the luck factor ? )
dex is also a luck based stat why don't they nerf that ... overall the ed balance team made some poor choices but im fine with it -
just the thing i hated most was leaving techmage , and why have a support build when you can have a supercharge build that gets blocks and is very strong ? - well that's not how i roll ;)

DJ~ ( btw is support nerfed ,im not sure - even though im a str cyber hunter i still got a lot of support because i was using techmage /support weps so the update will affect me )

*basicly its took out deflection and added a better chance to go 1st crit etc ?*

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1/26/2012 12:50:45   
Ranloth
Banned


 Let me explain it in simpler way for us to understand:
Support affects blocking slightly IIRC, crits, and going first. Currently it also does deflection.
If we were to give each perk 1 points, that'd mean Support has 4 perks and 1 point in each. If we take one perk out, there's 1 spare point and it cannot be left out so it will be used to improve other skills. Ashari said that it won't be simply taking out deflection and nothing else, Support will be changed so it remains still good.
About SC build, it's personal preference. What if you keep getting EMP'd and cannot cast SC? You get lower Support most likely so you cannot tank with Matrix, or have good Malf which Support build take advantage of. In longer fights, I can tank a lot (and heal) as well as keep dealing good damage.

And no, TM isn't that weak. I use 110 HP Tank build (you can see it in BS) with about 100 Support total and Heal at L5. I heal 44 HP which is good with E Armor and high Matrix as I can tank, heal quite well and still fight good. I can counter some CHs with easy strategy, doesn't always work but it's really easy with Rage + Aux + Support build.

Dex is kinda odd skill now but it only affects blocking, you can't take that out but change it slightly. Although it'd be a lot more fun if STR affected our primary weapons, DEX for Guns and Support for Aux. A lot more variety and STR builds wouldn't dominate as much.
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1/26/2012 13:36:39   
Oba
Member

Another reason for players to go 5 focus/tank. Yea, we really needed that.
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1/26/2012 14:28:41   
Stabilis
Member

^ How so? I want to argue that. Seems controversial.
AQ Epic  Post #: 7
1/26/2012 14:32:08   
IsaiahtheMage
Member

^Is it not obvious? Dex improves def and block chance. Now Tech will improve deflect chance and it improves res. And now their coming out with a brand new and probably OPed bot. 5 Focus Tank users will be Super OPed having the ability to block AND deflect a lot and have a beasty bot. I'm pretty sure Tanks are about to be more OPed then ever.
AQW Epic  Post #: 8
1/26/2012 15:08:13   
Ranloth
Banned


 I used Focus 5 build twice, as TM and TLM (previous TLM, before changes) and honestly it was OP'ed but at same time it sucked. Missing Gamma Bot before cooldowns was pain, and now with cooldown it's even worse.
I have 24-29 Res and Def, 110 HP and very high Support (100ish) so I'm basically Support build. My Focus is 2, yet I beat CHs and Focus 5 easily? Latter is almost all the time. Yeah I know Tanks have more Res and Def (nearing 30 probably) but fact my Matrix at Lvl 3 gives me +33 Def is quite an advantage of Support. -48 Malf on top of it, boosted Gun by DA and Malf + Aux combo.
Tanks will be more effective than ever - so non-Support builds had to suffer with no deflects? Only Str builds sacrifice defence for damage, most of the builds should have reasonable Tech to protect effectively which is nearly always trained to even meet requirements. While Support isn't always trained if you don't need it..
Last point, you don't know how strong Deflection will be. It might deflect less than Support did, yet you judge before you even know?
AQ Epic  Post #: 9
1/26/2012 15:09:49   
Oba
Member

quote:

How so? I want to argue that. Seems controversial.


IsaiahtheMage said it, lol.

Dex improve block, and.. I guess hit rate, and defence.
And tech will now improve resistance, deflections and as a 5 focus build is a bot your strongest attack, and with tech, bot dmg increases. Some TLM tanks also use Surgical Strike, which also improves with tech (I guess we will see more players using that skill now).

< Message edited by playarn -- 1/26/2012 15:12:16 >
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1/26/2012 15:18:54   
Stabilis
Member

^
quote:

Dex improves def and block chance. Now Tech will improve deflect chance and it improves res. And now their coming out with a brand new and probably OPed bot. 5 Focus Tank users will be Super OPed having the ability to block AND deflect a lot and have a beasty bot. I'm pretty sure Tanks are about to be more OPed then ever.


Yes, the technology demeanour in a focus player is improved. However, there will still be an equilibrium (in power). A focus user as defined uses all 4 stats. Because of this, they do not gain or lose any abilities as their deflection is essentially transferred to another stat except that they are in balance. So, the focus user in this regard does not lose nor gain any improvements. About the bot, however, I think we can agree that we will not know how this bot works as of yet other than being an offensive piece. I can not comment on the issue as I have no information on the topic. The thing you may be implying is that support users will become slightly hindered, and potentially change classes. If I had access to battle tracker I would check to see just how many support users there are right now. I can imagine less than 100 (100 being the most), so theoretically 100 players could choose focus as their new play type.

< Message edited by greenrain13 -- 1/26/2012 15:20:19 >
AQ Epic  Post #: 11
1/26/2012 15:23:34   
Oba
Member

quote:

I can imagine less than 100 (100 being the most), so theoretically 100 players could choose focus as their new play type.


And that is exactly what I ment. I didnt say that 5 focus will get OP, but it will get better then support builds. And then will the support users, switch to 5 focus and we will get even more 5 focus players, and the game become even more dead and boring.. :]

quote:

A focus user as defined uses all 4 stats. Because of this, they do not gain or lose any abilities as their deflection is essentially transferred to another stat except that they are in balance.


When I was a TLM, and played with a 5 focus build, I used way more tech then support. Support was something I got like 45+..15 (and +25 at most), while I had +40-isch tech, 20-30 dex and barely any str. Since its (in my opinion) better to have a strong bot and a high resistance and defence in a 5 focus build, + Surgical Strike.

This was a good build, and now when more tech gives higher chance to deflect, it will get even stronger and more people will change to a build like that.

< Message edited by playarn -- 1/26/2012 15:47:48 >
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1/26/2012 16:13:10   
Stabilis
Member

^
quote:

And that is exactly what I ment. I didnt say that 5 focus will get OP, but it will get better then support builds. And then will the support users, switch to 5 focus and we will get even more 5 focus players, and the game become even more dead and boring.. :]


Oops, sorry if I had mis-typed my grammar... making it misleading. What I meant to say was that focus players barely change at all unless they choose to give technology as much as a bonus as possible (but at the same time this could take away from their support stat).

Also, I'd like to say technology in a tlm focus build is a good choice. With technician, when we used to have it, made my gamma bot exceptional... just exceptional.
AQ Epic  Post #: 13
1/26/2012 17:14:42   
rej
Member

I haven't been able to tell one way or the other if the upcoming support update will be nerf, but I am definitely leaning towards nerf.

Anyone with a shred of common sense knows that support is currently the least useful stat to use. Strength far outstrips it for offensive power, and tech/dex each grant increased protection, as well as a multitude of other perks.

If this balance update truly is a nerf, then all I can say is this: Shame on whoever was foolish enough to design the change.

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AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 14
1/26/2012 17:14:41   
goldslayer1
Member

i would rather not comment on this change so that i dont express my disappointment of it.
AQW Epic  Post #: 15
1/26/2012 17:17:22   
Stabilis
Member

^ How is your technology stat right now?
AQ Epic  Post #: 16
1/26/2012 17:25:40   
goldslayer1
Member

@green
ill discuss balance (from what its seen from the info we were given)

ch tanks will now have bigger advantage with high tech and malf. along with high dex for blocks.

as for tlms and BH, if they use high dex and tech, they both get a huge smokescreen.
which increase hit rate for BH and tlm.
but tlm has surgical.

and all of these 3 classes (bh ch and tlm)
have poison making it easy for high damage while tanking.
as their strike, gun, and aux would be weak. they will depend on skills and bot.
overall in a 5 focus duel, tlm and CH have equal tanking capabilities,
CH has more energy pool tho.
but tlm has the higher hit rate due to smokescreen. while CH has higher deflect chance with malf.

basically in an order of what classes aren't affected much by this, to the ones getting screwed i would say

TLM/CH
BH
mage
merc
bloodmage

merc at its best chance might be a physical armor with super high tech (and lower dex)
along with a bunker and surgical strike. (a tech CH/bh would destroy it with EMP tho)
AQW Epic  Post #: 17
1/26/2012 17:29:18   
Illuminator
Member

Please keep all balance related discussion in the official balance thread. To discuss things that are in the upcoming update please use the design notes thread.

locked.
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