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3/8/2012 7:13:26   
Carsm
Member

The current Suggestions Forum for AQW is terrible. One post in an overcrowded thread isn't enough to foster creative ideas. The community have some fantastic ideas, but feel as though they are not listened to in the current format, as their suggestions are often lost in the ocean of posts.

Simply create sub forums in the AQWorlds Suggestions forum for armour ideas, functionality, feature / interface, etc. then allow us to create our own threads within these sub forums. This will allow players to receive feedback for their suggestions and other players will help build their ideas. It will also allow AE to easily view popular ideas based on the amount of activity and positive feedback within the thread.

I'm bound to get a response highlighting all the effort it would take to moderate these forums, so I'll answer it beforehand. Dozens of threads in AQWorlds Discussion are created daily to suggest ideas, simply because players aren't content with the current format of the Suggestions Forum. This would get rid of those posts. There will also need to be more moderators for the Suggestion Forum, but there are a lot of people eager for that sort of punishment.


Doing this will encourage players to contribute their ideas and will give birth to many original and intelligent suggestions that can improve the game.


I'm sure the Suggestions Forums in other games are lacking also, but I'm not as focused on those games as I am on AQW.
AQW Epic  Post #: 1
3/8/2012 8:25:17   
Therril Oreb
Legendary AdventureGuide!


 Every suggestion given in AQW suggestions is read by game staff and forum staff alike. There isn't a single suggestion not been looked at. But the staff cannot put every singe suggestion in the game for it would be too much work. Making the subforums would help little for instead of a thread with hundreds of suggestions, you get a subforum with hundreed of threads each with only 1 or little more suggestions. This gives more work for everyone.

The fact people post suggestion in the General Discussion thread only means they did not read the rules of that forum. It is the same for every game. Dragonfable for example has no suggestion forum at all anymore and sometimes a suggestion is made in General Discussion there. It gets handled by an AK and explained why they cannot post their suggestion. Same goes for every game.

I will repeat it once more, no suggestion is being overlooked. Some are just not what the staff is looking for and others are just too time consuming. Be patient and perhaps one day your suggestion gets in. That is all I can offer you :)
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3/9/2012 1:53:52   
Carsm
Member

I'm not posting this because one of my suggestions hasn't been put into the game. I don't even bother suggesting my ideas because the forum is dreadful and by far the worst suggestions forum of any game I've encountered. I have posted a suggestion here because I can receive feedback and expand on my post more. People can also tell me whether they agree / disagree with me - as you have done - allowing me to argue my case and improve my idea.

I have already addressed the more work argument, as I knew it would appear. Hire more moderators. There are always more people who would be happy to do this.

Most people who post suggestions in General Discussion know perfectly well what they are doing, but try and camouflage the suggestion as a discussion.

I would also like to make it clear that I am not suggesting this because one of my suggestions wasn't added to the game, nor appealing for moderator status. I can assure you I am in perfect mental health and therefore have no wish to become a moderator.
AQW Epic  Post #: 3
3/9/2012 1:59:28   
BlackAces
Member

quote:

Hire more moderators. There are always more people who would be happy to do this.

This isn't as simple as you think it is Carsm. Moderators are chosen based on a criteria and they simply can't just hire more moderators just because there are people who would be happy to do it.

< Message edited by BlackAces -- 3/9/2012 2:05:06 >
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3/9/2012 3:08:05   
PyroPuppy
Adorable!


 On top of the said before by Therril Oreb, AQW suggestions is divided into functionality suggestion and art suggestions. You can get art feedback in the CA section of the forums, where members can post their art and comment on others.
As for functionality suggestions, there is no reason to comment on them. You suggest something because you think it is a good suggestion, you don't need to get approval from other members of the forums, but from AE staff themselves.
Therefore, members don't need the option to comment on a suggestion, since AE can decide by themselves what to do with it, and as it was said before all of the suggestions are looked at.
I believe the only game with an open suggestion forum is AQ, since it has the maturest community (in my opinion) and it is completely relied on balance of the items, nothing else.
In the current format of AQW, where most of the suggestions are pure art, there is no reason to make a whole new sub forum while another sub forum dedicated to art exists and functions.
AQ DF MQ AQW  Post #: 5
3/10/2012 5:36:42   
Carsm
Member

If I wanted to play dress up, I'd play with my sister's Barbie dolls. AQW needs improvements in class balance, class skill trees and many more functionality and feature / interface updates, not more fashion contests.

Having individual threads ensures popular ideas can be recognised by AE. Then hopefully we'll have more meaningful updates, rather than AC rare shops and fishing.

The players are the ones who know what they want, this will only ensure they are properly heard.

Honestly, I should probably just go on twitter, that's the best way to suggest ideas.
AQW Epic  Post #: 6
3/10/2012 13:30:58   
Everest
Moving Mountains


 I've let this pass until now but at this point it's necessary for me to tell you that the language you've been using here is not only on the verge of violating forum rules, in all honesty it also just doesn't make us want to acquiesce to your request. If I see you insult the staff again, or use pejorative and non-constructive language again, I'll simply delete the thread and there will likely be further consequences for your actions.

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Having individual threads ensures popular ideas can be recognised by AE. Then hopefully we'll have more meaningful updates, rather than AC rare shops and fishing.

The players are the ones who know what they want, this will only ensure they are properly heard.


The game's staff has specifically requested the current format, because they know what they want to see. That's really all there is to say here.
Post #: 7
3/11/2012 0:24:23   
ND Mallet
Legendary AK!!!


 One thing I want to point out about having threads for a single suggestion is that generally it's filled with simple posts such as Agree or Disagree or any variations of it. Very seldom do I ever see constructive feedback on suggestions threads(at least in the ED section of the forum). Single suggestion threads hardly serve a purpose since the majority of posts in it are just people saying they like/dislike it. Those several dozen posts aren't what the staff are looking for, it's the idea in the first post of that single suggestion thread. It's the staff's final say in implementing things, even if a single suggestion thread showed that 100% of the forum wants this feature(lots of people want trading for example but it's not going to happen).
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 8
3/11/2012 8:32:20   
Carsm
Member

quote:

One thing I want to point out about having threads for a single suggestion is that generally it's filled with simple posts such as Agree or Disagree or any variations of it. Very seldom do I ever see constructive feedback on suggestions threads(at least in the ED section of the forum).

quote:

The ED Suggestions forum is a reply only forum. Each thread solicits specific suggestions and only suggestions should be posted within them.


By the looks of ED forums, they're the same as AQW. You are forbidden from offering constructive feedback on other players' posts.

Agree / disagree posts usually make up the majority of these threads, yes, but these also are useful as they show which ideas as popular. As for implementing the suggestions, it is up to AE to choose which to put in to the game. The main point of a whole thread dedicated to an idea is to mould the idea into something that is suitable to add to the game and players can work together to achieve this.

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The game's staff has specifically requested the current format, because they know what they want to see. That's really all there is to say here.

They want to see snack sized ideas, I can understand that. They're busy, sure. Honestly, most staff of other games wouldn't read every single thread in their suggestions forums. They would only take notice of threads that stand out and demand their attention. This way would probably reduce AE's work load. Well thought out and popular suggestions will be on the first page, while less popular suggestions or ones consisting of a mere few sentences won't draw as much attention.
AQW Epic  Post #: 9
3/11/2012 12:13:47   
ND Mallet
Legendary AK!!!


 People post suggestions outside of the Suggestions forums a lot in ED. A majority of those turn into nothing but spam of agree/disagree. Sometimes they lead to flaming because of conflicting opinions. Also,
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It's the staff's final say in implementing things, even if a single suggestion thread showed that 100% of the forum wants this feature(lots of people want trading for example but it's not going to happen).

The staff doesn't need three thousand players saying that they want a feature. The staff only needs the idea. There is no reason for allowing feedback on threads since if the staff like it, they like it. If they don't, they don't. A couple hundred posters aren't going to change their mind if they feel that it's best to or not to implement an idea.
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 10
3/11/2012 23:17:01   
Carsm
Member

quote:

A couple hundred posters aren't going to change their mind if they feel that it's best to or not to implement an idea.


Bahaha, you actually believe that?
quote:

Design Notes - March 09, 2012

quote:

And speaking of Dage's Birthday Shop we have a LOT of Legionaries who are saying that they would like to see Dage stay in Battleon and celebrate his deathday for a little while longer so we've extended the shop just for you.


Popular opinion has a huge influence on decisions. You're naive to think otherwise.
AQW Epic  Post #: 11
3/12/2012 15:02:51   
ND Mallet
Legendary AK!!!


 @carsm I said what's best for the game. Stuff like trading will lead to increase scamming and will never be implemented regardless of if everyone playing supported it. ED added Captchas to reduce botting much to the refusal of many players yet they still got implemented because that is what's best for the game.
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