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3/12/2012 18:56:37   
Stabilis
Member

I have made a disco-very.

High Health (High Agility) + Thorns = ?

This feature is not as abusive for: M, TacM, CH

But it is abusive for: BH, TM, BM

To fully test the capacity of the Thorns, I have temporarily switched to an armourless class (specifically Blood Mage). After being lol'd at by Midnightsoul and Final Stage I have managed to utilize a working Thorns build:

Approx. 150 Health + 50% Strength + 50% Support + Bloodlust + Deadly Aim + Fireball

Chance is detrimental to survival for my silly build, it definitely has THE best counter against Strength users, however it is easily eradicated by casters and the rare supporters.

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EDITED: Do you think that agility is imbalanced when paired with thorns?

Do discuss.

I've merged similar Threads regarding problems with the BioBorg. Continue discussing, but please stay on-topic. ~Lectrix

< Message edited by Lectrix -- 3/13/2012 0:33:00 >
AQ Epic  Post #: 1
3/12/2012 19:05:21   
Ranloth
Banned


 Harmful? Yes. Overpowered? No.
Sure it will be good for some classes but builds to make it work with the bot will be limited if Bot is debuffed or your opponent has a different class. TLM has Reroute and can use Gun, Aux, Poison, SS, Multi to counter it. Only STR-abusers will be affected by it the most if they mainly rely on Strike-related skills. Build/strategy can work but is also limited as you mentioned.
I quite like it, there could be variety but it's limited as we can see and it's good - unique build that can be fun and strong in a way with noticeable weaknesses.

To be honest, I'd like to see more of these type of combos.
AQ Epic  Post #: 2
3/12/2012 19:27:10   
nico0las
Member

Somewhat. It depends on how much you're going to deal. For a BM, for example, it would destroy them.
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 3
3/12/2012 21:03:51   
Retrosaur
Member
 

 Quite simply smashing I must say dear chap. You've come across such a lucrative build that I simply cannot bring myself to use it (I haven't bought varium gear since the beginning of Delta
AQW Epic  Post #: 4
3/12/2012 21:23:58   
Stabilis
Member

Why thank you my good sir.

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Image tags are not allowed. ~TG

< Message edited by The Game -- 3/12/2012 22:11:14 >
AQ Epic  Post #: 5
3/12/2012 21:26:18   
rej
Member

I'm sure the combination is powerful. However, I am more interested in the bot's applications in Juggernaut. It may prove extraordinarily useful, considering how many low level players use only a primary.

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AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 6
3/12/2012 21:33:24   
Mr. Black OP
Member

^
It might be useful for the lower levels also, one uses yeti's special, the other uses thorns right before one of them dies.
Epic  Post #: 7
3/13/2012 0:09:36   
Rui.
Banned

 

 today i ran into this player with 280 health with full beta items who has gone all support with max deadly aim. He uses the bot special on him. My basic strike bounces back 45 damage. I have a total of 95 health. Does this make sense ? i know i can gun aux and robo. But this is a abuse and needs to be tweaked. I think the bonus from agility is improving the bot damage too.

I've merged similar Threads regarding problems with the BioBorg. Continue discussing, but please stay on-topic. ~Lectrix

< Message edited by Lectrix -- 3/13/2012 0:33:47 >
Post #: 8
3/13/2012 0:12:46   
The Joker X
Member

He's a smart kid lmao. Yea, should be somehow maintained.
AQW Epic  Post #: 9
3/13/2012 0:13:08   
Mr. Black OP
Member

Remove agility and everybody is happy.
Also lowering it from 50% to 33% won't hurt.
Epic  Post #: 10
3/13/2012 0:15:39   
Nub Apocalypse
Member

While he made a build able to defeat you, he sacrificed his ability to win against all other different builds. This is balanced.
Post #: 11
3/13/2012 0:18:02   
BlueKatz
Member

are u sure other build can beat that?
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 12
3/13/2012 0:21:59   
Rui.
Banned

 

 he is not sacrificing agility, he is abusing the extra incoming damage that agility gives to make the robot buff stronger. I hope you understand now.
Moreover with the higher support he starts first. So anyone who tries to smoke or malf him has his health reduced in half. In if you crit ur so screwd.I think the robot special needs to be changed to reflect only normal strike damage and should last 8 turns.

< Message edited by Rui. -- 3/13/2012 0:29:32 >
Post #: 13
3/13/2012 0:25:14   
ND Mallet
Legendary AK!!!


 It's a ridiculously easy build to defeat. Gun, Aux, Bot, ranged skills. Even the level 1 skills will hit 20+ because of the lack of all defense because of no points in defense and Agility. The only problem you could have is if you're a strength build not carrying Azrael bot who foolishly thinks attacking with melee is better than waiting turns for gun/aux cooldowns while he just does 3 damage aside from aux.
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 14
3/13/2012 0:40:22   
BlueKatz
Member

That seems broken, not OP. Generally I hate hard counter build. But I guess that's fun.

Maybe TM can make a high HP Max Tech Caster build. High Tech will help you deflect a lot! Since you cast spell you won't miss. DA or SC might work as well
Bolt can do at least 40 damage and you can cast up to 2 Bolt. SC can hit 60. DM at at least rank 4 is important as well. RR can be at rank 6. 4 left over point can be heal or Maf or DA (I don't think DA will be that effective though)
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 15
3/13/2012 2:56:44   
Remorse
Member

The bot is at no way at all Oped,

Infact I think its uped,
90% of players get around it for at least 2-3 turns menaing the turn watsed to cast it wasnt worth it, and your oppoenent builds up quicker arge because you wasted a turn.

< Message edited by Remorse -- 3/13/2012 2:57:26 >
Epic  Post #: 16
3/13/2012 3:33:18   
Nub Apocalypse
Member

quote:

he is not sacrificing agility, he is abusing the extra incoming damage that agility gives to make the robot buff stronger. I hope you understand now.
Moreover with the higher support he starts first. So anyone who tries to smoke or malf him has his health reduced in half. In if you crit ur so screwd.I think the robot special needs to be changed to reflect only normal strike damage and should last 8 turns.

I said ability not agility. And you're the one who doesn't get the point. The build works only against str builds (20-30% of the population?), he loses to all else. When you're only winning 20-30% of the time, I'd hardly call that OP. I find it hilarious you even reported this is in the Battle Bugs.
Post #: 17
3/13/2012 3:37:52   
Ranloth
Banned


 It affects such a small minority with Beta Gear and the Bot..
Conclusion I came to: Once players find some kind of creativity and uniqueness, kill it. c:
AQ Epic  Post #: 18
3/13/2012 4:33:18   
PivotalDisorder
Member

someone posted this 200 health TLM build using the bot, looks pretty awesome [in theory] but again, I can work around the bot
on all 9 of my characters regardless of build. boosters can waste 2 turns, Field Medic wastes a turn, then gun and aux etc.



< Message edited by PivotalDisorder -- 3/13/2012 4:38:16 >
Post #: 19
3/13/2012 5:14:20   
Ranloth
Banned


 Or skip turns until Gun, Aux, skill, whatever is available. With that HP their damate is so low it should be 3 so skipping turns ain't that bad. There's way around that build and overall, build could be good but easily countered.
AQ Epic  Post #: 20
3/13/2012 5:34:43   
Goony
Constructive!


 lol, this is a classic

This one is not easy to beat ;)
Epic  Post #: 21
3/13/2012 6:12:47   
PivotalDisorder
Member

@Goony: ur kidding right, I fought him earlier, was easiest fight all day.
he used Bio Borg 3 times and I didn't take damage from it once. his def and res is -8 :P hilarious
Post #: 22
3/13/2012 6:59:09   
Arcanis
Member

@Oldfart: Seems he doesn't know your colors :P
AQ MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 23
3/13/2012 7:03:33   
RageSoul
Member

It really depends . I just fought one TM ( click here for his name and don't forget to fame him :D ) and he has a good Caster Build . It took me a few EMPs and a heal . Everytime he uses the BioBorg's special , my strategy was to use Phys. Aux / E. Gun - Phys . Aux / E . Gun - Robot Attack , Strike , rinse and repeat ( the 3 previous move eat up 3 turns of the special ) and there , i won .

P.S - I am not insulting the guy i pwned earlier nor he requested to beg for Fame .
AQW Epic  Post #: 24
3/13/2012 7:03:53   
Fay Beeee
Member

Be nice guys. No need to make it into a playground brawl.

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