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12/27/2012 1:30:52   
NDB
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Ever get mad when you get blocked or deflected on Rage? But then, next turn, your Rage meter is still at 0? What's up with that? Your chances of winning has been reduced drastically and yet you get nothing in return. Normally, when you get blocked or deflected, you gain extra Rage points equal to the amount of damage blocked or deflected, as if the defender had enough defenses to actually negate so much damage.

My suggestion is to let it so there is the same affect on Rage. Not only will it make up for a blocked or deflected Rage (not really, but it will help), even normally, when you aren't blocked or deflected, I think you should still receive Rage points.

Example: You Rage Strike for 30 damage, but is blocked. Next turn, you Rage meter is up 30 points +the amount of damage still negated (like in the example below) instead of being reset at 0.
OR you are fighting a player with 40 defense. You Rage Strike (Physical Damage) for 20 damage+18 from the defense ignored=38 damage. Next turn, your Rage Meter is up 22 points, because the defender still negated 22 damage.

This isn't a very big change, but I think it's fair. Responses? Suggestions?



< Message edited by NDB -- 12/27/2012 2:02:00 >
Epic  Post #: 1
12/27/2012 1:51:46   
RageSoul
Member

Supported , especially if they happen to have ultra low TECH / DEX !
AQW Epic  Post #: 2
12/27/2012 8:15:44   
hawtnezz
Banned

 

 No i do not get mad when my rage gets blocked cause it was my decision to make a blockable attack. I do get back some on my rage meter on deflect. Why should that make me mad? If your max zerk with max adreline is blocked on rage according to you your rage meter will be at 90%. If you want something that gives you a sure 100% damage on rage get the platinum armour. How hard is it to grasp game basics?
If your a non varium player who cant afford a platinum when welcome to the gap!

Edited for typo.

< Message edited by hawtnezz -- 12/27/2012 8:18:03 >
Post #: 3
12/27/2012 9:59:18   
KEzAx
Member

Supported
Nice idea
Epic  Post #: 4
12/27/2012 10:18:10   
King FrostLich
Member

I like this idea. Problem is how will you deal against players who use berzerker, cheap shot, bludgeon and double strike that get blocked? Remember that if that guy is a strength user, they'll recover rage easily especially if they get blocked or deflected by a tank.
Epic  Post #: 5
12/27/2012 17:06:39   
NDB
Member

quote:

No i do not get mad when my rage gets blocked cause it was my decision to make a blockable attack. I do get back some on my rage meter on deflect. Why should that make me mad? If your max zerk with max adreline is blocked on rage according to you your rage meter will be at 90%. If you want something that gives you a sure 100% damage on rage get the platinum armour. How hard is it to grasp game basics?
If your a non varium player who cant afford a platinum when welcome to the gap!


Yes, it was your choice to use an unblockable, but my suggestion also includes deflections. It's hardly your choice unless you use a skill or Chairman (which the majority of players don't have), so you can't have a say if luck decide to step.

And now, first of all, unless you can tell me exactly how you got the conclusion that the player doing this Bezerker will gain 90% Rage if blocked, I don't believe it. Secondly, with the way Rage works currently , if a player were to use MAX Bezerker and get block without Rage, they would also get an extreme amount of Rage points especially with MAX Adrenaline.

Before you say this is OP for strength users, this REALISTICALLY. If a Strength Merc were to get block MAX Rage Berzerker on you, who do you honestly think would win? Both their most powerful attack and Rage attack were both reduced to nothing because of luck. Even with this Rage bonus, which would only speed up their Rage by 2 turns max, they are still very likely lose. And a strength build lasting 6-7+ turns to do 2 Rages with this bonus with those kinds of defenses?

Third, I would like to point out how Rage MAX Berzeker+MAX Adrenaline is completely pushing it to the limit. There is no other possible situation where you'd get more Rage points than this unlikely scenario. Anything at it's highest point is OP.

I don't think you fully understand what I'm trying to get at with this suggestion. Think about it again, in terms of if this will actually help you win. It is simply there to sort of make up for having such an important move to be blocked or deflected. In most cases, although Rage is sped up to make up for this unfortunate event, you a) would still not live long enough to have it. b) not have enough effect to actually speed your Rage up 1+ turns. c) just wouldn't make a difference in the outcome of the battle

And no... I am not a non-varium and I do understand game basics very well. Here's my char page: http://epicduel.artix.com/charpage.asp?id=nodelborgos



< Message edited by NDB -- 12/27/2012 17:30:05 >
Epic  Post #: 6
12/27/2012 20:31:49   
arthropleura
Member

Jesus Christ NBD how many times did you beat snork o_O
I think the system is fine as it is, I have high dex and when ppl use rage melee I laugh, how is it fair if what should've been blocke gives rage because they got blocked?
DF AQW Epic  Post #: 7
12/27/2012 22:20:18   
NDB
Member

^Not everyone is using a Dexterity build obviously, and there is no such thing as "should have been". There's such thing as raising your block chance, but in the end it's still luck. And if you think the system is good as it is is, how do explain why you get extra Rage points when you get block/deflect normally? Block is just a way of saying 0 damage, and if there were such thing as an actual "0" damage in Ed, instead of the minimum of 3, I think that the defender would have to be extremely tanking. It makes sense to get more Rage when your blocked or deflected, and having gotten it on Rage itself is all to more reason to have something to help you win, when the battle has become to unfair.

< Message edited by NDB -- 12/28/2012 3:31:11 >
Epic  Post #: 8
12/28/2012 10:04:50   
hawtnezz
Banned

 

 sure if you wanna test how awesome zerk is do this. Use a level 1 gun. And a level 35 sword or whatever with max enchant of all your items in strength. Use max adreline. Battle snork or some npc your level. Use level 1 gun see your rage meter use zerk and see it jump to 70%. Everyclass has luck factor. Some have high dex ppl call it luck some ppl have high tech that makes then lucky. I have always been a dex fan sadly dex block has been lowered. I wish they get the game back to how it was in early gamma

< Message edited by hawtnezz -- 12/28/2012 10:47:30 >
Post #: 9
12/28/2012 10:15:19   
Stabilis
Member

This suggestion is fine by me.
AQ Epic  Post #: 10
12/28/2012 10:24:06   
Remorse
Member

Seems logical,

By the same token I think critting should add less to your rage then a non crit attack rather then more.

Its hardly fair that with a crit your essentially raging early and on top of that you also get a sped up rage, too game changing.
Epic  Post #: 11
12/28/2012 16:34:33   
NDB
Member

^If I understand correctly, I think that's how it is already.

< Message edited by NDB -- 12/29/2012 18:56:51 >
Epic  Post #: 12
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