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2/13/2013 5:25:28   
Hottie19967
Banned

 

 CHECK THE LEADERBOARD AND MERCS ARE TOP ON 1V1 JUGGERNAUT 2V2 AND EVERYTHING EALSE ITS ALL JUST MERCS
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2/13/2013 5:28:02   
Remorse
Member

Weird really,

How it goes from mercs being hardly ever seen to BAM, mercs destroy everything.


A well overdue STR nerf should fix this though.
Epic  Post #: 2
2/13/2013 5:34:19   
Mother1
Member

@ remorse

Remember it isn't just strength that is OP but support now as well. In two vs two a support merc and really due damage to you especially if that multi hits you and crits. So I think both strength and support need a power down which is sad for the later since support before omega was UP.
Epic  Post #: 3
2/13/2013 6:42:38   
Remorse
Member

^ Support is not overpowered,

I dont consider something powerful to be necessarily overpowered, What I think is overpowered, is when you have so much power in consistency that it become extremely hard to counter without luck.


I would like to point out again, support builds are extremely easy to counter.

So what if they are strong?

Let them me, they add variety, When strong and quick kill builds become an issue is when the players they verse have nothing they can do to defend themselves good enough.

< Message edited by Remorse -- 2/13/2013 6:43:09 >
Epic  Post #: 4
2/13/2013 6:46:38   
theholyfighter
Member

Support is not overpowered IMO, unless they crit more than 2-3 times in a fight.
AQW Epic  Post #: 5
2/13/2013 7:06:00   
Warmaker04
Member
 

 Well the berserk and mass damages must be lowered definataly. And also a BM little
If the berserk is requires with tech and blood commander which dex then that would actually make
Tank builds op and Tank build stack with str build.
AQW Epic  Post #: 6
2/13/2013 7:10:00   
Scyze
Member

Support isn't OP. I used it and it is just relying a lot on criticals and a high damage before your opponent does their high damage.

Other than that, Mercs are kind of OP right now? Well, when I had the same build in Delta (Strength build), no one argued... I do think it is OP right now and it is the old Berzerker BM or something. I hope that there's an update to the Berzerker but I don't want it to completely be useless like how much Fireball is.
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 7
2/13/2013 7:16:42   
Blitzex/Sr. Zeph
Banned


 ^ Fireball isnt useless.
The fact that it is Unblockable makes it a good skill.
Epic  Post #: 8
2/13/2013 7:19:54   
Scyze
Member

Fireball is an unblockable but the damage is low. How often do you see Blood Mages with a maxed out Fireball?
Since its an unblockable, it doesn't necessary mean it's a good skill.
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 9
2/13/2013 7:23:52   
Blitzex/Sr. Zeph
Banned


 ^ In delta i had that build.

Gun-Bludgeon-PP-Fireball = Instant death.
It was a awesome build.
Fireball is and never was useless
Epic  Post #: 10
2/13/2013 7:26:22   
Scyze
Member

Fireball is good at certain times but it doesn't mean it still is good. People are using a Dexterity and Strength build and leave their Resistance open. How much damage will Fireball really do here? Plasma Bolt will do higher most of the time.

quote:

Fireball is and never was useless.
What do you mean? You called it useless and then called it useful. o_O

< Message edited by Malicious Neos -- 2/13/2013 7:27:36 >
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 11
2/13/2013 7:33:16   
Blitzex/Sr. Zeph
Banned
quote:

What do you mean? You called it useless and then called it useful. o_O

I never called it useless, you did ;)

quote:

Fireball is good at certain times but it doesn't mean it still is good

Not all skills are ''always;; good, but there still good arent they?

Sorry i meant to say:
Fireball isnt and never was useless

< Message edited by Blitzex/Sr. Zeph -- 2/13/2013 7:34:42 >
Epic  Post #: 12
2/13/2013 7:36:15   
RageSoul
Member

LBs don't sum up a class , i mean , who knows , maybe some of those are not Mercs and they're not even using OPed builds yet they're in the LB .
AQW Epic  Post #: 13
2/13/2013 7:37:46   
Warmaker04
Member
 

 Op skill are actually * Bludgeon, Berserk, Double strike, Mass. * Fireball is still great skill but its not considered as overpowered.




Regards to the six misters there
AQW Epic  Post #: 14
2/13/2013 7:51:52   
Scyze
Member

Blizzy,

I thought you meant that.

AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 15
2/13/2013 21:34:50   
Pallosalama
Member

Ha ha ha ha ha ha.
Funniest joke I've heard.
Mercs are NOT overpowered. Just if you see them on top of leaderboards doesn't mean they are strongest.
I used merc in Delta, and did well. Now I do about equally in Omega except I don't have to deal so much with Juggernauts.
Leaderboards are just lies. One day they could all be X classes and next day other.
AQ Epic  Post #: 16
2/13/2013 22:55:13   
  Exploding Penguin
Moderator


 I don't believe they are overpowered; they're just like before: fast wins with a lower win rate. Their win rate is rarely above 75%, and most definitely rarely 80% on the LB, whereas the win rate back in delta was often 85%+. This could be partially because of boosters, but I think it's just that strength becomes more of a gamble with the passive armor skill cores, as well as the increased effectiveness of blocks/deflects. Doubling the turn length of most strength mercs using my TM build (7 turn fights average), I can score an easy 80-85% win rate. I would definitely not consider something that just gets fast wins (and losses) OP, only something that has pretty much a 95%+ win rate (and possibly gives fast wins) would be considered OP from my point of view.
Epic  Post #: 17
2/14/2013 13:07:53   
Hottie19967
Banned

 

 Thanks For Your Support EveryBody HopeFully If We Can Work Togeather We Can Get Them Builds Nerfed

< Message edited by Hottie19967 -- 2/14/2013 13:08:58 >
Post #: 18
2/14/2013 16:07:31   
ValkyrieKnight
Member

I noticed Merc was on the top of all 3 categories only a day after Omega's release. I'm sure we've all noticed this by now.
AQW Epic  Post #: 19
2/14/2013 16:11:46   
the final hour
Banned
quote:

Mercs are NOT overpowered


mercs are overpowered vastly overpowered . the leader boards arent needed to tell us this but they help.

observation alone is enough for anyone to see their overpowered

strengh support and alot of the skills that coincide with strengh and support need looking at . + i would argue some of the caster skills need overhauling to fit with omega better .

< Message edited by the final hour -- 2/14/2013 16:12:59 >
Post #: 20
2/14/2013 20:48:12   
ValkyrieKnight
Member

We may never get rid of the "this class is overpowered" issue because it just goes to show that people will spam whatever class that is the strongest. First it as Str BMS everywhere, then Mass BHs now its Str Mercs. What's next, 5 Focus TactMs everywhere?
AQW Epic  Post #: 21
2/16/2013 21:28:39   
Pallosalama
Member

More like max hp TechMages
AQ Epic  Post #: 22
2/17/2013 21:10:57   
Combatoid
Member

I totally agree that Str merc is OP. The nerf just wasn't effective enough.
AQW Epic  Post #: 23
2/18/2013 2:53:37   
arthropleura
Member

they have a relatively low win rate. not exactly op...
just quick kill or be killed
DF AQW Epic  Post #: 24
2/18/2013 17:42:15   
Rowl
Member
 

 I think Mercs are not really OP, They were nerfed before and again while other classes still keep their advantages as Mages, consider this, no reroute and no bloodlust, and now main skills nerfed including bunker. double strike is very xpensive and weak now, and easily blockable as berzerker, its ok to search a balance but dont trying to make an useless class to win, in my xperience ive seen that a good build can kill nicely an str merc build, but the PROBLEM is and im gonna said it like it is, that everybody is copying builds, while that happens, the balance will be REDUCED to have all the same build like its happening now, the main problem here is that people isnt original, if Epic Duel makes more difficult to copy builds there will be a MORE balanced game (on Delta to copy a build was not so easy for example) problems will continue cuz ppl will always complain about they lose..they lose by their own builds COPIED
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