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3/29/2013 18:17:17   
DARK SOUL OF HELL
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support should not increase the first strike chance.
it should finish the thing and assure the person with higher supp to start.
cause it really isn't fair that a person with half ur supp or even lower that the battle and get the jump on u .
and this will actually make BH weaker which i am glad about . Cause it just unfair that a BH with lower supp start the battle and smoke and then u can't connect .
i know this means that supp abusers will start every battle but it is okay cause they dam deserve it .
if opponents have same supp either make them "play rock paper scissors" or make it luck .
Post #: 1
3/29/2013 18:47:44   
ReinVI
Member

so someone with 46 support should always start first compared to someone with 45? makes no sense at all...
and if there's a 30 support difference thats what.. a 45% chance that person will go before you ontop of the base chance?
I think that's how it works ( isn't it 1.5% start chance per support you have over the opponent )
Epic  Post #: 2
3/29/2013 20:40:07   
Goony
Constructive!


 What happens when you are both the same level and you both have the same support? What happens if the other player has 1 more support than you, should he always go 1st? What happens if you're 5 levels lower and have less stat points to invest, should the person 5 levels higher and has 1 more support always go 1st?

The new formula works quire well, in my opinion, and it is certainly a lot more reliable than the old method. For every point of support higher than your opponent it will add to your base 50% chance to go 1st by 1.5%, but this is decreased by 5% for every level you are higher than your opponent!
Epic  Post #: 3
3/30/2013 7:26:21   
DARK SOUL OF HELL
Member

quote:

What happens if you're 5 levels lower and have less stat points to invest, should the person 5 levels higher and has 1 more support always go 1st?

well what about a person 5 lvls lower then his opponents and he still have the higher supp , but still the higher lvl guy starts .
quote:

so someone with 46 support should always start first compared to someone with 45? makes no sense at all...

yeah it still make sense cause if the guys want to start first they can do a build with higher supp, and for your information a guy with 6 supp less then me started 6 battles out of 6 , what do u have to say about that ?
this is so messed up
Post #: 4
3/30/2013 15:45:19   
ReinVI
Member

6 supp = 9-10% more chance to start so it was 60% for him to go first ... it makes sense and if he was even 1 level lower than you he gained another 5%
sure the current systems annoying but its still 10 times better than people with 20 supp going before people with 60+ support.. plus did you look at the + supp from his gear?
if he has points in support there it raises his chance even more ( I believe.. )
Epic  Post #: 5
3/30/2013 15:49:24   
DARK SOUL OF HELL
Member

quote:

6 supp = 9-10% more chance to start so it was 60% for him to go first ... it makes sense and if he was even 1 level lower than you he gained another 5%
sure the current systems annoying but its still 10 times better than people with 20 supp going before people with 60+ support.. plus did you look at the + supp from his gear?
if he has points in support there it raises his chance even more ( I believe.. )

lol where did u read that he was 1 lvl lower :P ( we were both lvl 35 )
plus i had the higher supp and he started 6/6 battles
and yes i did check the + ( of course i did lol )
Post #: 6
3/30/2013 15:53:03   
King Helios
Member

6 more support = +9% chance.

His chance, then, is 59/100, or 59%.

For the probability, take (59)^5, and divide it by 100^5.

59^5=714,924,299.
100^5=10,000,000,000.

714,924,299/10,000,000,000 =

7.14924299% chance of that happening.

AQ MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 7
3/30/2013 16:01:52   
DARK SOUL OF HELL
Member

quote:

6 more support = +9% chance.

His chance, then, is 59/100, or 59%.

For the probability, take (59)^5, and divide it by 100^5.

59^5=714,924,299.
100^5=10,000,000,000.

714,924,299/10,000,000,000 =

7.14924299% chance of that happening.

okay and ? and % chance what happening ?
Post #: 8
3/30/2013 16:08:33   
King Helios
Member

% chance is of him blocking going first 6 times in a row.

< Message edited by King Helios -- 3/30/2013 16:14:57 >
AQ MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 9
3/30/2013 16:13:41   
ansh0
Member

^You mean starting first.
Epic  Post #: 10
3/30/2013 16:23:22   
DARK SOUL OF HELL
Member

for all i care and know that he has lower supp which means that i should start but still i started 6/6 battles.
Post #: 11
3/30/2013 16:47:41   
King Helios
Member

Oh, 6 support less?

Then his chance of that was 1.1856%.
AQ MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 12
3/30/2013 16:52:49   
DARK SOUL OF HELL
Member

so is that fair ? i don't think so .
the program for the first strike thing needs recalculation and maybe changing it's system .
Post #: 13
3/30/2013 19:05:46   
ReinVI
Member

the problem is it doesn't take into account that you he ever went before you before.. its currently working like
battle 1 59/100 battle 2 59/100 battle 3 59/100 and so on and so on
NOT
Battle 1 59/100 battle 2 59/91 battle 3 59/ 82 etc etc...

every fight he still had a higher chance to go first just because he had more support

and in the case of you having the higher support there is still a 50% chance he will go first
it doesn't set the rate on a scale of 100 with one yours being 59 his 41 it is STILL
59~50 your support just added more of a chance for you to go first
like currently if someone has 45 supp and the other 78 support thats 33 points more or
49.5% higher chance of going first if your that desperate to go first focus your build on
support if not? well honestly to bad for you I myself have 45 support +0 do I go first a lot?
no but I deal with it.

long story short if you wanna go first so bad abuse support and get 80+ of it...

< Message edited by ReinVI -- 3/30/2013 19:15:44 >
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