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4/8/2013 10:17:16   
theholyfighter
Member

Seriously think these Cores should be removed/replaced/modified...

Deflection Shield
Lucky Strike
Ninja Reflexes
Auxiliary Mastery
Primary Mastery
Sidearm Mastery

You never know when they actually worked; you never know if they worked probably.

They're excuses for WILD BLOCKS/DEFLECTIONS/CRITICALS.



< Message edited by theholyfighter -- 4/11/2013 22:56:49 >
AQW Epic  Post #: 1
4/8/2013 16:03:59   
Demon Emperor
Member

Agreed. The Mastery cores that increase crit chance should also be changed. Maybe they could be a bit like deadly aim and give 1 more dmg? Ex: 30 dmg aux, with auxiliary mastery it becomes a 31 damage aux.
AQW Epic  Post #: 2
4/8/2013 16:35:44   
Warmaker04
Member
 

 lol Demon.
Nobody will spend 7000 credits only to increase their dmg by 1.
AQW Epic  Post #: 3
4/8/2013 17:04:38   
Assassain11
Member

@Demon

Meh, 1-2 damage would be good, 3 at the max.

Maybe a crit chance (4%) could also go with the damage increase? (it would have to be around 1-2)
Post #: 4
4/8/2013 19:58:15   
  Exploding Penguin
Moderator


 @Warmaker04: Yes, they will. 7k credits isn't that much at all given lots of players always keep near a 100k credits on them, if not a few ten thousand. Also, lots of fights are lost with the opponents having 3-ish HP left, so the extra 1-2 damage would definitely benefit.

As for mastery cores, they should be removed above all others. The fact that when the opponent has a 1% crit chance and they can quintuple it with a mastery core is insane.
Epic  Post #: 5
4/8/2013 20:32:35   
goldslayer1
Member

luck related cores should not be in the game.

neither should that ridiculous azrael gun.
AQW Epic  Post #: 6
4/8/2013 22:01:03   
Trae
Member

Luck cores should be removed but what should replace them?
Also goldslayer NO people like myself have payed 50usd for that gun and it was already nerfed once
Epic  Post #: 7
4/8/2013 22:29:02   
goldslayer1
Member

@trae
simply get a different passive thats unique. that gun is OP.
AQW Epic  Post #: 8
4/8/2013 22:31:53   
Mondez
Member

@goldslayer1
I would like to hear your reason to why Azrael is OP because it was given a damage nerf and I think it's appropriate. I don't see how the gun is OP anymore and don't give me the reason that it can stun because it can't.

I actually went against some players with luck cores and it's ridiculous to how they can crit every time.

Besides I barely see people even use that gun anymore nor do some even use it correctly. The gun does what it's supposed to do and it doesn't make it OP.

< Message edited by Mondez -- 4/8/2013 22:38:19 >
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 9
4/8/2013 22:43:43   
goldslayer1
Member

@mondez
that gun doesn't endorse strategy.

anything that forces me to do something against my will, isn't strategy.
AQW Epic  Post #: 10
4/8/2013 22:46:28   
Trae
Member

Goldslayer then that would be a gross breach of what we payed for I payed money for a gun that would make my opponent strike me not a gun with a passive
Epic  Post #: 11
4/8/2013 22:48:46   
goldslayer1
Member

@trae
"gross breach" means nothing when the gun is OP.
and IIRC the ToS says they can change w/e item they want if it goes against game balance.

Ps. you paid for an OP gun. (this is just marketing strategy. make something OP, have everyone rush to buy it, nerf it later)

< Message edited by goldslayer1 -- 4/8/2013 22:49:36 >
AQW Epic  Post #: 12
4/9/2013 4:11:08   
Mondez
Member

@goldslayer
Last time I checked healing wasn't considered a strategy in ED's terms. No matter how you put it, it's a strategy and hey it's better than being stunned. To force your opponent to act at a time when they rage is still strategy.
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 13
4/9/2013 4:40:50   
goldslayer1
Member

@mondez
thats a onsided "strategy"

and thats probably the cheapest part about that gun, using it when enemy rages.
its just so sad.
AQW Epic  Post #: 14
4/9/2013 4:51:13   
Mondez
Member

@goldslayer
Stunning is a one sided strategy. Some people that I went against that I forced to rage had some pretty serious damage. The gun is not OP unless the majority of the players states that the gun in this state is OP.
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 15
4/9/2013 5:00:56   
Vagaran
Member

Azrael gun is far from OP anymore.

As for lucky cores, YES! I hate those cores, maybe lower the buff they gives instead though?
AQ DF MQ Epic  Post #: 16
4/9/2013 5:28:34   
Trae
Member

Ok goldslayer the gun is good it is not OP and yes you should get what you pay for
Epic  Post #: 17
4/9/2013 5:31:32   
Baron Dante
Member

quote:

thats a onsided "strategy"


No, it isn't. Strategy isn't turn-by-turn. It prevents you for ONE TURN from doing whatever you want. And, in fact, there are several ways to make that a moot point as well. Their plan is to force you to rage strike with it? Stall your rage filling, or make sure you'll be able to kill them with the rage strike anyways.

quote:

You never know when they actually worked; you never know if they worked probably.


That's not relevant to their usefulness at all.

quote:

They're excuses for WILD BLOCKS/DEFLECTIONS/CRITICALS.

They are bad excuses. Alternatively, the stats that cause them are equally good excuses.

There is nothing wrong with an element of luck. If luck wasn't present in the game, all battles between two builds would always work the exact same way. And, as I always say, "Luck is a skill". You either learn to minimize the impact luck has to your battles, or you take losses due to not being able to do so, and then either whine about it, or take it like a man.

And believe me, even if I do use some of these, the moment something less luck-reliant comes to play, I'll be the first to move to those, and many others will. why? Because 4% isn't that much. It means it comes to play in 1/25 moves. That's less than an average battle, thus they aren't reliable on short-term.
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 18
4/9/2013 5:31:38   
Scyze
Member

@ Trae,
No surprise coming from you.
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 19
4/9/2013 7:28:11   
Warmaker04
Member
 

 Exploding. We are not people who pay to get their 100 k credits. We are free players.
7000 is getting in 250 battles atleast.
It looks easy with op stuff for varium ugh? But we cant get 100 k credits haha. Think about non var players.
That core which increases the dmg for 1 requires 250 battles.
Well for people who pay var with pack its easy ofc.

Now lots of people are lazy, omega is too boring. Every person quit cause most of fights are absolutely unbalanced and UP TO LUCK You can see. Why should they waste 7000 creds for 1 dmg. Yeah ITS usefull to have 1 dmg, but with this factor balance..
Critical/Block/Stun/Deflects just must get lowered by 10 - 15 % all.
These factors must appear RARE. Cause 1 factor like that is pretty enough to finish the battle.

A BHs for example. easy to block when u are smoked. As i said this factors must appear RARE.
If they happen every 2 mins then this game better`d be called * Epic Luck *

< Message edited by Warmaker04 -- 4/9/2013 7:30:21 >
AQW Epic  Post #: 20
4/9/2013 8:10:12   
Trae
Member

Malicious name neos what do u mean coming from me I do own the gun but I still have a valid opinion about the gun

< Message edited by Trae -- 4/9/2013 8:13:18 >
Epic  Post #: 21
4/9/2013 8:25:02   
Scyze
Member

@Tr name ae,
I also do not consider it as OP but me seeing someone like you posting its not OP was awkward.
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 22
4/9/2013 8:29:02   
Trae
Member

No nothing against u neo but why is it akward to see me post?
Epic  Post #: 23
4/9/2013 8:48:24   
Ranloth
Banned
quote:

A BHs for example. easy to block when u are smoked. As i said this factors must appear RARE.

What do you expect? Smoke reduces blocking, isn't that common sense? Use Reflex or Assault Bot to nullify it or deal with blocks & use Shield to cover yourself.
quote:

If they happen every 2 mins then this game better`d be called * Epic Luck *

Standard 1v1 match lasts about 2 minutes, if not less. Game called Epic Luck? Because luck is part of the game? Sure. AdventureQuest Luck, DragonLuck, MechLuck, AdventureLuck, HeroLuck, LoLuck. Each game has luck stat or luck factors in it. Use it to your advantage or minimise its effects. I don't see you moaning if you deflect (too much perhaps) but when you get deflected, it's another story. Likewise with blocks and Crits.
AQ Epic  Post #: 24
4/9/2013 8:53:27   
Scyze
Member

Well, its mostly people who own that item who say its fair. This doesn't only go for the gun, its for others too.
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 25
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