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5/3/2013 15:48:29   
The Incredible Hulk
Banned

 

 You get to do this attack over and over again which is annoying.
After poison spores is on cooldown you get to use it again.


Not fair since you get to do free poison for free. It should only be used once.
Epic  Post #: 1
5/3/2013 16:04:31   
8x
Member

It does 65% of your robots damage ignoring enemies defense + the poison can be stopped with a heal. Now compare it to gamma bot, which can also use special attack multiple times. Does it still seem unfair?

Btw, this should probably be in the balance section of the forums.
Epic  Post #: 2
5/3/2013 16:12:02   
The Incredible Hulk
Banned

 

 ^^ Yes.

Some people can;t even heal like mercenaries if have no energy
Epic  Post #: 3
5/3/2013 16:18:52   
Xendran
Member

One class has issue with renewable resources, so you nerf an entire bot? That's indicative of mercenary needing a method to deal with it, not nerfing the entire thing for the sake of one class.
AQ DF Epic  Post #: 4
5/3/2013 16:28:15   
The Incredible Hulk
Banned

 

 Why can't chomp be used so many times?
Why can't IA energy special be used so many times?
Why can't Infernal swarm be used so many times?

If all the other bots can, why can't they ^^.
Explain me that
Epic  Post #: 5
5/3/2013 16:30:39   
Xendran
Member

Why can't chomp be used so many times?
Because of how crazy powerful the ability to disable ranged weapons is, and nothing can be done about it

Why can't IA energy special be used so many times?
Because it hits absurdly high and there's nothing you can do about it

Why can't Infernal swarm be used so many times?
Because fully removing a skill is extremely debilitating, let alone multiple. Again, nothing you can do about it either.
AQ DF Epic  Post #: 6
5/3/2013 16:31:57   
The Incredible Hulk
Banned

 
quote:

Why can't chomp be used so many times?
Because of how crazy powerful the ability to disable ranged weapons is, and nothing can be done about it

Why can't IA energy special be used so many times?
Because it hits absurdly high and there's nothing you can do about it

Why can't Infernal swarm be used so many times?
Because fully removing a skill is extremely debilitating, let alone multiple.


Exactly, Poison spores is absurdly powerful when using 3x so it should only be used once. You just proved my point.

< Message edited by The Incredible Hulk -- 5/3/2013 16:32:57 >
Epic  Post #: 7
5/3/2013 16:37:08   
Xendran
Member

Poison spores deal a predicted amount of damage over the course of 4 turns, and you can field medic it away before it fully takes effect.
Poison spores do not grant bloodlust
Poison spores also means they aren't using the regular bot attack, which can be even more dangerous than poison.
Poison spores cannot kill you
Poison spores do not have burst damage
Poison spores are useless if your opponent is already at medium/low hp and is going to heal next turn
AQ DF Epic  Post #: 8
5/3/2013 16:43:37   
The Incredible Hulk
Banned

 

 ^^
it is still OP

Think of it this way.

You had 25 health and no energy (This inc all classes). You poisoned and then heal till he got to a low health. Then you kill him.

Its OP..... Your just saying this because u don't want the bot to get nerf since you have it.
Epic  Post #: 9
5/3/2013 16:46:28   
Xendran
Member

You refuse to give a good counterargument to any of mine, so i don't think anybody is going to take your claim as valid until you do.
The situation you gave isn't even a bad one. What's wrong with being able to kill somebody?

Your enemy has 50 health left, you have rage. IA spec and you kill him
Your enemy has ~40hp left, you have rage. Any other bot attack and you kill him.
Your enemy has heal or a skill that can kill you next turn. You pyro fly/concussive shot field medic and you kill him.
Your enemy has deadly aim or high supp and his gun/aux is the only way he can deal enough damage to kill you. Chomp, and then you kill him.

The whole purpose of everything in this game is to kill people, so why complain when one bot helps you kill certain types of builds in certain situations, and has viable alternatives? It's not a best-in-slot like Azrael's Will.
Choosing between a botanical, a yeti, a bunny, a pyro fly and an IA is actually a very tough decision, nerfing the botanical just removes it from that.

< Message edited by Xendran -- 5/3/2013 16:47:57 >
AQ DF Epic  Post #: 10
5/3/2013 16:49:28   
The Incredible Hulk
Banned

 

 As I said.... It is still OP.


EDIT:
Fine, I'll just buy the bot myself and own everyone with it

< Message edited by The Incredible Hulk -- 5/3/2013 16:51:43 >
Epic  Post #: 11
5/3/2013 16:51:12   
Ranloth
Banned


 How is this a bug and why is this in Bugs section? Also, once Focus is fixed then Poison's damage will go down even further. Calling someone biased won't cut. It's like me saying "You're so poor that you cannot afford the new Bot, therefore you wanna nerf it so your cheap IA dominates once again!" - yeah, that won't cut either.
AQ Epic  Post #: 12
5/3/2013 16:53:59   
Xendran
Member

Also, the "you have it so you dont want to nerf it" argument fails, since i very frequently switch between botanical, IA and omega dark yeti.
If botanical gets nerfed into oblivion, i'd simply stop using it and likely just permanently change back to IA.
AQ DF Epic  Post #: 13
5/3/2013 18:45:30   
SMGS
Member

Moved to Balance.
Post #: 14
6/2/2013 9:12:20   
ED Divine Darkness
Member

poison spores isnt op.
the botan hazard isnt op.
where did you get this idea from?
and gamma bot is just as good as botan
AQ AQW Epic  Post #: 15
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