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5/24/2013 20:31:02

NDB
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Static Smash is way OP. At max it steals about 30-40 Energy depending on strength while giving back about that amount too. And it costs no energy.

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5/24/2013 20:36:44

Xendran
Member

Yep. I'm sure they're aware that it's OP but are giving merc a bit of time as the OP class until it gets nerfed down to a normal level.

Note that it's only SLIGHTLY op, not by a lot.

< Message edited by Xendran -- 5/24/2013 20:38:55 >

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5/24/2013 21:23:00

NDB
Member

Ok yeah, I exaggerated a bit. It's only a little OP, especially since it's blockable, but still OP.

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5/24/2013 21:46:20

Theclown
Member

its not op

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5/24/2013 21:49:34

TRizZzCENTRINO
Member

lol it is better than both assimilation and emp since it is free to use and it drains an average of 30 energy while giving 22 back to you, it is OP

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5/24/2013 21:50:00

Scyze
Member

So because Mercenaries got a new Skill that works like Assimilation, you call it OP? I mean, we cannot deal damage with that.
I am now finally surviving the caster Tech Mages (and even beating them) who keep on draining my Energy and I presume its OP because you're losing to them.

This Skill has made the Class good again and even if I wasn't a Mercenary, I would've said its not completely OP. You'd rather have Classes which are weak and you can beat them or have a challenging Class?

< Message edited by Malicious Neos -- 5/24/2013 21:52:17 >

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5/24/2013 21:56:32

TRizZzCENTRINO
Member

quote:

So because Mercenaries got a new Skill that works like Assimilation,

eh no it doesn't work like assimilation it works like EMP and assimilation combined, with the fact that it drains up to 40 or even 50 energy depending on their strength, so those strength abusers could easily use this to counter energy drain moves that drained their energy so they couldn't use beserk or other skills, the % is too high, it needs to be lowered by a few, and no not just casters get smashed by them but bloodmage, cyber hunter too

< Message edited by TRizZzCENTRINO -- 5/24/2013 21:59:58 >

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5/24/2013 22:01:52

Onlythestrong
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how is it op?not like the other energy draining skills this one can be block and reduce it bye 85%.Or its mybe u need better build to counter it.

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5/24/2013 22:07:22

TRizZzCENTRINO
Member

@above hmm lets see...i played the classs on my alt, maxed the skill and wins most of the time.

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5/24/2013 22:12:33

Onlythestrong
Member

if yor talking aboutmy mage that not my acount
on topic:if u max that still then u will have less skill point to spend

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5/24/2013 22:13:19

Xendran
Member

Why do people assume OP means "crazy insanely powerful skill that gives wins all the time"?
Overpowered means anything that is stronger than it needs to be. This skill is slightly stronger than it needs to be. Not a lot, but slightly.
OP is not black and white, there are varying degrees of it.

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5/24/2013 22:14:38

Scyze
Member

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it drains up to 40 or even 50 energy

Really? The highest I've drained so far is 21...
So it doesn't work like Assimilation? Hm... Assimilation still drains Energy, deals damage while Static Smash drains only Energy and if it's blocked, it only deals 15% of the actual damage. Also, if Assimilation didn't deal damage, what do you think would be stronger? I'm sure that Assimilation would deal more damage.

Oooh, all that's changed is that you can now drain a percentage of the actual damage. It's still the same thing but you gain Energy. What else do you want? Mercenaries to get Reroute like the Tactical Mercenaries?

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with the fact that it drains up to 40 or even 50 energy depending on their strength

It's always been able to drain this high. Even in Delta, you could do this. I don't even know if it's possible to drain that high actually. :/

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it doesn't work like assimilation

It doesn't? Why did you say:

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it works like EMP and assimilation combined

Before you think of this, don't think I'm defending Mercenaries, even if I wasn't, I would've done this. All that's happened is that Mercenaries are stronger now and you're not happy with that. What is this?

< Message edited by Malicious Neos -- 5/24/2013 22:16:37 >

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5/24/2013 22:17:04

TRizZzCENTRINO
Member

@only lvl 29 just max hybrid armor max static and the rest goes to bunker buster, works for me

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Why do people assume OP means "crazy insanely powerful skill that gives wins all the time"?
Overpowered means anything that is stronger than it needs to be. This skill is slightly stronger than it needs to be. Not a lot, but slightly.
OP is not black and white, there are varying degrees of it.

exactly, personally it is stronger than it needs to be

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Really? The highest I've drained so far is 21...
So it doesn't work like Assimilation? Hm... Assimilation still drains Energy, deals damage while Static Smash drains only Energy and if it's blocked, it only deals 15% of the actual damage. Also, if Assimilation didn't deal damage, what do you think would be stronger? I'm sure that Assimilation would deal more damage.

Oooh, all that's changed is that you can now drain a percentage of the actual damage. It's still the same thing but you gain Energy. What else do you want? Mercenaries to get Reroute like the Tactical Mercenaries?

might i ask how much strength you have?

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It's always been able to drain this high. Even in Delta, you could do this. I don't even know if it's possible to drain that high actually. :/

not delta anymore

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It doesn't? Why did you say:
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it works like EMP and assimilation combined

Before you think of this, don't think I'm defending Mercenaries, even if I wasn't, I would've done this. All that's happened is that Mercenaries are stronger now and you're not happy with that. What is this?

i said it works like assimilation and EMP combined, not just working like assimilation lol XD
oh yes I'm very happy pounding other classes with my alt mercenary, I'm not unhappy, just that this skill is a bit too good.

< Message edited by TRizZzCENTRINO -- 5/24/2013 22:23:32 >

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5/24/2013 22:20:49

Xendran
Member

One of the problems with merc is that the devs seem to be encouraging a very specific playstyle: Support spam.

Huge aux damage
Huge multi damage
Huge crit rate
Blood Commander for HP regain and high regular damage
Static Smash for massively buffed EP regain on a support build

This lets you pretty much loop massive damage attacks now. Mercenary isn't a class you can bandaid fix by giving it a load of energy regain. THIS is how you improve class balance.

< Message edited by Xendran -- 5/24/2013 22:22:14 >

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5/24/2013 22:21:02

Onlythestrong
Member

above that is what i try to tell them its them because they need to build to counter it like use the pry fly something thats why they are thereplus he other kill core.

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5/24/2013 22:25:14

Scyze
Member

@Xendran,
Stop advertising your ideas.

Why do people only think about abusing builds like Support or Strength? You're forgetting that there are people who aren't those types.

< Message edited by Malicious Neos -- 5/24/2013 22:26:52 >

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5/24/2013 22:25:42

TRizZzCENTRINO
Member

@only not everyone has pyrofly, i believe most of them sold it, so no that's not a good excuse

@neos he is right on this one though ;)

< Message edited by TRizZzCENTRINO -- 5/24/2013 22:26:43 >

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5/24/2013 22:35:51

Scyze
Member

quote:

might i ask how much strength you have?

Here's my build: http://prntscr.com/16j05s
I love my build because it's awesome! I changed it this morning from my previous one since my Atom Smasher in Delta would get 25-29 Conversion and I want it to be similar.

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not delta anymore

I know it's not Delta anymore but it was possible to do the same amount of Conversion as you can now.

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just that this skill is a bit too good

I know it's too good but what else do you want me to think? There's people out there who don't abuse stats to get high Conversions. I don't like those builds, I like a 5 focus tank build because it's more fun and makes you think about things.

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Huge aux damage
Huge multi damage
Huge crit rate
Blood Commander for HP regain and high regular damage
Static Smash for massively buffed EP regain on a support build

Never seen this happen in the same battle in my life. How often do I see support Mercenaries with a Club? Hmm... Let me think... Maybe twice! It's also rare to even see a Support Mercenary use Blood Commander.

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5/24/2013 22:42:37

TRizZzCENTRINO
Member

quote:

Here's my build: http://prntscr.com/16j05s
I love my build because it's awesome! I changed it this morning from my previous one since my Atom Smasher in Delta would get 25-29 Conversion and I want it to be similar.

lol no wonder why, it is not even maxed and you don't have that much strength

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I know it's too good but what else do you want me to think? There's people out there who don't abuse stats to get high Conversions. I don't like those builds, I like a 5 focus tank build because it's more fun and makes you think about things.

5 focus tanks abuse it too lol, except I'm 4 focus on my alt merc and i abuse it.

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Never seen this happen in the same battle in my life. How often do I see support Mercenaries with a Club? Hmm... Let me think... Maybe twice! It's also rare to even see a Support Mercenary use Blood Commander.

rly? i see this all too Often even before static smash came.

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5/24/2013 22:51:25

Scyze
Member

Well then, I've barely seen it happen.

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5/24/2013 23:01:19

Bloodpact
Member

Yeah the new move is fine as is. It's like assimilation except when its blocked
it doesn't steal the full amount and it doesn't dmg you while doing it.

Don't expect it to get weaker at it's current state as it is FINE. NOT SUPA DUPA OP.

Assimilation hasn't been nerfed what is your thoughts on this less powerful moved being changed?

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5/24/2013 23:06:51

santonik
Member

Static Smash that is good move. I like it. That bring back 5 focus club build back.
Now mercenary can be beat caster techmage. Before updates that is almoust imbosible.

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5/24/2013 23:11:40

Bloodpact
Member

^ that's the spirit.

Now mercs can stand a chance vs TM's :D

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5/25/2013 0:56:54

Ranloth
Banned

I'm pretty sure that Atom could drain that much EP prior to the update. So it now drains it for free, okay. Now the return - is it that OP in Merc's hands? It's a Mercenary, not TM. It's much harder to loop it and I imagine the effect is minimised to 15% at block. If anything, % can be toned down for the return. Nothing else is needed, really. And I don't mean by a lott - look at old SC - but perhaps 10-20% of what it is now (if it's 50% return, 10% of it is 5% less & 20% of it = 10% less).

It's not that bad. Mercs cannot be as powerful as say Reroute + Assimilation combos, Mercs have HA that's ignored on Crits + Rage, and Intimidate as a defensive debuff (defensive, not offensive). It balances out quite well.

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5/25/2013 4:10:02

Sir Caden
Member

OFCOURSE its op im not a merc but when they said this I knew straight up OP

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