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10/19/2013 9:36:25   
wireclub1990
Banned

 

 Ok I've made my opinion quite clear what I think about 2v2 and the level matching system of current here's some added info to why I think situations like 36+31 vs 36+36 should not be happening lets take some things in to account

lets start with stats

the level 36 has 5 more levels then the 31 giving them a extra 20 stats

on top of that lets include the stat bonuses assuming they are both maxed out and both using the new consumable cores for arguments sake

the 36 gets +102

the 31 gets gets + 89 now were at 33 stat difference also lets not forget the 36 is getting extra hp ep from the level advantage

And also 5 more skill points . Not to mention I believe luck factors are far higher on a lower level your actual damage go's up crit chance chance of blocking them etc etc

your field medic also scales with level (not a huge deal but it all adds up)

Now lets get to base damage on weapons probably the most significant factor

the 31

primary +33
sidearm+32
aux+36
armour +8 (also giving the 36 even more advantage if he has generater)


the 36
primary -36
secondary-36
aux-40
armour-10

In summary that's a whole 11 points more of base damage

add all the above facts together you put a 31 with a 36 put them against two 36's if the two 36's are smart and large amounts of luck don't come in your not going to win said fight they are going to capitilise on their massive advantage.

Its bad enough in 1v1 but not only does that 31 have to try to handle the fire power of 1 36 but 2 ganging up exploiting him as the weakness of the team . he also has to try to return the fire power in order to back up his partner . he's incapable of taking the damage from 2 36s for long no matter what him or his partner do he doesn't have the numbers . and he certainly cant return the firepower.



Is it really reasonable to punish people for playing the game ?



< Message edited by wireclub1990 -- 10/19/2013 9:44:40 >
Post #: 1
10/19/2013 9:47:39   
toopygoo
Member

you've forgotten to include stats from weapons and armor bonus as you level up. i'd predict closer to 35 maybe? and additional armor points are 2.


regardless, i wouldnt touch 2v2 matching, except ensuring that both higher levels arent on the same team. also, this should go to either balance, or sugestinos if you are clear with what should be done.
AQW Epic  Post #: 2
10/19/2013 9:48:41   
Ranloth
Banned


 It goes that low because there is NOT enough players near your level. It first checks the ranges at your level, then goes up/down to find a partner/opponent.

Lvl 30+ are the minority in ED, hence why the unfair matchmaking. Make the range smaller and you'll cripple the search times. Some people want fast battles, despite being imbalanced, and don't want to wait too long. This is also a fact, not an opinion.
Also, they were the minority even back in Delta. It's always been a problem in 2v2 with such matchmaking so I don't see what needs fixing. You cannot make ranges smaller because players want fast search times, but players want balanced matches too. You have to find a trade-off between the two.

quote:

Not to mention I believe luck factors are far higher on a lower level your actual damage go's up crit chance chance of blocking them etc etc

That's also a false statement. Check the ED Wiki to find out how stats work and what the level disadvantage gives you - and you will only see they get higher chance to go first, nothing else.
AQ Epic  Post #: 3
10/19/2013 9:54:59   
wireclub1990
Banned

 

 well I finally hit 36 today and never really play my lowbs anymore due to this . And I don't have to play my 36 anymore unless Ed wants to offer me a balanced fair fight no incentive .
Post #: 4
10/19/2013 13:41:33   
romanu
Member

Since this topic is about same thing, the matchup in 2vs2 is bad. I had often 36+36 vs 35+31. Once it finds the 4 players for the battle it should match them up based on level, so for example: 36+31 vs 36+35 should be a bit more fair in battle rather then 36+ 36 vs 31+ 35( yes i know it's not much, but it's something)
Post #: 5
10/19/2013 14:00:39   
Mother1
Member

@ Romanu

Normally it would have done that, however since we have the legion vs exile filter in the mix, it will sooner pair them based on the side they are on rather then the levels. If the 2 36's are on the same side and the lower levels are on the opposite it will make it like that for this war.

Epic  Post #: 6
10/19/2013 16:10:19   
wireclub1990
Banned

 

 honestly its better I suppose that the 36 get the lower lvl its fairer but why should anyone get screwed their has to be a better answer then this . Its a bit much when im getting it 4 or 5 times in a row fine some people don't want to wait longer I accept that.

I'll meet in the middle give a selectable option those who don't mind unfairness in the name of speed fine don't press the button those who want to wait for a fair battle press the button .

Everyones happy no one feels screwed.

Post #: 7
10/19/2013 16:30:08   
Mother1
Member

@ Wireclub1990

No matter what happens in the game someone is going to get screwed if you think about it.

If there is no level gap there, someone will have an advantage over someone else's build. If there are no advantage's or disadvantages with levels or build, someone has to go first and the team that goes first will put the team going second at a disadvantage.

Not only that there are also luck factors that will screw you over in the game as well. Many of us have been screwed by luck factors.

My point being is that no matter how "fair they try to make it someone will get screwed"

If they do the solution that you and many others have been suggesting you screw over the higher levels since they have a much smaller playing pool as well as level range to choose from. Lastly your recent solution wouldn't be one either.

Let's say everyone did that, and when 4 people get paired off there are once again a 3 level 36's and a level 32 in the bunch. Someone got screwed yet all of these people played wanting a fair fight.

If NPC still awarded EXP after level 10 there would be an alternative way for players to get there, but omega took that away.

And lastly no one asked for that filter. It was something the staff put into play because they wanted the war to be legion vs exile like the last war. Only difference was you always fought someone within your level range, and there were NPC to fill in the holes.

< Message edited by Mother1 -- 10/19/2013 16:31:59 >
Epic  Post #: 8
10/19/2013 16:33:57   
wireclub1990
Banned

 

 I knew you'd say that fact is I want the level to be the same I want the choice.

If not and others like minded will just abandoned 2v2 so either gimme fair fights or the pool is shrinking anyway .

I'm not being unreasonable i'm asking for a choice on how to chose to spend my game time . I don't take the match making system giving me the v sign with some l 31 against 2 36s kindly no doubt neither does he .
Post #: 9
10/19/2013 16:40:30   
Mother1
Member

@ Wireclub1990

If everyone thought like you then there would be no level cap or close to cap level players. Everyone who made it to the top went through this struggle and pushed on to the top because they wanted to be at the top. If those players don't have that drive, and will run away from every match that is paired off against them, then they will never get to level 36.

Until a solution comes that will make both sides happy the staff isn't going to just punish one group of players so another group can be happy. They did that with omega and look at how it is turning out.
Epic  Post #: 10
10/19/2013 17:33:22   
wireclub1990
Banned

 

 So their not going to punish the guys wanting fair level match ups so the guys wanting fast fights can be happy ? Hm
Post #: 11
10/19/2013 22:42:26   
toopygoo
Member

Hey wired, can i ask you something?

when you think of the devs of this game, what exactly do you picture?
AQW Epic  Post #: 12
10/19/2013 22:55:50   
Mother1
Member

@Wired

I never said don't do anything. I said don't force a solution that will fix one problem only to cause another. Not sure if you were reading the forums or playing the game at that time but do you remember the first legion vs exile filter? Not the one we have now, but the first legion vs exile filter?

If you don't then I will explain it. It basically cut all players playing pool's in half causing huge wait times for everyone. As a result everyone wanted it gone! Not because it spat out unfair matches, (which it did and was reported in the bug section) But because it caused them to have to wait a long time for a fight!

With this being known the staff since they got it from the masses themselves, they aren't going to force one group of players to go through this just because another wants something else. You might be ok with it since you want fights you stand a chance of winning (I won't say fair because even with your solution unless they remove the level range completely the system will still spit out unfair fights) someone else who doesn't care about that but wants to play quickly won't which will make another group of players unhappy.

Not being able to get fights or waiting too long to get a fight also makes people quit as well you know, and the playing pool will also shrink.

Now with all this being known all I have seen you talk about is forcing the same punishment everyone had to endure due to the first legion vs exile filter on a smaller group of players who have the smallest level range for another group of players. If people in that smaller group quit because of this, then those who make it there to the top will have to endure the same thing and this group of players won't increase either.

This is why I have been saying that there needs to be a solution that lessens or removes this unfair factor WITHOUT punishing another group of people to do so.

TL:DR I am not saying don't do anything I am saying don't make a solution that shifts a punishment from one group of people to another nothing wrong (unless leveling up to the top when the odds are against you is wrong)
Epic  Post #: 13
10/20/2013 9:22:02   
Predator9657
Member

I think removing the Legion/Exile filter for 2v2 would help with those unfair matches where you two level 36's Vs two non-36's.
Epic  Post #: 14
10/20/2013 13:53:39   
lionblades
Member

^ Yeah I agree with this. I dont think anyone cares about the legion/exile filter more than matchmaking fairness
AQW  Post #: 15
10/21/2013 6:01:11   
Seteriel
Member

^also agreed. In fact it often happens that there are 2 Exiles/Legions vs a mix of 1 Exile+1 Legion, so the point of the filter is reduced already. Removing the filter again and finding a different system for future wars would be super.
AQW Epic  Post #: 16
10/21/2013 7:29:21   
Rocker!
Member

Legion Vs Exile filter does not always filter Legions vs Exiles; I as a Legion get Exile partners sometimes, recently 10 mins ago.


So if it can matchmake Legion with Exile it should be able to matchmake level equality.


ED lost a lot of players in the recent year, it used to average 1300 or more players now almost averaging 500-600 which is nothing.


Matchmaking is making them lose more and more players and that's a certain thing; esp. after all these reports and posts about fair matchmaking.


This is a real Problem with two downsides:

1- If problem not really fixed ED will lose players.
2- If problem fixed but not right (with long time waitings) some will leave as well.


Considering I'm an old ED player, i think this is a downfall for the game. Especially after Omega all we see copy paste builds and in which all weapons are the same (no creative builds and no getting the right and best weapons with the best stats for our specific build). Sometimes i cant believe there's a weapon which cost more with the exact same stat of a lower priced! This is a Joke! The game became a huge routine!



Removing the Exile Vs Legion filter completely may be one solution for the matchmaking. But there's a lot to fix.


Cheers

< Message edited by Rocker! -- 10/21/2013 7:33:10 >
Post #: 17
10/21/2013 9:17:49   
Predator9657
Member

quote:

Removing the Exile Vs Legion filter completely may be one solution for the matchmaking. But there's a lot to fix.


Agreed. It would be a nice start to fix the mess that 2v2 matchmaking is currently in.
Epic  Post #: 18
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