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2/4/2014 4:08:12   
dfo99
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if i am correct, the field commander for example, maxed with 56 points, give you (if you have 85 str points) 70 more damage points in primary and secondary weapons, if you atack during the 4 turns you will get a effect of more 280 damage in total of you atacks. the black abyss bot (usually 40, 80, 120) 240 of total. and the blood hawk is very variable but in best situation, when remove 120 of armor points of lv 40 players, can reach the total effect of 360 of damage, so to simplify:

field commander: 280 of damage, cost: 200
abyss bot : 240 of damage, cost: 0
hawk bot : 360 of damage, cost: 0

obvious the field commander can reach bigger points, the bots deal damage and field commander none and many others things that i don't say, but (in my opnion) this is approximately how the situation works.
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2/4/2014 4:11:56   
DarkDevil
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the hawk is fine , it depends upon the enemy and could be as low as 60 with 180 total.

but i agree smth needs to be done as 0 focus builds abuse black abyss.

< Message edited by DarkDevil -- 2/4/2014 4:12:30 >
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2/4/2014 4:19:47   
Ranloth
Banned


 Bots need Tech and Focus to deal high damage, Field Commander needs Support only. Furthermore, it affects more skills (Str) as well as your Gun and all melee-based attacks which rely on your weapon.

Comparing Bots to skills is pointless. You're comparing an attack, to a skill that buffs your Strength (offense). I don't see what the comparison is meant to do. It's like me saying: my Fireball deals 500 damage, but Technician is better because it gives +40 Tech and that makes Bots too strong, so Technician needs a nerf! Yeah, doesn't work this way.
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2/4/2014 4:30:38   
dfo99
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 trans

because this i say alert that don't say many thing about how works my example. but in my opnion, all buff and debuff skills and cores can be compared, because is a move that add in you or oponent other points.

< Message edited by dfo99 -- 2/4/2014 4:50:15 >
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2/4/2014 4:35:10   
Ranloth
Banned


 Buff and debuff yes, but you've compared Field Commander to... Bots. These scale differently, even though the effect remains the same, their damage does not. Let's not forget it affects your and opponent's rage, and it can waste your rage as well (if timed wrongly). Bots' skills work a bit different to class-based skills - different power; cores aren't meant to be as effective as skills are, unless expensive EP cost + the once-per-battle system prevents abuse. Bots are an exception, since these don't have EP cost and never did.
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2/4/2014 4:46:27   
axell5
Member

like trans said, bot special can be used once(talking about these, i know that asault bot and azraels can be done more than once) and field commander can be used multiple times.
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2/4/2014 4:47:33   
dfo99
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 trans

in you opnion, if you play with tatical merc and use the maxed field commander, and abyss (necrosis) or hawk (armor annihilator) bot, which move you think that will effective more times? maybe this is the point

< Message edited by dfo99 -- 2/4/2014 4:51:51 >
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2/4/2014 5:02:45   
dfo99
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 i know that looks insane compare this bots cores with field commander but was the most easy way that i think to demonstrate what i try say. i choice field commander because and hybrid armor have many variables.

< Message edited by dfo99 -- 2/4/2014 5:03:40 >
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2/4/2014 5:10:36   
Ranloth
Banned


 Both moves can be effective, depending on different builds. You can only use Necrosis/Armor Annihilator ONCE. Yes, FC has an Energy cost, but it's already low enough and you don't need to max it either - lower EP cost means less potent to Energy drains.

I DO get what you're trying to say, but you're using two examples that make no sense - apart from sharing the buff and debuff concept.

You can make effects scale with Focus, but this only deals with those who abuse these Bots with low to no Focus. Those with Focus 5, at higher level, will still have the same amount of power as you do now. This very same concept can be applied to other Bots - one already does, which is Botanical Hazard; works with Tech and Focus; higher damage means more efficient Poison.
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2/4/2014 5:20:07   
kosmo
Member
 

 Skills cant be compaad with a FREE moove, the specias of both bots are insanely strong used without focus or without investing any point on tech, bots are ment to be used with focus and tech, these bots are better without it and it doesnt really make sense.
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2/4/2014 5:25:02   
Ranloth
Banned


 Effects aren't said to be useable with Focus only. If that was the case, likes of Assault Bot would be nerfed and it'd be used as an excuse - for many - that ED wants everyone to abuse Strength, because Assault Bot is a defensive one.

Focus is designed for damage. Effects are a different story. Skills work in the same way - you can use them, but not as effectively. Low/no Focus + using Bot's effect = low damage, which is its drawback.
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2/4/2014 5:37:06   
dfo99
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 trans

in example of main post, my objetive was in the main direct damage effect of FC, necrosis and AA (the total result of have str, def and resistente points added or removed in you or the oponent). scales, focus, rage, first turn damage etc was ignored, and i do the thread considering that all skills maxed need be more powerful than any core

< Message edited by dfo99 -- 2/4/2014 5:44:08 >
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2/4/2014 5:40:59   
Ranloth
Banned


 That's not a fair comparison, is it? One deals damage and has damage-related effects, such as rage. Other is casted upon yourself and you deal no damage during that turn. That's exactly why you cannot compare the two and ignore some effects, which do balance it out.
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2/4/2014 5:46:52   
dfo99
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quote:

Other is casted upon yourself and you deal no damage during that turn


are you talking about FC? you say the first or the 4 turns?

< Message edited by dfo99 -- 2/4/2014 5:47:47 >
Post #: 14
2/4/2014 22:43:03   
Rui.
Banned

 
Abyss bot just does 40 + 80 + 120 that's 240 damage in 3 turns if u hit the target non stop considering it does 30 damage when u use it once with 0 / 1 or 2 focus .. My strike will do 250 damage so its not OP moreover its very under powered.. It needs to be changed to 100 200 and 300.

The Hawk on the other hand being a non promo does 360 damage plus stops u from using ur armour special eg .. platinum pride / generator etc..

The most OP bot in the game is the pyro fly that can devastate you if it cripples the right skill ..

I do not see anything OP with the hawk or the abyss.. well thats my take on it anyways
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