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1/8/2016 18:34:46   
The berserker killer
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 Name: Ghost God
Level: 40
Class: Merc
Server/s: Epic


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Brief Description: I've got 146 support. The reason I did this is because at 146 support the majority of support builds I should fight should have 140 support (132 +6 on underdog (given their rank) and maybe the +2 eternal core). The bug is that over the course of 7 days, I made sure to encounter and record 300 support Mercs with 130-140 support.

My problem? I went second 283 times out of 300 when I had higher support. athat doesnt even include the ones with 120 support. Somethings wrong here guys, come on and fix this please.

Now devs told me that every LEVEL underneath lvl 40 gets a 5% bonus chance to go first. So why does it feel like lower rank players are getting a 5% bonus chance to? They shouldnt be, doesnt even matter if im 10, 20, 30 or 100 ranks above them. Devs said level, not rank. Which means theres no absolute reason whatsoever i should be going second 283 times out of 300 when i fight someone with 6-16 support lower than me.

Please check this.

< Message edited by Battle Elf -- 1/18/2016 9:34:11 >
AQ DF Epic  Post #: 1
1/8/2016 18:48:51   
One Winged Angel1357
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 Not going to discredit your bug because I do believe it's always worthwhile to double check battle calculations but ranks do equal levels. eLvls are used for match making purposes so it would also be believable that they are used in first strike calculations
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 2
1/8/2016 19:27:33   
Silver Sky Magician
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 10 ranks=1 eLevel
1 level = 1eLevel
Ranks do affect first strike - the first strike formula uses eLevels, not levels.
Post #: 3
1/8/2016 20:19:49   
The berserker killer
Member

 

 Yea that's my point exactly. Its supposed to use levels instead of ranks, but it feels like its using levels or somethings definitely wrong. Maybe theres no cap to the 1st turn % chance?
AQ DF Epic  Post #: 4
1/8/2016 22:15:11   
One Winged Angel1357
Member


 Ghost god I think you are missing the point. Ranks raise the effective level cap to I believe 48. Every ten legendary points equals one level and the only reason the cap isn't 50 because of NPC legendary points
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 5
1/8/2016 22:20:40   
The berserker killer
Member

 

 ....Oh I totally read you guys posts wrong. So elevels do affect first turn.... Awww come on guys that's not fair!

But thank you so much for making it clear to me. It means alot

< Message edited by The berserker killer -- 1/8/2016 22:21:06 >
AQ DF Epic  Post #: 6
1/9/2016 6:49:14   
King Bling
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Even if eLevels are not considered, a player with 33-34 support less than you can start before you.
Post #: 7
1/9/2016 11:33:41   
The berserker killer
Member

 

 The thing though is that it wont be as frequent. I don't care if its fair, however I do care when its absolutely certain 90%+ of the time that im going second and being discriminated against because of my ranks which I played fair and square for
AQ DF Epic  Post #: 8
1/10/2016 3:07:38   
Thylek Shran
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quote:

I've got 146 support. The reason I did this is because at 146 support the majority of support builds I should fight should have 140 support (132 +6 on underdog (given their rank) and maybe the +2 eternal core). The bug is that over the course of 7 days, I made sure to encounter and record 300 support Mercs with 130-140 support.

Its not a bug. Its a balance problem so you used the wrong forum.

The formula for first strike is:
0.5 + 0.015 * (your support – opponent's support) + (-1 * (your level – opponent's level) * 0.05)
It is mathematically incorrect I think and very puzzling.

With your numbers it could be:
0.5 + 0.015 * (146 – 135) + (-1 * (48 - 40) * 0.05)
= (0.5 + 0.015) * (11 -0.05)
= 0.515 * 10.95
= 5.64%

quote:

My problem? I went second 283 times out of 300 when I had higher support.

Which means you had first strike 17 times in 300. 300/100=3. 17/3 = 5.66%
Everything works correct.

< Message edited by Thylek Shran -- 1/10/2016 3:18:39 >
DF Epic  Post #: 9
1/17/2016 21:05:43   
The berserker killer
Member

 

 With a 5% chance to go first, I should go first about 20 times every 100 matches.

100/5=20

That means out of 300 I should have went first at least 60 times. I went first 17 times in this situation.

So of the 60 times I should have went first, estimated of course, I went first 17 times which is %35 of the amount of times I should have been granted first turn. That's unbalanced. That's not fair.
AQ DF Epic  Post #: 10
1/17/2016 21:14:44   
Silver Sky Magician
Member


 By your calculation a 1% chance to start first should give you 100/1=100 times to start first out of 100 matches.

5% means 5/100, not 20/100.
Post #: 11
1/17/2016 21:30:32   
The berserker killer
Member

 

 Oh wow it's getting late. My math was totally wrong. Sorry about that
AQ DF Epic  Post #: 12
1/18/2016 9:33:57   
  Battle Elf
has ten 1v1 wins


 This is not a bug.

Tagged as resolved.
AQW Epic  Post #: 13
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