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5/12/2021 18:36:01   
Mr. Roguish
Banned


 What exactly is the Cold?

I looked up in the lore and it just says that its " a powerful psychic attack that amplifies emotions and thoughts". But seems to just arbitrarily come out of nowhere but also treated like a significant thing with the Galin.
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5/12/2021 19:24:43   
Aura Knight
Member

My knowledge of game lore isn't anywhere near what others can tell you but The Cold, I believe is from the mirror version of the world and in that place for whatever reason you can manipulate people's wills to your liking simply by using it. It's like the Force from Star Wars but more dark perhaps. I'm assuming that was the inspiration for it. I guess like those Jedi mind tricks but used more for negative thoughts. The effect it has in game is an accuracy decrease to targets by way of making them doubt themselves or something to that nature. This may all be wrong.
AQ DF AQW  Post #: 2
5/12/2021 19:57:36   
PD
Member
 

 So this might be a denser writeup than usual, but we learn a lot from Parts 4 and 5 of the Devourer Saga...

We first learn of this kind of ability in (Kled Ner) when Diviara was revealed that he tries to manipulate Tralin in the past, but failed. As a result he stole a part of the orb of Creation. During the Pirates vs Ninja War, Blackhawke was revealed to be controlled using this power from someone. At first we think the Devourer is behind it all (A New Power of the Devourer?), but we later find out someone else was manipulating him: Brihaldo Necromancers working in concert with Omega (Legacy of Xilar), later revealed to be Ryuusei Cartwright in his mission to fulfill Xilar's Legacy. The necromancer at the Brihaldo Fortress reveals when talking to Omega he manipulated both Drakath and Blackhawke using the cold, although it failed possess the later (Evil of Omega).

Diviara is the one who is considered the most adept (Ryuusei says he practically invented the ability). We don't know who actually created it or how it was created, but it is more or less implied that Diviara was so proficient at and perfected it to the point where he was "its practical creator". Others can use it such as Ryuusei, Diviara's son Amilara, the Brihaldos, and of course the Galin. It is more or less an ability to psychically manipulate the mental state of the target. We see this used various times during the Saga. The Necromancers use it as their preferred method to manipulate others to do their bidding as they follow the orders of Ryuusei. Ryuusei also uses it to manipulate the necromancers to do as he pleases. Towards the end of the saga when Ryuusei "Omega" Cartwright gives up his body to be the vesel for the Devourer's Manifestation on Lore (and thus reveals at teh final moment that he was Omega all along), the Devourer uses the power on the protagonist as a way to manipulate them into giving up hope that Creation can be redeemed by amping up their emotion of hopelessness. However in the end despite the Chosen's emotions getting manipulated, the Chosen gets revived and proves to the Devourer via convincing from Lorithia that Creation can be redeemed and there are actually those whom are good. That being said, very few peoples (such as the Chosen) are noted to be able to resist the Cold at higher strengths.

The way the Chosen can access it uses it in a very weak form, primarily to twist the enemy's defensiveness so they lose BTH and blocking during battles.

That's as much as I can remember and gather from replaying those sections of the Devourer Saga. If Cray sees this, he should add important details or corrections to this.



@Cray Below: Sorry, I should have clarified. When I meant the Chosen, I should have meant the Player Character has access to the items like the Devourering Scythe which lets us use the power via the Galin' Form, but they CANNOT use The Cold it lore wise. Thanks for the correction.

< Message edited by PD -- 5/12/2021 22:27:12 >
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5/12/2021 21:49:59   
  Lorekeeper
And Pun-isher

 

 The Cold is a discipline used to amplify mental processes. Because of its potential for overwhelming manipulation, and the possibility of identifying any corruptible traits to bring to the forefront, agents of the Network have extensively used it to vile ends. However, as Amilara shows when aiding the Chosen, The Cold can just as easily amplify positive emotions.

As a component of the Network's favored styles of Necromancy, it can be used to much more easily subdue the will of an undead servant. A more benevolent necromancer of this stripe could also use it to help undead allies maintain their minds after enduring traumatic damage.

There are even places where this power is used for strictly medicinal purposes.

This is one place where mechanics and the lore are fully segregated by necessity. Items may inflict or imitate The Cold, but the Chosen is not capable of using it. This is irrevocably set in stone. The degree of manipulation that it allows for would invalidate virtually every challenge thrown in the Chosen's path, even as a good character who might have reservations about exploring its potential.
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5/12/2021 23:08:59   
Mr. Roguish
Banned


 @Cray

So you mention cannonically The Chosen cannot use The Cold in its purest form but there might be imitations with deviations for game play mechanics which is why it only reduces BtH and MRM instead of seemingly a more probable Control.
Is this the case for the Evil Eyeglasses (misc) and the Prismatic Paintbrush or is it intended that the player themselves never be able to utilize any form/imitation of The Cold themselves and these being an examples of plot holes? Or explained off as The Chosen themselves not actually using The Cold but utilizing it's pseudo power through other objects that already possess it's power?

I've been contemplating more rogue themed equipment (because I have to) and interestingly enough, if I remember correctly, the Prismatkc Paintbrush comes from the Chessmaster Questline on the current cliffhanger where we see Karuna and the numbered beasts with a locked up Radagast, mentioning that he is a "Knight of the Galin". At this point is head cannon, but we know he is really close with the guy we also know virtually nothing about named Khold Staeirgh. Which based of its spelling, looks like it would be pronounced:
• K=C, "h" is silent- Khold=Cold
• "ae"=eh (like in the word aero) +"ir"=the pronunciation air, "gh" is silent again- Staeirgh=Stare
• Khold Staeirgh=Cold Stare

Now initially, it thought this was just an allusion to his element when we Fight him. However when we fight Radagast, his element is darkness, yet when we use him as a guest, he attacks with lightning and fire. Given:
• the propensity of the people on the side of the Galin's propensity with The Cold
• Radagast being a "knight of the Galin" and his closest friend being Khold Staeirgh which would be assumed to be pronounced Cold Stare
• Little we know of either of them especially Khold
• The expression "cold stare" in reference to being to a degree someone being effected by someone's gaze considering if their preceptive/cognitive state wasn't "amplified" outside of the normal, they wouldn't recognize the look as being anything more than just a look.
Is it feasible that Khold be additionally an agent of the Galin and user of The Cold, maybe even a very exceptional user?
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5/13/2021 13:41:30   
Kurtz96
Member

quote:

This is one place where mechanics and the lore are fully segregated by necessity. Items may inflict or imitate The Cold, but the Chosen is not capable of using it. This is irrevocably set in stone. The degree of manipulation that it allows for would invalidate virtually every challenge thrown in the Chosen's path, even as a good character who might have reservations about exploring its potential.


I am always confused by this. Why is the Cold so powerful that we can't use it when control is common and perfectly fine.

< Message edited by Kurtz96 -- 5/13/2021 13:42:08 >
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 6
5/13/2021 14:28:45   
PD
Member
 

 If the chosen had access to the Cold as it has been demonstrated in the lore, the Chosen would be able to do far more than just immobilize the enemy. They could persuade easily the enemy to not do things, do things for them, the works. Virtually everything that has reason behind it would with a flick of a wrist be over (as Ryuusei has said can be used to activate the Cold) as our hero would just use the Cold to manipulate the opposition to just stop and walk away, solving everything in a jiffy. Here’s how it would basically go if our hero had the cold:

Villain: hahaha I’m gonna do something bad!

Chosen: *the cold to manipulate villain emotions or mental state*

Villain: actually never mind I think I’m gonna do something else I’m just not feeling it today.

And things would end just like that. It wouldn’t make for decent lore

< Message edited by PD -- 5/13/2021 14:32:00 >
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5/13/2021 15:00:21   
Kurtz96
Member

Correct me if I am wrong, but we have seen people resist the Cold before right? I think the player has done so at some point in the Devourer Saga.

Most franchises have telepaths that can do what the Cold does and more. Enemies can just have resistances to it and most bosses already get a bonus to status conditions like Boss Boost or Freedom.

< Message edited by Kurtz96 -- 5/13/2021 15:03:21 >
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 8
5/13/2021 19:03:07   
PD
Member
 

 Yes, and no. There are many protagonists whom have had some kind of mental shifting powers but you quickly see them getting nerfed or retconned so that their abilities get weakened. If you've ever read Comics like Marvel + DC for example, you'll see heroes whom over the years have become so overwhelming like that it often makes for a challenge on writing stories. Superman for example has had to be toned down several pegs and reboots during the 80s and 90s when he was so powerful he virtually became a god (including telepathic powers) and the writers could no longer write anything of substance. Marvel regularly has reboots and retcons in order to fix issues of heroes progressively becoming too powerful (Jean Gray) for the writers to handle properly without breaking the "main continuity". The Chosen would run into this same problem of storywriting becoming functionally impossible should they have that kind of power.



As for the battles I can only assume that there's nothing that's considered "lore" in battles. It merely gets recorded as you beating them up, but we never get references to specific equipment and items and the like.

Also, maybe this should be moved to the GD? A lot of this is speculative in nature and has no concrete answer unless Cray is willing to give us more clarifications.


< Message edited by PD -- 5/13/2021 19:05:22 >
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5/13/2021 19:24:19   
Kurtz96
Member

I agree that this discussion should move to general.

Just a note, Marvel has not rebooted anything like the way DC did with the New52. Charles Xavier was able to mind control a planet of a billion skrulls (or was it Kree?) and he can still do that (he doesn't because of morals). Stuff that happened in Marvel's X-men from the 90 is still canon. The closest to a "reboot" was Secret Wars and that destroyed then recreated the multiverse but there was not history change. The way the avenger's first came together in the 60s (to fight Loki) is still canon. Jean grey still has all the history, memories, and powers she had before, she is just not playing host to the Phoenix Force at the moment and is thus weaker.

< Message edited by Kurtz96 -- 5/13/2021 19:26:02 >
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 10
5/13/2021 21:09:40   
  Digital X

Beep Beep! ArchKnight AQ / ED


 Moved from AQ Q&A, I appreciate the responses but this was turning into a discussion more than a question and answer situation.
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 11
5/14/2021 0:25:37   
  Lorekeeper
And Pun-isher

 

 Khold Staeirgh isn't a known user of the Cold, let alone a noteworthy one.

Resistance to this power is exceptionally rare, and took an extreme degree of fanaticism to achieve without prior exposure in the backstory. Realistically, this is only developed through downright destructive frequency or consistency of exposure while retaining some defiant will. Inherent resistance is something not even the Chosen possesses, as the instance of resisting the cold came with Amilara's aforementioned assistance. To have bosses commonly be immune to it would trivialize its importance and reduce it to just another status condition.

PD's example is a simple and valid way of showing why it would be absurdly overpowered from a narrative standpoint.

Lastly, it merits mention that mechanics and the lore cannot represent each other at a 1:1 ratio. In terms of game mechanics, items that imitate it exist -- However, as GGBs demonstrate, not every item can be canonically in the Chosen's possession or representative of their repertoire. Otherwise, the narrative would have to run all possible challenges the player character might face by the full list of capabilities afforded by all existing equipment, crossover or otherwise, The Cold, in particular, stands out even in comparison to two decades of items because of the simple fact that any encounter with a sapient being could be trivialized or prevented entirely.
Post #: 12
6/25/2021 17:27:06   
Mr. Roguish
Banned


 Xov can inflict The cold, is this actually the Cold or something similar that has the same thematically effect and therefore for the simplicity of game play, it is just given the same name?

Are there multiple variants of skills/deciplines like the cold with similar applications?
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