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4/18/2022 12:58:43   
CHAIML
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Void Challenge
Avian Trio
This is not a good week for the Chosen and birds as we add a new Challenge area to The Void! It seems that the last time a little birdie was around, they looked for a few bigger birdies to give our hero trouble... and took some player suggestions to do it. It's time for some applied ornithology in the Void!

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< Message edited by AnimalKing -- 4/18/2022 13:05:58 >
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4/18/2022 14:48:12   
weatherseed
Ribarg!
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 Can't wait to ruffle some feathers.
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4/19/2022 16:20:19   
sunblaze
Member

Ohhhhh that artwoks seem preened!
Can not wait to fly into the fight!
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4/19/2022 21:29:21   
OG Ranger
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 Damn, that yellow bird looks like the chosen owes him money or something.
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4/21/2022 12:10:01   
  The Hollow
AQ Lead


 This will be a Friday Saturday release folks! Kam had some crazy maintenance distractions and we'll need another day to finish up the release.

< Message edited by The Hollow -- 4/21/2022 21:37:32 >
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4/23/2022 16:25:43   
  Zorbak
Ebil Moglin!


 Mehehehe! The new void challenge is here and I have my shovel ready to scoop up the player carcasses for my pool of minions
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4/23/2022 16:49:41   
Kurtz96
Member

Anyone experiencing a bug with the thunderbird? It used an attack that full healed it and made it disappear from the screen?
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4/23/2022 17:44:41   
PD
Member
 

 Interesting challenge. A few thoughts:

1. There does seem to be a ban list for items. I had Essence of Carnage in my inventory and was told I couldn't proceed without taking this out of my inventory. Does anyone know the full list of banned items?

2. Still hoping we'll have a void revamp later this year. It's almost May Day and I hope as part of that we'll get a void Revamp when they inevitably pause the rotation for Starkiller.

3. The Guards each cost 4500 Tokens at level 150, substantially more expensive than normal void guards which are around 1500 a pop at the highest level. Is there a reason for this?

4. Interesting to note the painting description says it's not a portal painting. Is this a sign of things to come that we'll be doing away with rotational content in the void?

< Message edited by PD -- 4/23/2022 20:25:04 >
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4/23/2022 17:55:11   
Lv 1000
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quote:

Interesting to note the painting description says it's not a portal painting. Is this a sign of things to come that we'll be doing away with rotational content in the void?

The birds are under the "Challenge" button, not the "Void Bosses" button (Rotating bosses), so they are permanent. I don't think that the rotational content is going away, they're just implementing a way for the rotation to not be interrupted.
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4/23/2022 18:00:29   
Kurtz96
Member

quote:

1. There does seem to be a ban list for items. I had Essence of Carnage in my inventory and was told I couldn't proceed without taking this out of my inventory. Does anyone know the full list of banned items?

Shadowfeeder, essence orb, prime chaos orb I know are banned.
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4/23/2022 18:03:01   
CH4OT1C!
Member

Creating the phoenix boss was a lot of fun. @AnimAnimalKing did a fantastic job with the art and @Kamui and @Imry's implementation exceeded all my expectations. Thank you so much to you all!
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4/23/2022 18:13:09   
Biokirkby
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Either the banned item list is a bit buggy, or they haven't decided yet, since I could use Essence of Carnage, but the Royal Cake Pet I used the first time couldn't be used a second. OP Built-up items like Kindred's Valiance and Book of Burns are banned, so you can figure a lot of them out.

I liked this release! I love Dragonfable's challenge board and I think this was an excellent first step into an end-game challenge board in AQ. The banned items list could also be used for transitions for challenge versions of story bosses, I reckon.
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4/23/2022 18:18:30   
PD
Member
 

 @Kurtz: Other items that I have discovered that are banned:

Kindred Spirit's Valiance
Royal Cake
Strawberry Shieldcake
Alchemical Unity
Infinitia Staff

Items I'm surprised aren't banned for the challenge area: (But I feel should be)
All Z-Gauntlets
Bag of Mixed Nuts
Cracked Ornament
Paladin
Necromancer
Cometoid Jelly Pets
Big Dictionary
Frostval Past Items
Pixel Ether
16th Birthday Cupcake
Invincible Star
QuadForce
Various Imbues (Terror Fist, Thunder Wave Blade, Fire Dragon Talon, etc)

A few of these on the surprised list should have been hit if we are going to be a ban list, but I'm guessing since some of these items are unobtainable they aren't seen as "problematic" as others that are actively banned right now.

Still, hoping for a release of the full ban list. Maybe Cray if you have permission you could disclose that.

< Message edited by PD -- 4/23/2022 18:22:37 >
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4/23/2022 19:00:33   
RobynJoanne
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 Congrats to CH4OT1C! for getting his boss implemented into the game!

That was a ton of fun. I really liked the idea of the banlist, and the fights themselves were quite challenging, especially with so much cheese removed. Imry and Kam did/do great work with the mechanics (and the banlist), and Anim did a great job with the animations

Of course, I have to praise Imry and Kam for the items as well. The SPell introduces an entirely new mechanic, which has fun implications, and the misc is very good. Choke is one of my favorite status effects, and EleVuln always has a place.
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4/23/2022 19:19:52   
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    4/23/2022 19:54:18   
    weatherseed
    Ribarg!
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    		 That was easier than I expected, though it would have been easier if I'd known about that
    spoiler:

    shadow roc
    in the middle. Instead I just tried to guess and came out alright.
    AQ  Post #: 16
    4/24/2022 0:54:16   
    Korriban Gaming
    Banned


    		 The fight is tough if going in blind but if you're prepared and know what to bring, it's not that bad. The ban list is pretty apt imo.

    I like the idea of a banlist for challenges and I hope this will be the case going forward. However, I also hope that the staff doesn't go both ways and nerf everything + putting a banlist on challenges. A banlist for challenges is sufficient for those who want the challenge and casuals can still have fun with their strong items outside of said challenges. This, imo is a good compromise that satisfies both camps. Hardcore players have the challenge they want whereas casuals still get to enjoy their strong items out of challenge content. Since the staff are busy with weekly releases and there's just too many items in the game to adjust to proper standards, this is probably the best solution.

    I hope this doesn't come off as offensive but I also want to take this chance to say that nerfing current fun items in order to create new fun items is not only ironic and counterintuitive but the onus should be on the staff to be creative enough to create new, fun and usable items without having a need to completely destroy older items in the game and render them worthless. To me, this shows a lack of creativity. I hope I don't come off as too harsh but that's my honest opinion. We keep getting the same reason of not being able to have new fun items until the older items gets nerfed, but I haven't seen a single complaint about the game not being fun before that. In fact, it was quite the opposite, now many are complaining the game isn't fun anymore after all the nerfs. I do agree that some stuff needs to be nerfed and I still maintain this stand, however based off what I have seen so far, the nerfs have been too heavy-handed so I would rather they not go this route at all if they can't do it properly. A good example of an item that was balanced but still retaining its usefulness is CIT. I think that was done very well and should be the way to go unlike the recent PR and DL shield changes. Sure, you can tell me that they aren't completely useless, but how many people still have both those items in their active inventory?

    Sometimes doing the right thing is not doing the smart thing. You can have a perfectly balanced game but if it comes at the cost of pissing off a large part of your playerbase then it would all be for nought. It doesn't matter how good the game is if only 10-20 hardcore players wants to play it. The game isn't going to survive like that when majority of your playerbase are casuals. I'm saying this because I have seen quite a lot of resentment recently regarding nerfs and I think it shouldn't be ignored or simply brushed aside with perfunctory replies.

    Additionally, at least for me personally, AQ seems to have lost its "magic" this year, there hasn't been any new items released this year that gets me particularly excited to use. Maybe this is part of the goal of releasing balanced items in the game but that also takes away alot of fun and excitement from playing around with broken items that we used to have in past releases

    < Message edited by Korriban Gaming -- 4/24/2022 1:37:21 >
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    4/24/2022 2:40:45   
    dr jo
    Member

    		A fun challenge like the idea of banning items but would liked ban list before hand so could save time, agree with Korriban on keeping some OP items that made the game so fun when we first started. Do the the fact we can select the challenge fight. Keep up the hard work much appreciated.
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    4/24/2022 4:05:53   
    rai0kakashi
    Member

    		I do agree that AQ should have challenging contents and the clear segregation between normal contents and challenging contents using the void is an extremely good idea.
    The ban list implemented does effectively ensures a well managed difficulty of those challenging contents.
    I do hope that:
    a) the ban list is only implemented for the newer void bosses and not extending towards normal contents like quests.
    b) the ban list is not being too excessive in contrast to AQ should be having challenging contents on the other hand.
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    4/24/2022 5:28:16   
    OG Ranger
    Member
     

    		 I think the list would be cool if challenge battles didn't ban the same items every time. If it only bans cakes, EO, SFP, EoC etc I think that would be boring.

    < Message edited by OG Ranger -- 4/24/2022 5:31:55 >
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    4/24/2022 5:51:34   
    Kaizoku
    Member

    		Perhaps the ban list is the compromise everyone can accept. I still think Essence Orb is bonkers though. The fight was fun enough and I find both rewards to be interesting, I think we've had a good run on items that aren't just BLOODMAGE BLOODBLADE lately, very pleased.
    AQ DF MQ  Post #: 21
    4/24/2022 9:17:09   
    battlesiege15
    Member

    		Oh boy, beat all of them in one go (well 2, accidentally clicked the battle when I didn't mean to). My equipment was NOT suited for it but ended up beating it anyways haha.
    spoiler:


    So I kinda cheated by using Paladin armor and using Zorbank assist to undeadify all of them to make use of my lack of proper resistance equipments .___.
    I'm not sure if Backlash items are prohibited but this is an excellent setting to use that.
    All of them: VOID/HARM weapons!!! Those resists were scary D:
    Thunderbird: Seemed pretty straight forward. Good energy resists is all you need.
    Roc: Ob boy, a Shadow monster. 100% was not prepared for that without the proper armor. I found that the key is to nuke it before it flies away into the sky. I wish I had brought my Thundersplitter for it's auto-hit at least.
    Phoenix: Honestly, would have been a lot better if I had DEX to use ranged weapons.

    Dear staff: Auto-hit Void/Harm weapon when? :D
    AQ AQW  Post #: 22
    4/24/2022 14:00:17   
    Kurtz96
    Member

    		@battlesiege15
    Backlash items were not banned. I used them my first run through. Essence of carnage was banned, but dreadfiends were not.

    Also, even though essence of carnage is banned, nothing is stopping you from summoning it, then removing the spell. Then you can use it in the challenge lol

    < Message edited by Kurtz96 -- 4/24/2022 14:04:09 >
    AQ DF MQ  Post #: 23
    4/24/2022 17:24:30   
    Zork Knight
    Member

    		Considering the Phoenix is a battle that starts out slow and becomes harsher at the end, I feel it'd be best positioned earlier

    That and it seems these are also references to the Galarian Bird Trio of Pokémon, so Phoenix being a stand-in for ArticUNO should go first

    I also find it weird there's no title reward for this challenge
    AQ DF MQ AQW  Post #: 24
    4/24/2022 21:59:46   
      Ward_Point
    Armchair Archivist


    		 The point is to ban blatantly overpowered items from being used in legitimate challenges. EO is absolutely ridiculous and stuff like the Cakes are banned because you can use one too many Quickcasts to trivialize an opponent. Point in case: Dragonfable bans Doomknight V1 from the Inn.

    If you want to go on a power trip and literally be as OP as the Demigod War, actual Challenges are probably not for you. I like the power trip of sitting in Doomlight and letting FruitcakeZard one shot itself for Gold farming purposes, but actual Boss fights need to be a challenge, and suitable Rewards should be given for legitimately beating those challenges.

    That being said, I don't think some of the existing Void Monsters are intended to be defeated without some cheese, like Bun-Bannaret. It was designed at a time where everyone stunlocked and nuked an enemy down. It uses Multi-Element nukes as well, which is a monster's version of cheese. Unless it becomes mono-Element, or uses a combination of Elements that players can farm gear for, Form Shift Immunity on Bun-Bannaret is a huge no-no for me, because one of the few 'Legitimate' strategies left is to Undeadify it and switch into Paladin, then grind it down.

    In any case, any boss in AQ should resist-check a Player. I'm not sure about how I feel about their element resists being THAT low that I want to pull a Harm weapon on them, but any Element appropriate Armour/Shield combination (Exception being the Shadow Roc of which you NEED Shadow of Doubt/Ultimon armour + Luminous Shield and Twilight Mirror) turtle up in armour, equip an element appropriate Misc and mash Attack for the win. Drink Pots when necessary.
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