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2/5/2011 20:08:43   
barneypwnsu
Member

I completely respect that Titan and Nightwraith and Charfade put so much time in EpicDuel, but do you think focus and agility was truly the way to balance epicduel? I mean, they didn't fix the problem.. They only added an extra feature to hide the problem and cause even more problems(purely my opinion).

So, my question is:

How would you have balanced EpicDuel?

I thought we already have a similar one, so let's just use in one area instead: A Comprehensive Balance Discussion. Thanks. :) ~AVA

< Message edited by AVA -- 2/6/2011 5:32:23 >
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2/5/2011 20:15:27   
goldslayer1
Member

focus was made an alternative for players with more balanced builds
and agility was to mega nerfed heal looping mages which actualy took skills to play with.
AQW Epic  Post #: 2
2/5/2011 20:15:44   
Wraith
Member
 

 Well, I would've made Staffs' +XX damage more powerful(Ex, Level 25 bh ice weps have +27 but Arctic Dragon Staff has +26).

Also, REMOVE focus. Make robot based on tech, and just place the +XX in more damage from tech.

Weaken Hybrid Armor.

Remove Shadow Arts.
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 3
2/5/2011 20:17:50   
goldslayer1
Member

hybrid is fine
ur forgetting that by mercs having to relly on hybrid they block allot less because they put less stat points on dex and more skill points on hybrid.
shadow arts yes its OP.
AQW Epic  Post #: 4
2/5/2011 20:28:23   
ND Mallet
Legendary AK!!!


 Support Req on Maul. Focus is so players actually have a choice for something other than pouring most of your stats into str. Agility is to prevent huge health builds. Ever fight at low levels with huge amounts of health? You may hit high on them but it's only around 1/10 their total health. Don't go thinking you can out tank high health at low levels. Many try and they usually all fail.
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 5
2/5/2011 20:30:27   
goldslayer1
Member

i just want to know when more lvls come out and we have no where else to put our stats into aside from health and energy.
i mean hp has agility therefor blocking the possiblity of high HP
i wonder what will be nerfed next high energy?
AQW Epic  Post #: 6
2/5/2011 20:40:17   
Goony
Constructive!


 I try to stay out of balance discussions now, a long time ago after the focus release, when most people were looking at balancing the game by altering skills. I suggested that the core issue effecting balance was the way random factors and rage work! Made some fairly comprehensive posts that offered suggestions about both!

We as players are responsible for getting the game changed to address balance concerns, Titan did what he could!

This is the game we now have and there is no going back!

As much as some players rant about one class being overpowered, they fail to see the bigger picture and as such would rather the game changed to suit themselves rather than change their own build.

The classes are reasonably balanced, the skills are fairly even and the greatest effect on balance are specific builds, the random factors and rage. But, it's a game! Take away the random factors and there would be some fairly boring battles and builds would be further compacted...

Heard enough rubbish about balance! Drop the subject and just let Titan get on with adding features and developing the game... Win some lose some! The top percentages on daily leaderboards show that the game is pretty evenly balanced. I will also say from my own personal perspective that the game is currently better balanced than it has been for some time and every class can beat the other classes. The over riding factor is not class, weapon enhancements, individual skills, but BUILDS
Epic  Post #: 7
2/5/2011 20:43:31   
Acient J
Member

Focus is fine. Agility is fine, too--even if you're a little over the limit, it's not terrible to have one or two points of your Def/Res.

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AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 8
2/5/2011 21:03:18   
IsaiahtheMage
Member

Foucs is fine its for players who actually want a ok balanced build not dumping abouch of Stats into one skill being really OPed in one thing being really UPed in another but want to be ok in them all.Agility is ok.Its The Heal cooldown which Nerfed Mages NOT Agility it only did a lillte.To balance the game try buffing up the Mages and Bounties to catch up with the crazy OPed Mercs.And I play as all 3 so I speak for us all.

@Goony if you think Mercs arent OPed and you think all classes and skills are fairly even obviously you fail to see the bigger picture.Your just speaking with your opinion and that only.Without any proof to support it.No I dont want the game changed to suit myself I want it fair for everybody which it isnt.I know because I am a BH,TM and Merc so I view from all points of views.Anyway no need to get into another debate with anyone else so that was my word to you.
AQW Epic  Post #: 9
2/5/2011 21:04:42   
Azugul
Member

Great balancing idea for all games ever:
Screw classes. You don't need balance if you don't have classes.

I know, it's beautiful, right?
Post #: 10
2/5/2011 21:20:58   
Goony
Constructive!


 @ IsaiahtheMage I get beaten by a lot of mages deathnightmare and Hallow33n are 2 that instantly come to name, Ashari is another, OMNI absolutely pawned me one game not long ago as a strength mage. I will concede that maul needs a requirement so that the high level stun % is harder to get and if the starting heal in field medic was lowered and the rate of improve was increased so that the support merc's can't get away with the cheap full heal. I know that's the issue with support mercs and not the damage they can do.

Also, don't ask me for proof that insinuates that I have no idea what I am talking about. I've played all 3 classes at the top level! Big picture, hehee... won't go there... lmao. Want to know what difference there is between all 3 classes at the moment?

Your build and how lucky you are in that battle. Also, knowing how to play doesn't hurt either...
Epic  Post #: 11
2/5/2011 21:47:21   
bighobbo
Member

Well, people were complaining about how easily Mercs and TMs abuse Support, and how BHs abuse Strength.

Focus was made to avoid extreme builds like above.

But it failed.

Then they start adding Agility to avoid high health, high support, healer builds, thus killing Loop Healing TMs.

Then they start putting all these requirements on BH's most important skills, thus killing Strength BHs for good.

So what exactly is the point of focus when you already have all these restrictions on basically everything?

Nothing. It just makes another simple and overpowered, 5 focus, bot build.

The game will never balance, ever. Too much nonsense has been added, too much things has been changed. I have lost believe in this so called balance.
Post #: 12
2/5/2011 22:01:05   
2qazwsxedc
Member

@Azugal. If we get rid of classes what should we do next then? Nothing?
AQ DF MQ Epic  Post #: 13
2/5/2011 22:45:14   
goldslayer1
Member

@bigbobo
just because BH has a passive doesn't mean u have to put ur stats on it
no one told u that u have to have shadow arts or bloodlust if u want to have those then sacrifice ur str for it.
AQW Epic  Post #: 14
2/6/2011 0:49:58   
Deadly PoisoN
Banned!


 There's a simple solution,agility was never even needed.Want to make sure people don't abuse high hp builds?Make it so that hp can only go as high as 125.I mean,how many people do you see with 170hp in epicduel.I haven't come across a single one.Why?Because the cost is too great,it won't work,so why does it exist?Imagine having a 170hp build against those high str mercs?Game over in pretty much 4 turns and the merc wins.

I wasn't around at the time of heal loop mages.I think 1 player did it first,because he worked out the formula's and he found the build would be useful.He's xendran isn't he?Anyways,doesn't matter who the first was,the point being...It was not a creative build,sorry to burst your bubble if you think it was.

There was no drawback to having 150hp+ and it gave you lots of rope to exploit your opponent.Xendran was the clever one behind the build and every second mage on here seems to complain about a build you never even created.Formulas are readily available to you in epicduel,weigh your stats and give birth to your own abusive build,don't copy and paste and then complain.

I understand that this build was genius,since it pretty much worked in 1v1 and 2v2.Anyway,the next most overpowered build is out there,waiting to be found,just nobody has bothered trying.

As for focus,probably just a smart way of trying to get people to buy varium so they can become a tank merc with a bot.I hate to say it,but focus in no way encourages a balanced build,it destroys the freedom of people's creative juices.If nobody had it,then i don't see how epicduel is any less balanced.

AQ Epic  Post #: 15
2/6/2011 2:18:33   
edwardvulture
Member

An insta kill-button where varium gives you 5 percent more chance to start first.
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 16
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