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6/29/2011 18:57:10   
One Winged Angel1357
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 By allowing discussion for suggestions im going to wager a guess that Art will be able to be discussed as well.

I will say one thing about the art suggestion section which would be gone with Discussion allowed we would not see people suggesting thing like what follow:
"I think there need to be more phys staffs. Maybe a rare phys staff? :D"
"I like to see founder sword the stats will be tech 10 dex 10 strength 10 support 10 enhancements will be 10. "
"One last time to restock all armours and weps and items "
"Make a sword k? With jewels carved into it and the sword is straight the metal should be gold or silver and the handle should be made of some sort of creature like slayers helm and when you attack it shoots a beam of light "

Also i found some Discussion in your Wonderful no discuss section so that is not being enforced:
"It wont work for enahncment purposes. "
"@above
i rly like those
heres another one of my ideas
Claws:
+33 damage
8 str
13 dex
4 tech
2 support
50 str, 42 dex, and 32 tech requirement
has a +5% to deflect enemy guns and auxes "

So if we could Simply discuss these kinds of things we would not have Art suggestion in the form of words and in some cases the description is incredily broad. In the EDF Art Suggestion topic once you posted something the other Artist would come in give their two cents and you would go back to the drawing board and improve your Idea giving NW something better then the orignal drawing also all the scams from Users ripping art from Games or other artists is captured very quickly and the staff were, in most cases, notified and the post was removed were as now it just sits in the thread and if NW isnt careful you could find yourself under a lawsuit for copyright infringement.
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6/29/2011 19:11:25   
The Forgotten
Exquisitely pathological


 I'm sorry, One Winged Angel1357, but I cannot understand the proposal you made in your post. Can you please rephrase it in a more direct manner?
AQ AQW  Post #: 27
6/29/2011 19:20:01   
Circe
Stand Back


 If someone could answer a quick question for me, I'd be grateful: why do you need to discuss a suggestion?
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 28
6/29/2011 19:31:56   
One Winged Angel1357
Member


 glady and yes now that i look at it it is kinda messy

Simply if we Allow discussion in the Art suggestion section to form a topic much like the one on EDF the artists can give each other feedback to create better for game themed weapons. Also well as it will make the random comments about people saying they want a weapon that looks like so and the ripping art from other games/users less fequent or just ignored by the general as well as reported as need be. Also the Items selected by the Devs will be the best possible gear at that time for EpicDuel.

Side note even though you say discussion is not allowed on suggestion boards i found some please refer to my previous post to see it

@Circe I beleive this quote should answer your question
quote:

By allowing discussion on those suggestions from all players, you can make sure all sides are covered.No discussion allowed on any idea breeds the majority of what exists right now in those "dump it all here but don't you dare discuss it further" threads that currently exist. Half complete suggestions. They are spawned from very good and creative seeds of though from the community but no discussion on them stunts the idea from going anywhere. The community helps mature and solidify the ideas into things that are more presentable and easier for the devs and game mods to see the big and small picture of all at once.


< Message edited by One Winged Angel1357 -- 6/29/2011 19:34:26 >
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6/29/2011 20:06:35   
Circe
Stand Back
quote:

By allowing discussion on those suggestions from all players, you can make sure all sides are covered.No discussion allowed on any idea breeds the majority of what exists right now in those "dump it all here but don't you dare discuss it further" threads that currently exist. Half complete suggestions. They are spawned from very good and creative seeds of though from the community but no discussion on them stunts the idea from going anywhere. The community helps mature and solidify the ideas into things that are more presentable and easier for the devs and game mods to see the big and small picture of all at once.


Alright. Now could you explain to me why that can't happen via PM?
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 30
6/29/2011 20:16:24   
xxmirxx
Member
 

 Dev's don't pay attention Circe and voice are idea to larger public. like how we got class change or working on 2vs2 system and founders getting 1k varium free and we got price of change in the game. 2vs1 we got it by say are ideas like lord fred say we should choose are parnters. even ehancement we got dev's make free. varium sell backs. These were all suggestion that was made to discussion. sure we flame at times just get dev's pay attention not being ignore.
AQ Epic  Post #: 31
6/29/2011 20:24:40   
Circe
Stand Back


 Ok. Time for some uncomfortable truths.

This is a new day, guys. I'm sorry it's been such a rocky transition, I really am, but now it's time to look at the situation in front of you and just accept that it isn't going to change. The days of Titan and Nightwraith haunting the forums to chat or respond to suggestions are over. They're crazy busy with all the ED work plus some additional projects getting tossed around here and there - they just don't have time for it. That's why you're here - because while I'm not saying that AE is perfect and I'm perfect and everything about us is perfect, we do have an entire staff dedicated to doing nothing but managing the community. We don't split our time, we don't serve two masters. When you say "I'm mad about the balance" we don't have any reason to say "yes but" because we don't work on the games. This gives us the freedom to say "I know, right? Let's see what we have here..."

ED Suggestions isn't the same as it was on the old forum. You're right, you can't discuss suggestions, but you can post them. And you can post a follow-up based on your discussions in PM and you can include a note in the follow-up that says "after discussing this at length with Angel's Holocaust, I've decided that we should..." to incorporate all your changes and give credit where it's due. PM gives you the freedom to have REAL discussions, not the polite ones that are carefully monitored by creepy, prying moderator eyes that will yell at you for saying h-e-double hockey sticks in public. This gives you the opportunity to have real exchanges that solve real problems before you present them to Cinderella who, by the way, is looking at everything in Suggestions. She's like Santa Claus - making a list, not seeing you when you're sleeping.

My point is you're all right. There are restrictions and limitations that hamper your abilities. But it's not like I said "deal with it." We've encouraged you to discuss and collaborate, just in a different way than you're used to. Sure it will take some adjustment and I'm not saying it's perfect, but it's something.
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6/29/2011 20:44:38   
goldslayer1
Member

quote:

why do you need to discuss a suggestion?

to get more ideas and see what other players think. if any of them happen to find a flaw in it. the suggestor can try to fix it.

quote:

Alright. Now could you explain to me why that can't happen via PM?

X number of people cant view the "PM" at once
i know it could happen in PMs but its not like u can start a PM with have everyone who is online at that time view it all at once.
and then if they reply the person who sent it would be killed by replies his inbox will get full and then u cant send any replies unlesss they are deleted.

all im requesting is that there be a forum extension to suggestions allowing us to discuss the suggestion. (like in this forum we suggest and now we are discussing. )

< Message edited by goldslayer1 -- 6/29/2011 20:45:32 >
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6/29/2011 20:44:38   
xxmirxx
Member
 

 circle I am confuse. so were not allow to discuss are suggestion in EpicDuel General Discussion. Rules don't change and we still got pm people. pm system doesn't work because of people asking for F4F on pms basically people don't pick up are pms. ED isn't even close to way you run forums in other section. I don't blame you because you lack ED forum style and don't play ED to understand what were talking about. please say your paragraph again but make me understand meaning dumb down pretend I am 10. ty
AQ Epic  Post #: 34
6/29/2011 21:13:24   
One Winged Angel1357
Member


 Circe i will you give a chance on this one just like i gave AEF a chance on the merge. I will find a suggestion and i will try to have a discussion about it with its creator.

But i will not be happy about it for the exact reason mir said most people dont touch their PM's becuase of all the begging generated on the ED section becuase of fame, to be honest i only touch me PM's if i get an email that is a read reciept or the Title is a topic or quote of mine.
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6/29/2011 21:43:10   
helloguy
Member

If we have a suggestion we have to be able to discuss it under GD. I want to be able to discuss my suggestions to the general public, making it general discussion.the suggestion part of the forums is dead. We want to be able to hear the public's opinions and maybe even some tips to improve our ideas.
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6/29/2011 22:07:21   
xxmirxx
Member
 

 So basically she wants old way and were getting same treatment as gamma were be ignore . this will trun bad circle pretty soon everyone will no longer look other way.
AQ Epic  Post #: 37
6/29/2011 22:07:56   
ArchMagus Orodalf
Member

quote:

X number of people cant view the "PM" at once


They can. You can send one PM to three people, and they can each use the "Reply All" button to have a discussion among the four of you.

As for the Fame for Fame issue... This is a quote from the thread:

quote:

NOTE: This thread is the only place where asking for fame is allowed. Posting to ask for fame outside of this thread (including signatures) is considered begging and is not allowed.


Unless I'm grievously mistaken, that would apply to PMs, as well. PMs follow the rules of the rest of the forum. Begging should be prohibited, just as trolling and flaming via PM are.

quote:

If we have a suggestion we have to be able to discuss it under GD. I want to be able to discuss my suggestions to the general public, making it general discussion.


Not really. The "General Discussion" forums (I'm talking all AE games in general) are generally for in-game and speculated in-game content (as in "General Game Discussion" rather than "General OOC Discussion"), rather than suggested content.

quote:

the suggestion part of the forums is dead. We want to be able to hear the public's opinions and maybe even some tips to improve our ideas.


As Circe mentioned, Cinderella looks at the suggestions. You can also talk all the "h-e-double hockey sticks" you want over PM about improving your suggestion, and then quote said discussion in your suggestion (with the consent of the other participants in the discussion, of course).

quote:

ED isn't even close to way you run forums in other section.


Really? *glances at DF Suggestions* Oh, PM-only discussion. *glances at AQW Suggestions* There's PM-only discussion there, too. *glances at MQ Suggestions* Oh, it's that way there, too.

quote:

and then if they reply the person who sent it would be killed by replies his inbox will get full and then u cant send any replies unlesss they are deleted.


I don't see how someone can gather 40 PMs (or 500, depending on the person) worth of replies in a short amount of time. If you need room to archive your discussions, you can save it as a Word or other document on your computer, or even save the E-Mails you can get when people send you PMs.
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6/29/2011 22:21:05   
xxmirxx
Member
 

 LOL soo you actually have no idea about how bad fame is. There is loop holes around fame by pms. today I pm 40 people to post there idea here you know how many actually apply 4. by pm other people the dev's don't actually know how popular idea is. dude you actually don't have clue how old forums run and good it was for dev's. We didn't want come here but we all did. my point is saying we don't want same rules apply on ED. Were actually well diversified community.
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6/29/2011 22:25:36   
ArchMagus Orodalf
Member

quote:

There is loop holes around fame by pms.


Meaning? There shouldn't be loopholes. Soliciting fame via PM should be, if it isn't already, prohibited.
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6/29/2011 22:29:19   
xxmirxx
Member
 

 lol they don't say fame
AQ Epic  Post #: 41
6/29/2011 22:30:25   
ArchMagus Orodalf
Member

... So they're asking for fame... by not asking for it? The point is that the PM system is a perfectly viable place to discuss suggestions.
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6/29/2011 22:34:28   
xxmirxx
Member
 

 you don't get it you haven't actually play ed since beta. so I will ask you kindly stop post here. question were you with us on old forums.

< Message edited by xxmirxx -- 6/29/2011 22:36:47 >
AQ Epic  Post #: 43
6/29/2011 22:39:00   
The Forgotten
Exquisitely pathological


 Let's return to the suggestion on ED Suggestions. Bothersome PMs should be forwarded to a moderating staff to be dealt with.
AQ AQW  Post #: 44
6/29/2011 22:41:31   
ArchMagus Orodalf
Member

Sorry, TF. It seems, however, that they are relevant to the discussion at hand because they interfere with forumites' perceptions of the PM system as a viable alternative to discussion on an open forum...
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6/29/2011 22:44:04   
Eukara Vox
Legendary AdventureGuide!


 As it seems that Circe has established an answer and the posting is beginning to take on a tone that is not welcome on the forums, or is going towards an off-topic chatter, I am locking this for now.

If Circe would like to add anything, I am sure she will. My lock is not definite, by all means, just for the moment until an Admin, or Circe herself decide to re-open it.
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