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11/24/2012 13:41:31   
zameel
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 How about reopening the arcade again, except make it a bit different.
5 points for a fight, but you only fight non-varium opponents. Or make it a choice to choose varium only fights, or both. Two buttons to choose; Skill only or Varium only.
Many people have varium now, but some people choose not to fight with varium, which makes it much more of a challenge. But when you fight someone the same lvl as you who paid a ton of cash for varium, well, its like challenging an athelete with steroids at the olympics. Its not fair, and the chance of winning is pretty slim.
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11/24/2012 13:51:47   
Mother1
Member

Not supported.

This would make non variums even bigger punching bags for the varium players. Not to mention why do we need the arcade open when every single battle in epic duel now is an arcade battle that you can do without it costing you anything?

If anything they should add better prizes that can drop instead of opening the arcade back.

Plus this idea has been suggested several times already.
Epic  Post #: 2
11/25/2012 0:59:07   
Metallico
Member

Not supported, what´s the point of varium? and we already have now a FREE chance to get a pvp drop

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< Message edited by Eventus -- 11/26/2012 22:21:52 >
Epic  Post #: 3
11/26/2012 22:15:32   
zameel
Member
 

 yeah, so my post had nothing to do with prizes or drops, but whatever. Im sure the devs understand my suggestion.
Post #: 4
11/26/2012 22:19:31   
Blaze The Aion Ender
Member

They may understand that it would make non varium have a terrible disadvantage
I could spend 1k tokens right now on that, and get 200 free wins against nonvars, which is horrible
I will back up and say maybe 190 free wins, some non vars are dang good xD

Either way, not support
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 5
11/26/2012 22:30:07   
zameel
Member
 

 that would work both ways, it would also make non var. with an actual challange. A non v. would use the arcade and be able to choose to fight a non varium, instead of getting clobbered by varium.
Post #: 6
11/26/2012 22:36:19   
Blaze The Aion Ender
Member

But we have to look at the fact that varium players would abuse this a lot
Also, the only ones who would benefit from this would be good non vars, and good variums, because other players who play and win less have less battle tokens

This would also make it so there are less varium players for varium players to fight, since they would be in this new arcade mode, so even if I weren't at the arcade, I would fight an unusually large amount of non varium players
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 7
11/26/2012 22:41:24   
zameel
Member
 

 Yeah, i see lots of reasons why this wouldnt be implemented. But it could be done without abuse.

For example: If you fight in arcade with any varium items equipped, you can only fight other players with varium, no choice. If you remove equipped varium, or have no varium, and use arcade, you only fight non varium equipped players.
Post #: 8
11/26/2012 23:25:37   
Chosen 0ne
Banned


 @zameel
This isn't fair. Varium players pay for their advantage over non variums. If they made this, it's just making it harder on the variums and easier on the non variums.
DF AQW Epic  Post #: 9
11/26/2012 23:42:20   
zameel
Member
 

 I think it would make it equal for both varium and non varium players if you play in the arcade. Variums would be equalled in battles instead of overpowering their non-varium opponents. And high lvl non varium players will actually have a chance to win against another non varium player. But this is only if you play in the arcade which will cost you a set amount of battle tokens, maybe only 5 tokens, or maybe 50 tokens. Its not like everyone without varium will be non-stop playing in the arcade. But with a few tokens saved up, you can actually have fun playing agains other players of the same strengths. Be the best of the non variums fighters for the day and win an acheivement.
Post #: 10
11/27/2012 15:48:39   
Sgt.Rock
Member

Supported
Post #: 11
11/28/2012 6:20:23   
alt stink
Member

i only want the arcade background i miss the tron style of that place
Post #: 12
11/28/2012 9:56:22   
Mother1
Member

@ Zameel

Even with your edit I still don't support. There are Varium players who don't use enhancements. These kinds of players are a little stronger then non variums but still weaker then varium players. If they get pinned up against fully powered varium players then they will be the punching bags of these players.

Visa versa could be said for Non variums. There are some who enhance their items and pinning them against non enhanced non varium players? The non enhanced players would be the punching bags of the enhanced player.

It wouldn't create balance it would still hurt it.
Epic  Post #: 13
11/28/2012 11:27:17   
zameel
Member
 

 @ Mother1

Your argument about enhanced items is irrelevant. It's the same thing as saying that some people don't buy armor so they would get pummelled, or some people choose to only fight with their primary weapons and no guns. Anyone can buy enhancements, you dont need varium. Anyone can buy armor and guns. It's totally up to the individual and how they use their credits or varium. The arcade isn't only for lvl 35's so lower levels will still use it and there's a pretty good chance that a lvl 15 won't have enhancements anyway. But by the time they get into their higher lvls, then they will enhance items. It's not like its not available to anyone.

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11/28/2012 11:39:44   
Mother1
Member

@ Zameel

Your new idea was put into play so that the fights would be more fair correct? Well I just pointed out something you missed.

Also do you know the reason why Most non variums are the punching bags of varium players? Enhancements that is why. without enhancements a varium player only has the advantage with the gear which believe it or not isn't a lot.

Also while it is true everyone could get enhancements not everyone can afford them. Not everyone can by a 10K package, and do you know how much time it takes for non variums to farm for the credits needed for enhancements? Only a lot of time even if you are playing 24/7.

Why do you think most non variums don't enhance? because they can't afford to do so. Why do some Varium players only get the gear but don't enhance? Because they can't afford to. And your new idea while it may seem more fair still put varium players who can't afford to enhance against fully enhanced varium player, and Non variums who can enhance against non varium players who can't afford to enhance. At any level this wouldn't be fair not just level 35. That is what I am pointing out.

< Message edited by Mother1 -- 11/28/2012 11:41:43 >
Epic  Post #: 15
11/28/2012 11:57:46   
zameel
Member
 

 You didnt point out something I missed, I knew about enhancements, I use them too and it makes no difference to the topic. Anyone can enhance, it doesnt cost much to add them. Not everyone can afford armor either, but they will eventually get them. This is for varium only fighting varium only, and non variums fighting non variums. It doesnt matter what you wear, its up to you to equip yourself, its not like the fights are gonna be that you both have to wear the exact same items and no enhancements. Think logical. If you choose to spend your credits on enhancements instead of a new auxillery gun, its up to you. Its still a fair fight because neither of you are wearing varium.

I'm curious as to why you wouldn't support this anyway. Its not like you have to fight in the arcade anyways. You can choose to fight normally as much as you want to. Fight the normal way as we do now, and you will not see any difference. The ONLY difference would be if you choose to fight in the arcade.
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11/28/2012 12:12:44   
Mother1
Member

@ Zameel

Then why did you choose to seperate varium's from non variums? I read your post and you said it yourself to make it fair for everyone you wouldn't pair a varium vs a non varium, and we both know that enhancements are the main reason why Non varium players are the punching bags of varium players. Think about what is a non varium player with fully Enhanced gear? A little less powerful then a fully powered varium player (Since Varium gear has slightly higher stats). What is a varium player without enhancements? A slighter more powerful non varium player (since without enhancements varium gear is slightly better then non varium gear). Cause if you are saying enhancements don't matter then there would be no need to seperate varium players from non variums.

As for why I couldn't support this idea the main reason as I said in my original post the staff removed the original arcade for PVP drop system we have now because you had to pay battle tokens to play, you had to win in order to claim a prize, and even if you did win the chances of getting a prize were slim to none even if the prizes were better. The way it is now you don't have to pay any token to play, and every battle is an arcade battle for prizes.

This was why I said if anything they should add better prizes for drops instead of doing this.
Epic  Post #: 17
11/28/2012 12:26:10   
zameel
Member
 

 In your original post you thought that this was all about drops and prizes, and you still think that's what this is about. I wouldnt care if you could not get a single drop ever in the arcade. This has nothing to do with it.

All you would have to do is avoid the arcade and just fight the way you always do with no differences to your playstyle whatsoever. Only the people who saved enough tokens and WANT to play in the arcade will. And like i said in an earlier post, if it costs 50 tokens to play, its not like they're gonna be playing there all day every day.

Post #: 18
11/28/2012 12:55:56   
Mother1
Member

@ Zameel

I see so it is just a another fighting mode no prizes and what not.

However, what originally lured people to play the arcade was to have the chance of winning the one of the prizes that it offered. Especially with non variums since back then they were trying to get a varium prize without spending varium. There would need to be something to lure the players there besides this because otherwise if it were put into play the idea could very well flop.

Also all prizes business aside it would still be unbalanced even if you paired varium vs varium, or non varium vs non varium. I remember you said you wanted to keep them with each other for fairness, but as I stated before those who enhanced themselves that are non varium, and those who didn't that are varium players wouldn't be on equal ground with their counterparts. So if anything it would need to be done more by stat points. (enhancements included) If you do this along with level gaps then the only advantage that would be there would be the type of build being used.
Epic  Post #: 19
11/28/2012 14:58:37   
zameel
Member
 
quote:

If you do this along with level gaps then the only advantage that would be there would be the type of build being used


Your starting to get the point, but your still off. And that statement there tells me that you've had to rely on varium to help you win your battles. See, your build is not the only advantage you have, skill is also a big factor.

Many people play this game, and they hardly ever win their fights, even in their mid 20's lvls. So the thing they have to do is buy varium and then they can finally win some games. Just because you have varium and can beat non-varium players 3 lvls below you, doesn't mean you're skilled at this game.
You play this game long enough without varium and you start to get skills, by learning how to beat others, but of course, if you have a varium opponent who paid lots of money and he's 3 or more lvls above you, you really have no chance, especially after lvl 30.

This suggestion is simply bringing people who paid the same amount of money, or none, together to see who really is the most skilled at this game.
I definately enjoy beating someone who is the same level as I am and doesn't have any varium, like me, instead getting into a battle with someone who has all the latest varium gear where I know i have zero chance.
And if I lose against someone who doesnt have varium, I'll know it was a fair fight, and he was more skilled than I.

Post #: 20
11/28/2012 15:33:49   
Sgt.Rock
Member

Yes I agree

It takes lots of skills to fight with no varium
As soon as you buy varium you dont need skill anymore. Fights are easy untill after 28
After you buy varium the skill is gone and now its all about how much money you pay to win
I have varium and no varium characters, both fun to play
Post #: 21
11/28/2012 16:16:28   
Mother1
Member

@ zameel

Please explain how does buying varium make you any less skillful then staying a free to play player? Varium players have to think and plan just as non varium players do. We all have to do the same thing with different builds so what makes A non varium more skilled then a varium player?
Epic  Post #: 22
11/28/2012 16:27:51   
zameel
Member
 

 if you paid for the highest package for varium and you're lvl 35 i dont think you'd need very much skill against a lvl 35 without any varium. The only way you could measure skill with varium players is if they both paid the same amount of varium and were the same lvls.

< Message edited by zameel -- 11/28/2012 16:29:05 >
Post #: 23
11/28/2012 16:41:55   
Mother1
Member

@ Zameel

I have to disagree with that. Just because you are at the same level and have an advantage over another player doesn't mean you will win. Especially with other factors such as you are going against a non varium/Varium player who has a build that can counter yours or put you on the ropes. Being able to beat these kinds of players weather you are varium or non varium is what can gauge your true skill. I know you have come across this before as have I. But I have to ask have you ever used varium before or have you been a pure non varium since level one? Cause if the later is the cause I don't think you have seen both sides of the stone.
Epic  Post #: 24
11/28/2012 16:52:16   
zameel
Member
 

 yup, i have an old varium player, if i use him i can easilly defeat almost any non varium players, say 9 out of 10 times or more. But I can't come close to most varium players with modern varium.
At lvl 19 i bought varium and enjoyed a long time of being almost unbeatable. To the point of no excitement.

When I started a new character, I didnt use varium at all, and for almost every fight I didn't know the outcome, so had to really strategize all the way. I didn't have to do too much with my varium character till i reached around 30 when almost everyone has varium.

It was a huge advantage.
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