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1/16/2013 0:56:33   
Xendran
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Actually, this games target group is teenagers, and originally was adults.
And if you think that nobody will spend varium on cosmetic things: Remember when it cost varium to recolor yourself when using a varium hairstyle? Still saw *massive* amounts of color changing. Even with the new system, people buy all kinds of varium hairstyles, even ones they won't use.
Want to know what else is cosmetic? Name changing. Again, massive amounts of name changes are purchased.

Also, nearly 100% of games with microtransactions make nearly all of their money from cosmetics.

< Message edited by Xendran -- 1/16/2013 0:57:52 >
AQ DF Epic  Post #: 26
1/16/2013 2:13:15   
SouL Prisoner
Member

^ your idea might work better if they provide an achievement for it :)


quote:

yup maybe frosty colour when im at full hp cuz im frosty :D


forgot to tell about this, but ya its a great idea if your MP bar is made frosty for the frost war :D
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 27
1/16/2013 2:19:48   
Blitzex/Sr. Zeph
Banned


 @ xendran

Name changing and unlocking hairstyles are not the same as a HP bar changing its color.
You get Achievements with changing and unlocking, not with changing HP bar.

Varium color change?
I think everyone knows someone would color change much less then they do now with the unlocking system.
Why did you think there came a unlocking system?
Because people hated to pay for it, thats why they inserted it.

And even if its teenagers. Every game has his own players, and so different views, so also different thoughts about cosmetics items. Studies in other games proves nearly nothing for a different game with different players.
Epic  Post #: 28
1/16/2013 2:34:47   
Xendran
Member

Actually you're wrong, pepole are very much the same when it comes to how they buy things, this is why games can be successful when selling these things.
People are not unique and individual snowflakes, they are mass consumers who will buy things based on already proven patterns.
The sales data of a vast number of other games indicates that people will pay for things like this, and just because you personally wont doesnt mean that the masses are like you.

100 varium for a nice little color change on my hp bar? Impulse buy!
An item is on sale for 50% off? Impulse buy!

etc.

Also: The achievment statement is wroooooooooong. It was never specified whether or not an achievment would be possible, for all you know there could be an achievment. That doesn't really matter anyway, because people WILL buy it regardless of whether or not it's an achievment.

If they added a section to the shop called Visual Enhancements and it offered things like this color changing hp bar, interface skins, etc, they WILL sell and they will sell WELL.
And there can be more than one type of hp/ep bar.

1. Color changing based on HP
2. Frost EP bar
3. Glowing HP/EP bars
4. Infinite alternatives of different colors and possible overlays and filters.

< Message edited by Xendran -- 1/16/2013 2:35:48 >
AQ DF Epic  Post #: 29
1/16/2013 3:30:10   
Blitzex/Sr. Zeph
Banned


 It seems theres no way anyone i can convince you that this will be a mayor flaw.

So, just insert, see how it goes.
But at the end, im the one that can say this because it didnt sell:
"Told ya"
Epic  Post #: 30
1/16/2013 3:46:27   
Xendran
Member

quote:

It seems theres no way anyone i can convince you that this will be a mayor flaw.


This is because massive amounts of sales data indicate that i am correct.
AQ DF Epic  Post #: 31
1/16/2013 4:30:39   
arthropleura
Member

Are you the sir zeph that had his name changed?
Buy troll hp bar *shows random numbers
DF AQW Epic  Post #: 32
1/16/2013 4:41:23   
Blitzex/Sr. Zeph
Banned


 @ Xendran
Massive amounts of sale data?
As far as i remember sales data of companies will never be published, but thats just me thinking that...?
And still, because it is in other games does not mean it is in this game. We still are all different and we dont buy the same stuff. Have you ever seen one player here with the exact same build, colors, styles, weps?
I can guarantee not, only if you had a agreement with him. So no, everyone is different.

@ arthro
Yes i am.
Epic  Post #: 33
1/16/2013 5:02:14   
Xendran
Member

quote:

We still are all different and we dont buy the same stuff


Humans follow extremely predictable purchasing patterns.

quote:

As far as i remember sales data of companies will never be published, but thats just me thinking that...?

Sales data gets published depending on the company. Also, if you took a course in marketing like you said, you would know that learning institutions such as universities have access to significantly more sales data for use as a learning tool.

quote:

So no, everyone is different.


In terms of actual DNA and cell counts, yes. In terms of thought and behavioral patterns, no.

< Message edited by Xendran -- 1/16/2013 5:03:24 >
AQ DF Epic  Post #: 34
1/16/2013 5:33:36   
Blitzex/Sr. Zeph
Banned
quote:

Humans follow extremely predictable purchasing patterns.

Not true, thats why there are so many different clothes, tvs, mobiles basically everything in real life.


quote:

Sales data gets published depending on the company. Also, if you took a course in marketing like you said, you would know that learning institutions such as universities have access to significantly more sales data for use as a learning tool.

True, but those are still not always right if its not done random.

quote:

In terms of actual DNA and cell counts, yes. In terms of thought and behavioral patterns, no.

Again, try to answer this question:
quote:

Have you ever seen one player here with the exact same build, colors, styles, weps?

Ow wait, you cant because it does not exist.
Everyone is different. Why are there 6 classes? Because people want diversity, so they wont be the same as others.
Epic  Post #: 35
1/16/2013 5:40:37   
Drianx
Member

^
You're speaking about diversity in a generally restrictive environment.

When people are free to do whatever they want, they usually imitate each other.
AQW Epic  Post #: 36
1/16/2013 5:41:46   
Xendran
Member

quote:

Not true, thats why there are so many different clothes, tvs, mobiles basically everything in real life.


Somebody's never heard of trending or how it works.

quote:

True, but those are still not always right if its not done random.


Blatantly untrue statement that makes no sense at all if you actually understand the subject matter.
AQ DF Epic  Post #: 37
1/16/2013 6:08:19   
Blitzex/Sr. Zeph
Banned


 ^ you said there were studies. But under who?
If the tests are not done under several target-groups, you cant relay on it since the tests are based on only one target-group.

Trending is something different then this.
Why are there:
Gothics
Skaters
Punks
Emos.
Ow right, because people are different. One kind has its trends, but every kind has its other trends.
Because people are different.
Epic  Post #: 38
1/16/2013 6:51:28   
Xendran
Member

quote:

Gothics
Skaters
Punks
Emos.



There are 7,000,000,000 people on the planet. There are nowhere remotely close to 7,000,000,000 currently active cliques/trends/groups/styles of people.
Impulse buying and purchasing aesthetics is something that humans naturally do. Not specifically goths, or gamers, or athletes, humans as a whole. The most important aspect of this is brand loyalty, which ties in directly with PR.

Give this a read

http://www.citeman.com/12419-purchasing-patterns.html

< Message edited by Xendran -- 1/16/2013 6:55:19 >
AQ DF Epic  Post #: 39
1/16/2013 13:17:04   
ReinXI
Member

On-Topic ~ Supported because.. hey why not? but only if it would be an easy fix and not a 1 week project ( should only involve setting up triggers in your hp that after x% the color changes? )

Off-Topic ~ When did this suggestion on changing the hp bar into a multi-colored bar suddenly grow into a economics class/ discussion?
and @ Xendran your right on the fact people impulse buy hell I'm guilty of doing some impulse buys ( usually video game related ) but
your idea that people would "impulse" buy a feature that changes your hp bar is idiocy the only people who I can see doing that are idiots,
extremely bored individuals, or people who just don't have ANYTHING else to buy. Just because some games make a killing off of cosmetics
You have to remember in a lot of other online games "cosmetic" items also offer stat advantages ( like on atlantica ) they have the IM costume items
that are just that cosmetic costumes but people buy them 1. because the outfits give high + stat boosts and 2. people buy them to
merchant off in game for high amounts of in game currency. Just because it's cosmetic doesn't make that the reason people buy it quit looking
at cosmetics as the cause and step back and actually examine "why" someone might be purchasing those cosmetic items other than there intended use.

P.S. to put it on the record, no I haven't ever taking any sort of classes on business and I doubt I will any time soon and I'm sure you will toss something
along the lines of me not understanding "marketing" but yeah.. just tossing it out there.

< Message edited by ReinXI -- 1/16/2013 13:18:34 >
Epic  Post #: 40
1/16/2013 13:42:43   
Xendran
Member

@ReinXI: Actually, you might be surprised at what people are willing to buy. In vindictus, people pay around $3 a pop for a chance at a color they want for one of three color sections on a single piece of equipment out of helm, chest, legs, weapon, gloves, boots. Needless to say, nexon makes a killing off of these. HOWEVER these items are tradeble for moderate (to a rich player, which is almost everybody) amounts of gold in game, so it does give an extra incentive, because it has a failsafe, where if you get a bad color you can sell it off and use the money to fund buying the one you want. (assuming the color you got is of a similar value, generally Red, White and Black are the highest in demand)
And then of course, there's LoL skins, which are the biggest money maker in the F2P market.

AQ DF Epic  Post #: 41
1/16/2013 13:56:02   
ReinXI
Member

but the thing with that is sure that's a cosmetic item but the simple fact that you can make in game currency gives it value beyond just being a cosmetic item. It's just like atlanticas items in that no matter if you get the grand prize from a IM box or the lowest junk item you can STILL sell the item for a moderately decent gain in in-game currency that you can proceed to use on either the item you wanted from the box or on whatever inside of the game. You can't do that with a hp bar upgrade. Look at FlyFF they do the same thing with there cosmetic items back when I played ( a very long time ago ) if you bought the IM costume items you could make a killing on the in game market because the highest level players had so much in game cash from just leveling they would buy stuff like that for ungodly prices even if it didn't give the greatest stats if any at all they still did it for the bragging rights of owning the items. Once again you don't gain any sort of statistical advantage or can you make any in game progress rating/ wealth wise in buying the varium needed for an upgrade like this so my point stands.
Epic  Post #: 42
1/16/2013 14:01:56   
Xendran
Member

quote:

Once again you don't gain any sort of statistical advantage or can you make any in game progress rating/ wealth wise in buying the varium needed for an upgrade like this so my point stands.


People will pay for cosmetics, or things that make them stand out, regardless of advantage. Having no advantage and a low price drastically increases the sales as well.

EDIT: and again, LoL skins are pretty much the biggest money maker in the F2P market

< Message edited by Xendran -- 1/16/2013 14:05:13 >
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