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2/14/2013 14:36:33   
classifiedname
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So now that Strength builds are back on an extreme roll, a lot of players are yet again raging about the simplicity of the strength build. So i want to ask.. Are you mad about how strength builds are hard to counter, or are you upset that everyone is using a spamming build? because it seems to me that people will not be happy until all stats are 50 ,everyone has a 100 health, and all skill points are distributed evenly among every skill. What i really want to know is, if builds that spam strength are stupid, what qualifies as a smart build?
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 1
2/14/2013 14:42:09   
ND Mallet
Legendary AK!!!


 A smart build is one that employs a wide array of strategies to most possible builds it may fight. A great example of this was the famous Beta era Support Hunter. It beat Strength abuse, heal loop and most other things thrown at it. The strategies were different from fight to fight. One fight you may have needed to start off with a shield, the next you might use Smokescreen and the next you might just use your aux. It all depended on your opponent and how they played. Even if you went second, you'd be able to pull that into your strategy to help you win.

So basically a smart build is something that uses multiple skills or strategies in an attempt to counter several different types of builds that it may face.
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 2
2/14/2013 14:43:23   
Mother1
Member

I remember back in delta I had a focus 5 TM that could not only beat a lot of OP builds, but at the same time wasn't what people expected. Most who saw it would point out that I only had 88 health (which was extreme low for delta)

But for me a smart build is something that no matter what situation you are in you can always use something and you are not pinned in a corner which was what my old TM build was to me.
Epic  Post #: 3
2/14/2013 14:43:36   
Warmaker04
Member
 

 Or some combinations as well
AQW Epic  Post #: 4
2/14/2013 14:44:23   
Stabilis
Member

It is no one's fault that they do not have or are able to use a smart build, our game's skill trees lack expansion since many months ago (overall between each class); plus, skill cores are just being distributed, although it should be fast.
AQ Epic  Post #: 5
2/14/2013 14:47:57   
the final hour
Banned


 @ mother i pointed that out

on topic - i think a smart build is a unusual build that everyone isnt using that has a decent win rate and is able to counter most other builds . id say all but their should never be a build that can defeat everything it comes up against for obvious reasons . although the staff have made some pretty hefty over sights which have left builds far too powerful . a few of said builds lurking around in omega i do not class said builds as smart.
Post #: 6
2/14/2013 15:35:23   
Blaze The Aion Ender
Member

My 155 hp support techmage can beat most strength mercs
The last one I lost to had 1 hp at the end...

the build, however, loses to other builds my my diff builds wouldn't
As in str mass BH, and other unusual things
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 7
2/14/2013 16:01:06   
Fortitudo
Member

What I've seen among higher level players is not actually a large amount of strength. Every so often a char has very high support maybe, but not usually strength. This is because strength doesn't scale very well. What's very popular is having moderate strength around 60-70, and pairing that with a debuff skill. (Bounty hunters and cyber hunters I'm talking about you). It's by far the most popular build I've seen recently.
Epic  Post #: 8
2/14/2013 16:02:20   
the final hour
Banned


 ^ your lucky most of what i see at the cap is extreme strengh :/
Post #: 9
2/14/2013 16:04:39   
hijinks
Member

quote:

Fortitudo
What I've seen among higher level players is not actually a large amount of strength. Every so often a char has very high support maybe, but not usually strength. This is because strength doesn't scale very well. What's very popular is having moderate strength around 60-70, and pairing that with a debuff skill. (Bounty hunters and cyber hunters I'm talking about you). It's by far the most popular build I've seen recently.


Aw man, I guess what means my build isn't very unique....
DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 10
2/14/2013 16:05:45   
Fortitudo
Member

quote:

^ your lucky most of what i see at the cap is extreme strengh :/

Oh, well, I guess I should mention I mostly 2v2 (lvls 31-35 usually), so I don't know how the situation is in 1v1. Extreme stats are more rare in 2v2, because otherwise you get killed quickly, because of the lack of defense / resistance.

quote:

Aw man, I guess what means my build isn't very unique....

lol. Let me guess, you have shadow arts in the 5-10 range as well. xD

< Message edited by Fortitudo -- 2/14/2013 16:08:12 >
Epic  Post #: 11
2/14/2013 16:08:32   
the final hour
Banned


 actually whan i gave in and went strengh merc (cant beat em reliably join em huh ) i thought hell id better stay out of 2v2 and juggernaut but you know the defence on a merc you can still get it high enough . too kill them b4 they kill you even in 2v2 .strengh is extremely unbalanced right now

< Message edited by the final hour -- 2/14/2013 16:09:12 >
Post #: 12
2/14/2013 16:12:28   
hijinks
Member

quote:

lol. Let me guess, you have shadow arts in the 5-10 range as well. xD


Gah! What ARE you? Can you mind read?! D:
DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 13
2/14/2013 16:12:54   
Fortitudo
Member

quote:

defence on a merc you can still get it high enough

That's where you are wrong actually. You can get some defense, but not enough. This is because of the moderate strength + debuff skill I mentioned above, which is quite effective against strength mercs.
quote:

Gah! What ARE you? Can you mind read?! D:

One more guess. You have the ninja reflexes core on your armor right? xD

< Message edited by Fortitudo -- 2/14/2013 16:14:36 >
Epic  Post #: 14
2/14/2013 16:14:31   
Mother1
Member

@ the final hour

On that note I accidently hit 2 vs 2 and was sent into a battle before I can cancel. Guess what I get as opponents. 2 strength merc's with the exact same build and not only that, my partner is the lower level of the group at that.

Normally level wouldn't matter, but in this cause it was a slaughter since I only got 1 move in and it was blocked. It was a literal hulk smash on my opponent's end.
Epic  Post #: 15
2/14/2013 16:16:06   
hijinks
Member

quote:

One more guess. You have the ninja reflexes core on your armor right? xD


AHA! Wrong! I don't have a skill core as of yet because they are unfortunately VERY expensive as I'm only a casual player.
DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 16
2/14/2013 16:20:20   
Fortitudo
Member

You got me! It is ideal for your build though. So much blocking.
Epic  Post #: 17
2/14/2013 16:37:44   
STRUT MY MUTT
Member

So regarding these so called smart builds, The ND Mallet Guy knew of a smart build in Beta, and Mother knew of one in Delta. Wow




Post #: 18
2/15/2013 0:28:50   
nico0las
Member

I think the complaint stems more from everyone using the exact same build that is bringing success; the players who refuse to switch are unpleased because it is a build that just about every monkey now has, and it is very difficult to counter, although possible.
The problem, mainly, with countering is that you need to make your build in such a way that beating other builds is difficult. I use, for example, a support/tech TM build that works on every set up excluding strength mercenary, and the fact that this one build (that is now being wildly abused) is constantly ruining my day is the problem.

So to answer the first question, it is not the build itself so much as the degree to which it is used. Were it a couple of players, it would be fine; I'm not going to win every battle. However, when I lose 6-7 battles in a row to the same build over and over, there is something wrong.

Anyways, I think a smart build is a build that adapts to the situation, or a build that becomes progressively better the more capable a player the user of this build is. Builds such as 5 focus are examples of these because it takes a certain degree of skill to use them. Not every battle is alike. The better a player you are, the more devastating this class can be. Strength abuse is not an example of a smart build because no matter who you play, the strategy you're going to use is set in stone.

< Message edited by nico0las -- 2/15/2013 0:31:59 >
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