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9/3/2013 16:11:59   
dfo99
Member
 

 reason: skill lv 3 in tree skills
Post #: 1
9/3/2013 16:13:05   
Predator9657
Member

What kind of reason is that?
Epic  Post #: 2
9/3/2013 16:20:23   
Ranloth
Banned


 If they are to become unblockable, Bludgeon that is, then its power would have to go down drastically to compensate for it. By fury, I assume you mean Rage? No, it's blockable for a reason. If you don't want it to be blocked, use skills/Aux/Gun but bare in mind that they can get deflected instead.
AQ Epic  Post #: 3
9/3/2013 16:51:38   
Mother1
Member

Not supported in the least.

Strength BM as well as Glass cannon TM who use Bludgeon as a last resort will have a field day with this one especially when rage comes around. Also Bludgeon is a 2 tier skill for TM it is only 3rd teir for BM.
Epic  Post #: 4
9/3/2013 20:36:37   
  Exploding Penguin
Moderator


 to make an unblockable bludgeon balanced, you'd probably have to remove the damage boost entirely while retaining or even increasing the energy cost.

And your reason barely skims what's actually needed to explain your logic. Try going deeper down the chain of logic before posting a reason which should actually be valid.
Epic  Post #: 5
9/4/2013 1:13:40   
Bloodpact
Member

I won't even humor this, just no.
Epic  Post #: 6
9/4/2013 3:53:56   
dfo99
Member
 

 the mass from bh and cyber hunter is a direct atack too and is unblocable, so a skill that cost 45 and 28 of mana blocable is non sense
Post #: 7
9/4/2013 4:03:00   
King FrostLich
Member

Lol no. For obvious reasons, rage bludgeon is the cheapest mana costing power skill and can hit high already. You mean you just want strength blood mages all over again?
Epic  Post #: 8
9/4/2013 4:05:04   
DarkDevil
Member

masacre costs 33 mana for first lvl while bludgeon has 10 energy at first lvl, masacre has a total of 60 energy so its rather impossible to max.

masacre is unblockable because like surgirical and power charge are unblockable.

masacre is not a field of arguing its not the same in any way.

making bludgeon unblockable is an unbalance please mention the aspects of balance before posting it , making bludegon unblockable makes bloodmages more overpowered than they already are the only downside of the skill is that it is blockable while it has very low cost and no warmup.

since this is a suggestion on something that already exists and you want to discuss its balance go to the balance section.

< Message edited by DarkDevil -- 9/4/2013 4:27:03 >
AQ Epic  Post #: 9
9/7/2013 1:27:43   
dfo99
Member
 

 lol? double atack not have warm up, need only 1 countdown, and is only 8% more weak than bludgeon. the bludgeon is better only than plasma canoon, the bunker, and plasma atack from tech mage is skills that cause very more damage, all skills in max, than bludgeon
Post #: 10
9/7/2013 1:42:32   
AQisFuN
Banned


 What the hell are you trying to say? if we make Bludgeon unblockable people will max it out, and use it every two turns.
We cannot let this happen.

Anyways, bunker is a totally different skill than bludgeon, and Double Strike is not unblockable.

< Message edited by AQisFuN -- 9/7/2013 1:43:56 >
AQ AQW Epic  Post #: 11
9/8/2013 5:06:01   
kittycat
Member

How about make it unblockable, deals 105% damage, and drains energy from opponent by a certain amount.
Same scaling for EP cost though, but increase level 1 EP cost to 11, up from 10.

Level 1: 5 Energy Points
Level 2: 7 Energy Points
Level 3: 8 Energy Points
Level 4: 9 Energy Points
Level 5: 10 Energy Points
Level 6: 11 Energy Points
Level 7: 12 Energy Points
Level 8: 13 Energy Points
Level 9: 14 Energy Points
Level 10: 15 Energy Points

For Frenzy, amplify mana cost to 13 at level 1, same EP cost scaling, Regains HP return by 20% of damage dealt, ignores defense and resistance by #.

Level 1: 5%
Level 2: 7%
Level 3: 9%
Level 4: 11%
Level 5: 13%
Level 6: 15%
Level 7: 17%
Level 8: 18%
Level 9: 19%
Level 10: 20%

< Message edited by kittycat -- 9/8/2013 14:45:54 >
AQ MQ  Post #: 12
9/8/2013 7:30:33   
AQisFuN
Banned


 ^ Then what's the point of making it unblockable? If the move itself has a chance to fail, exactly like how it would be like when it got blocked? Makes no sense to me.
AQ AQW Epic  Post #: 13
9/8/2013 7:50:48   
Warmaker04
Member
 

 Guys he just started to play ED in these 2-3 days.. All i saw from his post, is * he dont know the basics and the strategies of the skills * Excuse me... But this will never happen. so unsupported

< Message edited by Warmaker04 -- 9/8/2013 7:51:32 >
AQW Epic  Post #: 14
9/8/2013 11:34:20   
  Exploding Penguin
Moderator
quote:

lol? double atack not have warm up, need only 1 countdown, and is only 8% more weak than bludgeon.


And bludgeon costs 1/3 less energy, which is a ridiculous amount of compensation for its extra turn of cooldown, not to mention its damage boost is also fairly strong. Why are you suggesting a buff to bludgeon and justifying it by comparing to double strike when double strike is obviously the far weaker and more obsolete skill?
Epic  Post #: 15
9/8/2013 14:36:34   
kittycat
Member

@AQisFun:You are right about that. Let me change it up.
AQ MQ  Post #: 16
9/9/2013 5:44:55   
Tri Phoenix
Member

u have no reason to make these skills unblockeable especialy when bludgeon can do such amount of damage and fury is already unblockeable and takes rage aswell and this 2 attacks being unblockeable on tech mages or blood mages will become unstopeable with glasscannon tech mages and strength blood mages
AQW Epic  Post #: 17
9/12/2013 9:21:11   
dfo99
Member
 

 Warmaker04

my acc is master of war, shut up.
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Exploding Penguin

double have on max need only 5 points more energy than bludgeon, start with 1 skillpoint and not need upgrade others skills for use. the reason of comparison with double atack is the fact of the blugeon with alot of disadvantages, still is blockable like double atack (skill for people lv 1)
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Tri Phoenix

plasma, bunker, artillery, and others unblocable skill deal small damages? and fury atack not is unblocable
Post #: 18
9/12/2013 9:34:56   
Ranloth
Banned


 If Fury = Chairman's Fury then it is unblockable. IIRC, it even states so in the description.

Bludgeon doesn't have disadvantages. Double Strike costs almost twice as much EP to use, compared to Bludgeon. It barely offers more damage but follows your weapon's type thus ends up costing more EP to use.
AQ Epic  Post #: 19
9/12/2013 13:50:15   
dfo99
Member
 

 /\ the fury atack not is the merc skill? that cost 45 in max?
Post #: 20
9/12/2013 14:01:45   
Ranloth
Banned


 That's Berzerker/Zerker. Fury is confusing since we have Chairman's Fury, hence the misunderstanding. Also, no. It'd overpower the class by giving you powerful damage boost at low EP cost - compared to Massacre which puts its 2 effects towards damage AND is an Ultimate.

@below
Ooooh, my bad then! Didn't know it could end up having different translations, so I apologise. :p

< Message edited by Trans -- 9/12/2013 14:24:28 >
AQ Epic  Post #: 21
9/12/2013 14:23:34   
dfo99
Member
 

 here in brazil the skill name is fury atack. in english is berserker, damn translaters...
Post #: 22
9/12/2013 18:02:12   
Bionic Bear
Helpful!


 Not supported, not in the least of ways. This would make str builds OP. There is nothing more to be said.
Post #: 23
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