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10/30/2013 18:02:51   
ED Divine Darkness
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ok, so the developers promised us a big update which would make passives active and would bring back a fun and balanced ED. How long ago was this promise? hmmmm, let me thing; a few months ago? is that not enough time? what im saying is, when they say after the war, which isnt very reassuring. this is because a war could take a year or 3 months for all you know. we all know, that some classes are noticeably weaker than others.
im not moaning or crying, im just saying we need to sort balance out. and this wont happen until biased people stop saying op about everything. we need everyone to agree on the weakest classes and what needs a buff. we need to make the developers 100% sure that a buff or nerf is needed to something. a reason why classes arent being balanced is because some people are being biased and just saying things from one builds point of view. so my complaints with this update is that it is taking ages, and they should at least put little balance patches here and there.
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10/30/2013 18:13:54   
Ranloth
Banned


 Players complained about short testing times for balance changes and then blaming Devs for not taking longer to test it, now some want it to speed up.

You don't see that they have to keep up with weekly releases and then take care of other stuff (passive to active change), whilst before, we used to have balance changes as a weekly release and very little content.
It will come when it's ready. More time means it can be tested more thoroughly, and if they mess it up, the players would be the first people to blame Devs for it. Why? Because they've done it poorly. How so? Not enough time/effort being put into it.

We know balance changes will occur before the change. It was promised for last week but it was unexpectedly changed, and may possibly be this week.

Lastly, only because we all agree on Forum =/= we all agree in-game. Those on Forum (minority) are speaking for the majority, remember that.
AQ Epic  Post #: 2
10/30/2013 19:12:07   
Predator9657
Member

Would you rather the devs rushed the update to please impatient people like you and made a big mess out of balance?
Epic  Post #: 3
10/30/2013 19:50:02   
TheRandomGuyYouSee
Member

He's not being impatient, he's just saying that the Devs did promise it a while back and it's not happening until "After the War" which the end hasn't even been made clear yet.
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10/30/2013 19:56:35   
Predator9657
Member

^ He's complaining about the delay. Patience would help.
Epic  Post #: 5
10/30/2013 20:10:54   
TheRandomGuyYouSee
Member

What delay? The 5th one? The 6th one?
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10/30/2013 21:33:07   
ED Divine Darkness
Member

quote:

Would you rather the devs rushed the update to please impatient people like you and made a big mess out of balance?


lol, im not impatient.

also the way you posted that suggests aggression? 'Why so serious?' (joker quote)

and 3rd, i asked for atleast some small balance updates in between this:

so my complaints with this update is that it is taking ages, and they should at least put little balance patches here and there.

you sir, need to learn how to read properly before you rely to a thread.
quote:

^ He's complaining about the delay. Patience would help.


this isnt the first delay. trans can agree with me here. last weak titan PROMISED there would be a minor balance update that week. was there one? NOPE.

< Message edited by ED Divine Darkness -- 10/30/2013 23:35:42 >
AQ AQW Epic  Post #: 7
10/30/2013 23:07:58   
Predator9657
Member

^Actually, why not read Tran's post just above of mine? It responds clearly to your main post. I just added something that I believe needs to be said.
Epic  Post #: 8
10/30/2013 23:20:36   
ED Divine Darkness
Member

you added a biased and hateful opinion:
quote:

impatient people like you


and i know how to read obviously.
AQ AQW Epic  Post #: 9
10/30/2013 23:57:00   
Mother1
Member

@ ED divine

He promised a minor balance update. He never said it would be the passive to actives change. For all we know it could be a buff to plasma grenade (using this as an example) That right there is a minor balance update.

I just hope they get this balance update right when they do it. Cause everyone update they made so far has actually made balance worse, or hasn't done anything at all. If the Passive to actives change is as I think it will be (which I hope it isn't) any build that relies on passives will be screwed.
Epic  Post #: 10
10/31/2013 7:52:01   
Seteriel
Member

quote:

im not moaning or crying, im just saying we need to sort balance out. and this wont happen until biased people stop saying op about everything. we need everyone to agree on the weakest classes and what needs a buff. we need to make the developers 100% sure that a buff or nerf is needed to something. a reason why classes arent being balanced is because some people are being biased and just saying things from one builds point of view.

*nods* i couldn't agree more.

But, to my point, seeing the topic is "My complaints with the P2A update"
What i feel is missing in the whole discussion: new skills. What's more, new classes.
With banishing passives from the game, we lose a heck-load of diversity. During the past weeks (i've been away for a very long time) i have been looking on what could be brought into the game.
Apart from "nerv x" or "buff y", i also thought about new skills and classes. However, if we take out passives, many things won't work easily, at least it gets much harder to achieve it.

And that's one of the two the main points why i ask "what is the total passive to active crab about ?".
So, in a nutshell, what is that freaky thing about, that all people are hoping for and speaking about ?

Lets get to the second point: nerf "uber builds".
Some skills may turn to a form of base class skill, that is available to the class all time, and which scales with level.
Other skills may become a skill which need to be activated (either with mana or not), and which work for some turns/the whole fight afterwards.
But, this scheme will not only weaken some classes. It will also strengthen some builds: str-support abusers... why would they need to activate a skill ? Blood lust ? Reroute ? Just remove some HP and add them to energy or vice versa. Done.
The main point where passive to actives targets, are the current working builds - mostly Merc, T.Merc and Bounty, somewhat (tank) Cyber (their armos, rage gain, blood lust, shadow arts, reroute - these are their toys). Meaning we lose all builds that can counter the str-BM.
A str-BM most likely will either lose 1 turn for activating blood lust, or do not get nerfed at all.


Hopefully someone can understand my brabbling - english is not my native language

< Message edited by Seteriel -- 10/31/2013 7:55:09 >
AQW Epic  Post #: 11
10/31/2013 11:24:47   
ED Divine Darkness
Member

@ above i agree bro ;).
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