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4/2/2014 20:34:57   
ambien
Member

this is my question, on blocks ( ok here we go again. ) during a battle which is ( only a prime attack which means when you use a phy attack on the other player with your prime weapon. ) l hope you all under stand this. all attacks have a chance to be blocked with or without having deflection or having defense matrix or having resistance skill or having ninja reflexes as a core.

why is then if every other kind of phy attack from a prime weapon has a chance to be block, an yes some of the damage still happens, why then does the dreaded attack of the bhs or chs massacre
can never be blocked. yes damage can be reduce by using as stated above by using ninja reflexes, defense matrix, deflection cores, an by using skill trees resistance skills.

cheap shot can be blocked same type of attack using the claws of the bh or ch prime weapon, by striking the other player with claws. an l heard well the massacre is the chief attack of the bh or ch so why should it be able not to be blocked. ( please come on. ) for reduced damage straight up, without having to use tree skills or ninja reflexes or what the other player has for a core or what ever.

the merc attack which they use like berzerk which is their main prime phy attack can be blocked why is that then when massacre is a main attack for bh an ch cannot be blocked.

the mage for his prime phy attach which is bludgeon a phy attack can be blocked why then not the dreaded massacre attack of the bh or ch.

seems like the rest of classes can be blocked for reduced damage by a prime weapon when( striking the other player with your prime weapon ) by using again ninja reflexes, defense matrix. deflection cores. or using the skill tree, but again why not be able to ( block the dreaded massacre attack ) for reduced damage since all other prime weapons attacks can be blocked for reduced damage ( which means striking the other player with your prime weapon for the attack l hope you understand this attack .) phy contact by means of weapon hitting the other player by force from your prime weapon.

if blocks are now an will always be part of epic duel then every type of a phy attack by the prime weapon ( when striking the other player by contact from your prime weapon , by hitting him with the PRIME weapon with force from your prime weapon ) should be able to be blocked all attacks from the skill tree , not ONE skill get the get out of jail free card.

my thoughts on this

play until your fingers bleed , your mom says BED TIME

always the syfy

< Message edited by ambien -- 4/2/2014 21:41:13 >
Post #: 1
4/2/2014 21:09:31   
Noobatron x3000
Member

Your making a mistake in comparing bludgeon massacre and berserker.

When infact it should be massacre supercharge and surgical strike.

I don't think massacre is OP compared to its counterparts it just works better with strength then surgical or super making it seem like it is a problem perhaps when infact strengths the issue.

AS I said comparing beserker and bludgeon to massacre isn't really valid for a start beserker isn't necessarily physical damage and still energy cost wise its where it should be. And bludgeon lol is probably the best skill in game at the moment energy cost vs usefulness.
Post #: 2
4/2/2014 21:20:07   
ambien
Member

plz read what l am saying about phy attacks by hitting the other player with YOUR PRIME WEAPON which means striking hitting by force with your prime weapon. striking , hitting, going across the screen an hitting the other player. striking the other player with the prime weapon. wow l tryed to explain hitting the other player by using your prime weapon. like a sword fight not by using a spell attack. attack hitting with the prime weapon, not supercharge, or surgical strike. you are using the prime weapon to hit (hit) the other player. melee attack is that better. melee attack ( causes a impact on players fore head by striking him while you are holding the prime weapon in your hand, going across the screen and striking him. ( let me put it this way like boxing you are striking him with your gloves hitting him with your gloves, sword or claws are your boxing gloves in this case, under stand melee, or phy attack now with your prime weapon. ) now again please why cannot massacre not be blocked. ( yes damage can be reduced from the attack but why not have the word come up when massacre is use that say blocked. that is my question. ) if blocks are part of the game. l am talking about massacre attack here. think before you reply read the whole thing please

always the syfy

< Message edited by ambien -- 4/2/2014 21:33:36 >
Post #: 3
4/2/2014 21:57:33   
Mother1
Member

Off topic

Please don't rip into me for answer this.

On topic

I not sure if this is true or not, but I someone from one of the older phases told me Massacre was originally blockable. However, people complained about this because of the high about of energy they had to spend only for them to not get any type of damage for it. So they made the move unblockable.
Epic  Post #: 4
4/2/2014 22:06:42   
ambien
Member

ty mother for the answer that was the question ty you understood the question. again thank you for the answer

always the syfy
Post #: 5
4/3/2014 6:01:01   
Cyber Dream
Member

If im correct, no special attack can be blocked. If Massacre is able to be blocked then skills like Surgical Strike will have to be able to get blocked.

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AQW Epic  Post #: 6
4/3/2014 8:51:34   
Jacobfarrow1
Member

Well, I'd say it can't be blocked because the other Ultimate skills cannot be blocked. If only one could be blocked, then it wouldn't really be fair for that Class(es), then would it?

I get your logic with hitting things with Primary weapons, because most can be blocked, but Massacre isn't just a Primary attack; it's an Ultimate. Because of that, it has properties of other Ultimates, one of which is being unblockable.

One more thing: Since you seem to be saying that all Primary skills should be blockable, why aren't you saying anything about Static Charge? It is unblockable as well, and it also uses the Primary weapon.
AQW Epic  Post #: 7
4/3/2014 9:59:27   
ambien
Member

l see what you are saying but does that attack ( phy ) by running across the screen an hitting the other player to cause the effect of the attack to happen by using your prime weapon.
for the attack. remb hitting him with the prime weapon making contact with him, by striking him with prime weapon.

like this in baseball how do you hit the ball, by talking to it, by staring at it, by blocking it no, you got to make contact with by using your bat. same thing by hitting the other player in combat by again running across the screen of play an hitting him by swinging your weapon that it hits him.

super charge, overload, rain, static in some cases ( you are not phy hitting with the weapon ) no the effect of the damage is coming off the weapon by phy striking or hitting him, it is being cast as a spell effect. you can use tech to help stop some of the damage an yes a spell type attack can be not blocked but we are talking about a phy attack by striking the player face to face going across the game screen an hitting him with the attack by your prime weapon.

bludgeon can be blocked why , the only way bludgeon works is phy striking the other player, an again by hitting him phy with the weapon. all l asked is why massacre which you have to like bludgeon have to phy strike the other player has no chance of being blocked.

mother gave a answer to that ( I not sure if this is true or not, but I someone from one of the older phases told me Massacre was originally blockable. However, people complained about this because of the high about of energy they had to spend only for them to not get any type of damage for it. So they made the move unblockable.
ambien . Date 4/2/2014 21:20:07 )

remb spells casting is not the same as a phy attack by striking the other player. spells are engy attacks not phy attacks . and yes static charge should be able to be blocked because assimilation has a chance to be blocked. yes static charge should be able to be block.

cheap shot which uses wrist blades an foot stomp has a chance to be blocked not as fast as the massacre attack but still it has a chance of being blocked for reduced damage.


ty again mother for the answer

always the syfy


< Message edited by ambien -- 4/3/2014 10:07:14 >
Post #: 8
4/3/2014 10:02:19   
DarkDevil
Member

speaking of logic. try blocking someone tearing through you with wristclaws 7 times in a row with his super speed.
AQ Epic  Post #: 9
4/3/2014 10:37:40   
Trollok!!!
Member

I think DarkDevil summed it pretty nicely xD.
DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 10
4/3/2014 10:51:03   
The berserker killer
Member

 

 Massacre Supercharge and Surgical have a 200 damage minimum.


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AQ DF Epic  Post #: 11
4/3/2014 15:05:33   
kosmo
Member
 

 Ulatimate skills always been unblockable, plus massacre is the most odd skill ever, after it got the nerf that made it litterally useless cause of it s cost, over a year and half ago.
People coplains about unblockables, when there s a core called ninja reflexes that provides +6% block chance, wich is op and a requirment for any kind of build and if you dont have frostbite or good heal for crit heal core, even with the lowest dex this core is the best choice.I feel bad for those cybers that strike once in all the battle and always get it blocked....
On the other side you can just buy the celtic cleaver, with it s insane core, and you ll have your enemy block base chance (that is 8% with ninja reflexex and same dex) down to 2%!!This means, if we assume that you always have same dex as your opponents and they always have the ninja reflexes( 90% of your battles usually if your using 85 dex), you will block 75% less on strikes!!
Epic  Post #: 12
4/3/2014 15:07:28   
Ranloth
Banned


 The only flaw is... Lucky Strike core works on Strike only, so unless you Strike a lot, your melee skills don't benefit from the core. Same applies to the Mastery cores (crit chance).
AQ Epic  Post #: 13
4/3/2014 15:43:29   
The berserker killer
Member

 

 I like your argument Syfy but if it can be blocked then people will beg for Supercharge and Surgical to be deflected. I'm not against your post, I'm just saying that if it were to be made blockable then that would set a precedent for the other 2 skills.
AQ DF Epic  Post #: 14
4/3/2014 15:46:05   
kosmo
Member
 

 Ninja reflexes CAN be lowered ONLY by lucky strike, but lucky strike CAN T be affected in ANY way.Blocks are both determinated by block chance and connection chance, once you understand how each of these can be affected, you can make a good prediction of the blocks/connected attacks you can get against evryone, this is at the base of evry battle in ED and the best way to find out how the battle will end and how you ll have to play.Theres no reason not to use lucky strike nowadays.
Epic  Post #: 15
4/4/2014 10:04:58   
STRUT MY MUTT
Member

It's true that massacre breaks the rules of the prime weapon. They had to break the rules with this attack because it's a line 4 tree skill.

To answer your mother's question, the massacre was blockable at one time. When I first started playing I remember blocking that skill quite a few times and LOL'ing the enemy.
Post #: 16
4/9/2014 16:39:49   
kosmo
Member
 

 This isn t the right section for this thread, looks like mods only come here randomly to delete and block the threads they re interested to.
Epic  Post #: 17
4/9/2014 18:07:59   
  Exploding Penguin
Moderator


 Because no "ultimate" can have its damage negated in any static way, meaning no blocks/deflects. Also if Massacre was blockable it would be way too much of a gamble to use.

< Message edited by Exploding Penguin -- 4/9/2014 18:08:05 >
Epic  Post #: 18
4/11/2014 6:06:56   
kelvin48997
Member
 

 massacre would be to underpowered if it could have been blocked
Post #: 19
4/11/2014 8:24:23   
GearzHeadz
Member

If it was block able it would have to have a reduces cost. It does not have secondary effects like other two specials, but it does have higher damage. So if it were to become block able it would need a reduced EP cost or a secondary effect or possibly both.
DF AQW Epic  Post #: 20
4/11/2014 12:14:56   
TRizZzCENTRINO
Member

jeesh, it's just how it works, some things in this game makes sense and some don't, it's an ultimate skill that's equal to the other 2, if it were to be blockable it has to be more powerful than its counterparts just to make it fair.
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 21
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