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5/8/2014 17:39:34   
The berserker killer
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 I believe in the sole concept that "If you are not part of the solution then you ARE the problem". With that being said, I went to go switch to Legion a few days before the war began because everyone knows that the sides need to be balanced yet no one will take the first step, so I decided to try and take the first step. Then I saw that all of my influence in each regional area will be gone.

I want to switch to Legion because If I am not part of the solution then I am the problem and I refuse to idly stand by and watch Exile win every single war. I'm just one person but I know that someone will follow. I know for a fact that others will follow. With that being said I don't like the idea of all of my influence in certain areas being stripped from me, at least not for this war.

Other Exile players feel this way too and so I ask you guys, please be honest, are you willing to help me convince devs to allow Players to switch alignments without being penalized, just one time? The way I see it you can either take advantage of this, and switch to exile just to get 150 influence and get the war prizes. Or, you can whole heartedly care about this game and we'll try to even alignments out ourselves.
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5/8/2014 18:30:51   
  Exploding Penguin
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 The probability of people wanting to switch alignments to actually balance things out is very, very unlikely. If players actually cared about the community and the game then we wouldn't be seeing 70% strength builds and 20% dex caster builds in PvP, with the last 10% (or even less) being tanks/focus/everything else.

IMO they should just make it so that you're placed on a side of the war whether or not you want to and balance out the number of active players on each side. Would require some story rework and some time but that's probably the easiest, fastest, and best way to handle the imbalanced alignments.
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5/8/2014 23:59:34   
The berserker killer
Member

 

 Well asking someone to not take advantage of this games PVP feature is a bit pushing it because of this games PVP like feature. It's the same reason why people abused buying the eggzooka when it was mistakenly brought back in shops. However I know some exiles who will switch if they wont be penalized.
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5/9/2014 0:08:46   
Mother1
Member

@ The berserker killer

His point is that if they do it like this while you don't have a choice in what side you want to be on the war will be more balanced itself and not one sided. As it now most people just join the side they see that is the most active because they believe that side will win.

Also no i wouldn't switch sides of the war myself. I have been a loyal exile since before the infernal war and I have no intention of switching sides. Even if I was on the losing side of a war.
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5/9/2014 0:13:19   
  Exploding Penguin
Moderator


 As logical as it is, I still don't like the change to alignment locks and switch costs. I normally just went with whatever alignment my friends's faction was, and this varied hence why I played for exile during the infernal war but have a legion locker key (something I regret because IMO crystal armblades looked way cooler than the death flame ones). It was the logical thing to do since the story had pretty much 0 relevance to what was going on in-game aside from missions, but right now it's kind of ruining any war releases they had, as well as greatly restricting player freedom to be in the same faction as their friend(s)'
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5/9/2014 0:19:38   
Mother1
Member

@ exploding penguin

what they did during the infernal war was fair in all honestly because it only worked during that war and wasn't permanent. once the war was over you could switch freely again. The way they reworked the faction system which in turn forced you to pick a side then pay if you wanted to switch was a big mistake. Cause even if i wanted to switch to legion (which I don't) i couldn't do it without paying which really screwed over free to play players. I personally believe if that wasn't put into play the war now wouldn't be so one sided.
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5/9/2014 4:02:59   
Goony
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The probability of people wanting to switch alignments to actually balance things out is very, very unlikely.


Maybe I'm from another generation that has seen online games where it's up to the community to balance the wars. I played a game called War of Supremacy, it was a text based war game based on Allies vs Axis during WWII. It was a tick based game that was won when one team had the top 50 ranked players. The duration of the war was between 2-6 weeks. There was a sign up period (similar to the cooldown event we now have) where it showed how many players had signed up for each team (often in the 1000's when game was at it's peak).

Now, while each team had their loyal players there was also a group of players that would change sides if one side won too many games in a row. I was one of those veteran players that changed and I think that over a period of 2 years the count was Allies 15 and Axis 12. But, the wars were brutal, players could be eliminated (basically, in ED terms, lost all influence and rank) and they would have to start in protection again if they wanted to rejoin the battle for either side (not fixed). I am not advocating this style of gameplay.

As an Exile faction leader in Epic Duel I would change to Legion, but at the moment the penalties and system in place to switch a factions alignment is non existent. I'm not going to destroy my faction to change! And, as BK pointed out the penalties for individuals also deter players from switching alignments.

So in short, I like the new regional war system. But the outcome needs to happen with no input (reinforcements) or manipulation from the developers. Then change the way the cooldown cycle works to allow factions to change alignments and the faction leaders/players can then help their friends. There may also need to be some incentives to be put in place by the developers during the cooldown such as Legion players gain 125% influence for this war. This would break the cycle and perhaps stimulate the wars.

Higher level players/factions should get more influence per battle and there needs to be an even greater emphasis on factions. I'm just tossing ideas around, but players should keep any influence gained. The way the war works now is the winner is the first to reach a fixed damage value, maybe it would work better if the winner was based on a percentage of control of the region.

The last thing I'd like to say is that this will only work if the war is open and transparent. There can be no hidden reinforcement value, then the players will trust the outcome. Varium should't be used to gain influence and the developers need to look at making a game that players will want to play with their friends and develop strong factions.

Anyway, that's my two cents worth... DuelOn
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5/9/2014 4:28:18   
comicalbike
Member

well done goony nice thoughts all your ideas sound good i am like you dont want to lose faction as the few players i have worked hard so still legion with no chance of winning but still hoping for better things
Epic  Post #: 8
5/9/2014 8:33:31   
kosmo
Member
 

 Goony brought all the points of a fair war, also this would allow them to offer prizes based on effort.
Epic  Post #: 9
5/9/2014 14:04:57   
ambien
Member

well said goony . you hit the nail on the head,

l cannot not belive it ( that the mods have not deleted your post because you talked about the developers of the game ) it seems when we says anything pro or con about game developers of the game we get pmed or get warned about it . but l do 100% agree with your post .( l am not against the mods or the developers of the game they are the best they can. )

always the syfy

< Message edited by ambien -- 5/9/2014 20:22:37 >
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5/10/2014 1:57:30   
The berserker killer
Member

 

 @ Goony, That pretty much sums up everything I have been feeling for the past few weeks, especially the need for a stronger emphasis on the factions. And yes, my problem is that EpicDuel has so many loyal players who want to see this game strive so Developers should let us, the players, have more influence on taking control of the game.

Now, I understand that some people will be immoral/immature once/if Developers allow players to have more influence over the game but once those immature people see that there are actual people who care about the well-being of this game then they will act like kids who have just been inspired by a positive role model.

It's our job, as the players, to be able to help out the Developers when we can and to ensure a proper and fair gaming community. It's sad that we are being penalized for trying to do so.

I just wish that there was an Active Alignment Counter in the game that would display how many Legion and Exile members have been active on that day, and I wish this Counter would be someplace Public where everyone can see it because then, deep down inside, people will understand that they should take an affirmative action to balance out the game for themselves.

Now I could be wrong. Maybe this counter would show that there are 300 more Legion Members than Exiles who are active everyday, which exhibits that Legion players are lazy. However I believe that to be highly unlikely.

As for your suggestions about a % rather than "First person to reach this amount of influence", faction alignment switching, especially the statement that varium should not be used to gain influence, I am with you 999%. I am just happy that I am not the only one who feels this way.

< Message edited by The berserker killer -- 5/10/2014 1:58:28 >
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