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12/12/2018 0:23:13

racing.lo.mas
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I know the years before only the winner could get a full promo, but wait, just compare all those lbs.

Nemesis30 won in 2014 with a total of 86k. With that amount he wouldn't be in the lb. To be more exact he would need to make the double and he would only be in place 15th. And what he won for that? The alpha gear!!!!!!

What about 2015? we got GodOfSanta 110k, still not enough for todays lb. He got again alpha gear.

2016 gets better, cosmic emperor won with 304k the founder armor. Good ammount but its not enough for leading now. Only 1 item and not as old as alpha gear. I don't say founder armor is not good, just say between full alpha gear and founder armor I believe the alpha gear wins.

2017 blitz won with 379k the gamma bike and bot. Maybe this is the fairest one, but its still not enough to be first, he might need 60k more for that. 60k means 130k varium if all your gifts are sent to 150 players. 130k are 9 promos of 15k so.... $450. Also from that year only the first and the second would be in today's lb.

This years, players have been expending way more. Anyone from this lb would have beaten nemesis30 or GodOfSanta and won the alpha gear. But what they can get, just one item. Only 1.
Don't forget this even ends in january, we have 3 weeks left. Numbers will keep increasing!

To be honest, players should be able to get a full promo. If you compare all numbers is just not fair. I'd to the following, if you want to wish items you have 2 options:
If you want to wish a full promo, it must be from the phase you are. If you are beta, you can wish for the full beta promo. If you are delta, you can not wish for gamma gear but you can go for delta.
If you are omega and you want an alpha weapon, you can only wish 1 item from alpha and not a full promo.
So you can wish a full promo from a phase you are from or 1 single item from a phase you are not from.
In this way everybody wins and its fair.

< Message edited by racing.lo.mas -- 12/13/2018 1:25:12 >

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12/12/2018 3:04:25

Bender Rodriguez
Member

I disagree. Gifting is already bad enough as it considering:

1. It's pretty much an auction for rare items
2. 15 players are getting items that should be RARE this year

The top 15 gifters would benefit from this but people who want rare items to stay rare won't, and that's not fair.

AQW

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Post #: 2

12/12/2018 3:39:45

racing.lo.mas
Member

I never said I liked to give back rare items. However is not fair someone who spent a lot less than all of us got the enteri alpha gear.

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12/12/2018 9:20:50

Bender Rodriguez
Member

Most people who got the Founder Package probably "spent a lot less than all of us" (however much any of the top 15 gifters spent), but that doesn't mean it's fair to give the top 15 gifters the Founder Armor just because they spent more.

You might as well just start explicitly auctioning off rares instead of calling it a "Gifting Competition".

The winners of the gifting competition from previous years spent less but that's irrelevant because everyone who was around back then had the same opportunity to compete as everyone does now.

In hindsight, if you wanted to spend less, you should've competed in previous years. If you didn't for whatever reason, that's your problem.

AQW

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Post #: 4

12/12/2018 12:53:50

8x
Member

lol... You get a wish, did they specifically write that you can't wish for a full promo? (besides the whatever they wrote about founder armor in the DNs)
By the way, as you're dissecting the previous years, you are not taking into consideration that in the past there was one grand prize and 9 semi-special mounts. This year there in one ultra grand prize and 14 grand prizes, hence the large amounts of gifts given.

Edit: I'd wish for the Rusted Long Nail, that's legit one of the single rarest items in the entire game.

< Message edited by 8x -- 12/12/2018 13:02:06 >

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Post #: 5

12/12/2018 13:25:29

Mother1
Member

People spent yes the previous years because

A) they weren't promoting rating back then
B) they didn't have evolving update cheevo's
C) the item that can be claimed isn't set in stone but rather mostly what the player wants (minus the founder armor)
D) the rating for said cheevo's was a lot less.

I grantee you had B, C , D or any combo of these happened the previous years gifting would have been even more nuts.

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Post #: 6

12/12/2018 19:56:38

racing.lo.mas
Member

@bender rodriguez
As I said, you can get a full promo if its from a phase were you played. Im not saying to bring to 15 players the founder armor. Don't missunderstand my words. This could only happen if all in that lb has the founder achievement. You won't give 15 beta promos, because for sure almost noone from that lb is from beta. And if they are all beta and all wants the beta gear, is there anything wrong? You are bringing beta battlegear to beta players. You are not giving this full promo to players who made their account 1 year ago. We are talking of people who have been playing for around 8 years!
In my opinion, if someone has been playing for that long and has spent and support the game with all that ammount of money, then he/she/they deserve that wish. So don't worry, new players won't be able to wish a full gear that they don't deserve. Of course they can wish only 1 item from a full gear (without considering founder armor)

We are not talking about the opportunity people had before. I'm talking about people spending way more than years before. That's a fact, players spent way much. And is not fair at all that we can only get a single item when for so much less you could get complete alpha gear.

@ 8x
Yes, they did: 'Since there was additional confusion, we'd also like to clarify that "nearly any item" means one item and doesn't include entire promotional packages. Mutating armors and weapons do count as one item, though.' (November 29th desing notes).
Mhm, there was only 1 grand prize and now there are 15* grand prizes, you are right. However everybody in this lb make those grand prizes being worth it. I can say for sure that year by year, the total ammount of gifts given weren't even close to beat those 15 players. (I don't mean all years together, all gifts from 2016 vs those 15 players and so on). Those players have beaten any year, so they deserve it. It's fair, if you are old you can get a promo you couldn't buy in that time for any reason. A promo which could be bought for 50 dollars you are paying for it over a thousand of dollars.

@mother1
You right. However, that's not fully true. You don't need to do a total of 400k gifts to get all those achievements at lvl max. The max you should need to do is 100k (since the hardest achievement says you must gift to 100k players).
Let's say everybody in those lb did 100k. Nemesis won by a difference of 22k, so he would have done 122k. GodOfSanta won by a difference 24k (and he already had over 100k for all those achievements) so he would have done 134k. That is not even close for first. If we keep like how this event is going, we would end with a winner with over 600k and the last would have over 250k.

About C. Hm you can choose a gear, alright. However one of the most rarest gears is the alpha gear. Is there anyone who don't like it? Is one of the best gears you could wish for. It's older than founder armor, it has a cool desing and instead of founder pack, it cames with a sword, a mutating weapon and a gun. The winner was getting a nice reward and it was won by only 86k. To be honest I preffer getting the alpha gear than creating an own item. This year prize is not as nice as founder armor, alpha gear or any other prize was. This year players are only encouraged by top 15, first prize is not that good. Its fine, but not the best. A single player has done 5 times what someone else did for the alpha gear.

I have already answer everything. if you don't have something else to add I will still believe that players should be able to wish an entire promo pack with all the limitations I said before. Those wishes won't be as nice as the old prizes. Only old players can get a promo that they could have bought. Just that, if you are not old you won't be able to wish anything full, just that. Alpha gear as you might know won't be a wish, if you are alpha you must have this gear since you could get it for free. If you are not alpha then you can't get it. Founder armor can't be wish unless you have the founder achievement. Founder and alpha can't be wished, and those were rewards from winning. So those wishes don't surpass the old prizes.

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12/12/2018 20:25:00

NDB
Member

Honestly, I'm not entirely sure what my opinion on all of this is... I don't like giving out rare weapons, for sure. But I do agree that it is true that the rewards for top 15 aren't that great, even if it's already better than previous years'.

I think that a better solution to all this mess is to make the other possible choices for the "wish" a lot more appealing. That way less people will go for the rare weapon and the amount of money they spent to get to top 15 will be more justified.

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Post #: 8

12/12/2018 20:51:04

racing.lo.mas
Member

I don't like bringing back weapons, but its a fact that they already brought weapons back. They did it for the winner of all gift event, the result was giving alpha gear for a really low price. Now we are spending a huge ammount just for only 1 item. Not fair.

And to be honest, we have many options since a wish might be many things. However, everybody would go for weapons. You might have a npc of you, or maybe 7 platinums stars, but it would never be as good as an old gear. There isn't something which could be compared with an old gear.
And the limit I'm suggesting is simple fair. NW (or titan, idk who) thinks is fair to bring founder armor as a wish if you have the founder achievement (even if you are not the winner). Why? Because this player bought some varium but not enough to get the founder armor. Alright, then check my example. I would allow player to get a promo pack if you played when that pack was released. The explanation is the same as founder armor. You played when the beta promo was introduced, you didn't buy the promo or you just bought a lower pack. Now you are spending a lot of money, you should be able to get something that you could buy.

You say its fair to allow founders to get founder amor. Then its fair to allow beta to get beta gear. It's as simple as that.
You are not giving a full promo to someone who's omega, who's new. You are neither giving an old gear to someone who has never bought varium. You are giving it to someone who has spend A LOT of money. I would also say that one from this top 15 obviously has payed more than someone in any other phase.

It's almost the same as varium buy back shop.

< Message edited by racing.lo.mas -- 12/13/2018 1:28:01 >

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Post #: 9

12/12/2018 21:00:11

Satafou
Member

This is a pretty stupid post, as x8 said, it is a wish. All people have to do is be smart with their wording it's really not that hard. P.S. someone take one for the team and wish for win%s to return and another wish for 2vs2 ally link thanks.

Post #: 10

12/12/2018 21:15:34

racing.lo.mas
Member

Even the worst suggestion can't be considered stupid. But I can't expect much from you if you really think 2vs2 ally link can be wished.

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12/13/2018 8:24:38

Satafou
Member

It's a wish, and nothing said that wishes had to be limited to items. Also I said the post was stupid, not the suggestion. If you had a better grasp of english and maybe 20 more points of IQ, you'd be smart enough to realise you could wish for an entire promo set if you so desired. All cuz the devs presume people who are dumb enough to spend $1000's on a dead game are too stupid to look for loop holes behind their reward, doesn't mean that loop holes don't exist.

P.S. someone wish for 2vs2 ally link and another for win%s to return, thanks.

Post #: 12

12/13/2018 10:37:08

NDB
Member

^Sorry, but that is completely wrong. The Design Notes very clearly outline what you can and can't wish for. Read it or read it again. And yes, they did state that you could only wish for a single item, not an entire set/promo.

Since there seems to be some confusion, to clarify OP's suggestion:

Currently, anyone in the top 15 can wish for any single item in the game, except Founder Armor, unless you have the Founder achievement.

OP wants to make it so that you can only wish for an item from the phase you came from (i.e., a Delta player can wish for Delta gear but not Gamma, Beta, or Alpha gear) to make the "auctioning out rares" aspect of it less egregious and because they already made this a thing for Founder Armor. He also wants it so you can get the entire set of an item (i.e. Gamma Bot and Gamma Bike instead of just one of these two), since that's what other years' grand prizes have been.

Regardless of whether you agree with them or not, they're reasonable suggestions. Realistic, at least.

< Message edited by NDB -- 12/13/2018 10:51:28 >

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12/13/2018 11:51:44

Satafou
Member

There is nothing previously saying you can not wish for a promo, until the latest design notes, but honestly that's just the devs being cheap. Really anyone with any sense would make a wish that has an actual impact on the game, as rare weapons don't even have unique stats anymore and most don't have any worthwhile unique cores.

Wishes are not limited to only items as it explicitly states "as well as wish ideas that don't involve an item at all" hence someone could / should wish for win%s to return and 2vs2 ally link or any other in game suggestion that would have a positive impact on the state of the game's PVP. Could wish for a balance change also, says you can't wish for old phases but that doesn't mean you can't wish for passives to return, or a new class based on your own design.

Like honestly if people are willing to spend like $2000 for the gamma bot hit me up, i have gamma bot, beta weapons and every promo package between late beta to pre-omega .

< Message edited by Satafou -- 12/13/2018 12:24:59 >

Post #: 14

12/13/2018 12:29:25

NDB
Member

Tell me honestly. Did you read or not? I'll quote it and bold the important parts:

quote:

Things that you can't wish for:

Currency
Refunds
Stuff in other AE games
More wishes (duh)
Wish transfers
Immunity from moderation
Unbanning accounts
Reactivating disabled accounts
Any other player's account
Ability to cheat
EpicDuel's source code
To be game staff (that includes mod tools, colored name, etc...)
To change game staff (i.e. Fire So-and-So and hire Such-and-Such!)
Altered battle record
Unearned achievements (1v1 champ, 2v2 champ, etc...)
Rare achievements (Infernal War Hero, Frysteland War Hero, etc...)
Unique Skills (for balance reasons)
Features (this is better left to suggestions)
Promotional packs to return
Development phases returning
Generally, anything that effects large numbers of players beyond the wisher will not be feasible. This wish is for you!
Anything deemed illegal, unreasonable, offensive, or too complicated to fulfill within a reasonable timeframe.

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12/13/2018 15:28:32

Satafou
Member

Fair must of skimmed over them, guess my optimistic thinking that the players actually had some power for once, clouded my thought. Guess I shouldn't of expected any less, that an originally implied diverse wish list would come with a bunch of limitations unheard of by anything else ever presenting a wish. Classic AE for you!

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