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Ilø€IMPERIAL€ølI -> Preventing Spam?!? (10/31/2009 7:10:57)

Okay, let's get down to the facts.

Well, you know when you post a post, and then post another post very fast there will be an 'error message' saying:

*
quote:

You can't post two consecutive messages within such a short amount of time.


With that, you will have to wait for a minute or so to be able to post again.

Well, can't there be a similar message as that saying,

"Sorry, but posting consecutive post is disable." (something along that line, etc.)

This will prevent double-posting, triple-posting, multi-posting, i.g.

So what are your thoughts?

*I do not have it memorize, but I'll get the quote--eventually.
Edit - added the quote.



Zyrain -> RE: Preventing Spam?!? (10/31/2009 7:15:21)

I'm sure all Forums have a function where it merges all consecutive posts from the user.

But, there are Guides, Pedia entries, Etc. that need double/treble/etc. Posts.

Plus, that's what Moderators and ArchKnights are there for, to Moderate the Forums and get rid of Spam. ;)

So I am against your idea.

~Zyrain



Ilø€IMPERIAL€ølI -> RE: Preventing Spam?!? (10/31/2009 7:28:13)

^^I haven't thought of that. But this method is different, allow me to elaborate:

Short-Explanation

"But seeing that most people do get away with double-posting > multi-posting, shouldn't there at least be one.
It doesn't actually filters and delete the spamming posts. It'll send a notice to the AK(s) who moderates that specific board,
which will inform them to go look, and check it out. Therefore, they can do their job. Delete, Merge, etc."

Detail-Explanation

"This is not making AK(s) lose their power, it is a way to inform them about spamming post (including; double/triple/multi
posts). When a notice is sent to that specific AK who moderates that section of the forum, they will check it out to see if it's a good
spamming cause (In general, Guides, Encycl., [what you stated Zy]), therefore those posts may stay. But if an AK(s) goes
to check it out, and the spamming isn't good, but bad, then they can do their job. Delete, Merge, Send a Warning, etc."


So as you can see (Zy), this is a filter that does not delete double/triple/multi posts, but it will inform them to the AK(s),
which will help them somewhat. So do you still disagree with it?



Zyrain -> RE: Preventing Spam?!? (10/31/2009 7:34:04)

I think you're talking of something like this,

quote:

"We should have a report button/ mod alert system! Why don't we?"

This has been brought up a number of times and each time it needs to be explained that, while a system like this might work on other boards, it won't on this one. There are a couple of main reasons for this: 1) It would be too easily abused. We would need moderators dedicated to weeding out the false reports from the legitimate ones and we need all the mods we have actively working on the game and the boards. 2) It's easier to just PM an active mod/AK. You can add the mods/AKs to your address book by clicking the button under their profile. Then, when you look in your inbox, you'll see who is currently online. That's the best way we've found to handle people needing to report troublesome threads/users.

Taken From =AE= Frequently Asked Questions.

I guess the best way this could be resolved is to have more ArchKnights.

quote:

"Why don't you appoint some temporary Moderators or ArchKnights in <insert spammy board>?"

If we trust someone enough to make them a temporary ArchKnight, or promote an ArchKnight to a temporary Moderator, then we trust them enough to promote them full-time. There is no "half" or "temporary." If you feel a specific board is having problems, please let that board's Head Moderator know.

Taken From =AE= Frequently Asked Questions.

~Zyrain



Ilø€IMPERIAL€ølI -> RE: Preventing Spam?!? (10/31/2009 7:49:57)

Well... not exactly me point. [:)]

quote:


"We should have a report button/ mod alert system! Why don't we?"

This has been brought up a number of times and each time it needs to be explained that, while a system like this might work on other boards, it won't on this one. There are a couple of main reasons for this: 1) It would be too easily abused. We would need moderators dedicated to weeding out the false reports from the legitimate ones and we need all the mods we have actively working on the game and the boards. 2) It's easier to just PM an active mod/AK. You can add the mods/AKs to your address book by clicking the button under their profile. Then, when you look in your inbox, you'll see who is currently online. That's the best way we've found to handle people needing to report troublesome threads/users.


A report button will not be part of this as this is a filter that runs by itself. So, more or less it is similar to this, but it has a huge difference.

1) This cannot be abused, it runs by itself. False reports will not be send, as it only and will notice them with bad/good spam + (double/triple/multi post).

2) As this is a new method, the Spamming Filter will do its job. All notice will be sent ASAP, while a normal forum user may delay the message by a day or so. (I'll explain it in details if you need me to)
Plus, it well shorten the time, remember is will send the notice ASAP, rather than doing all of these steps:

You can add the mods/AKs to your address book by clicking the button under their profile. Then, when you look in your inbox, you'll see who is currently online. That's the best way we've found to handle people needing to report troublesome threads/users.

It will prove its worthy, I see not flaws in it. :)

quote:

"Why don't you appoint some temporary Moderators or ArchKnights in <insert spammy board>?"

If we trust someone enough to make them a temporary ArchKnight, or promote an ArchKnight to a temporary Moderator, then we trust them enough to promote them full-time. There is no "half" or "temporary." If you feel a specific board is having problems, please let that board's Head Moderator know.

No need for more AK(s) or Mod(s), in fact this will lessen the search for AK(s). This filter will also help the AK(s) in doing their job. See my previous post.




So, you see, this new method is different. It overrules the quotes given. If you still have something to point out, feel free to do so. I still have a lot in my head, and I want to leak it all out of my head. [:D]





Zyrain -> RE: Preventing Spam?!? (10/31/2009 11:12:04)

There's nothing wrong with more Moderators and ArchKnights, they can only be a good thing.

With your System, it all depends if the Forum Coders have the ability to create this...

In all, I really see no need for a System like that. There isn't a great deal of Spam nyway.

~Zyrain



The Game -> RE: Preventing Spam?!? (11/1/2009 16:48:58)

quote:

1) This cannot be abused, it runs by itself. False reports will not be send, as it only and will notice them with bad/good spam + (double/triple/multi post)


Actually, it can be abused and does not run by itself. In order for this to be feasible by any extent, the Moderators will have to run the system. There is simply no way around it...at least, no feasible method around it. As for the part about "false reports will not be sent", this is not really possible. If there is a report system, there is no reason why some reports will not be sent while others will be sent. The notion of "bad/good" is relative, so there is no way to prevent some reports from being excluded from being sent. Also, there is no such thing as "good spam" because spam is spam, and spam as a whole runs contrary to the rules of this forum. If there was a way to weed out bad reports, that would be ideal; however, this is not the case, unfortunately. If this system was actually feasible in the first place, it would have been implemented already, most likely, and we wouldn't have this whole problem about the lack of AKs.



Ilø€IMPERIAL€ølI -> RE: Preventing Spam?!? (11/1/2009 20:42:31)

Well, what is the difference in abusing false reports? I just don't see how it will do that. Care to elaborate?

As for 'good' spam, it was just a phrase that I needed to make a everyone have a feasible image about how the filter will detect if it's spam or not. Not literally 'good'.

Lastly, what's the chance that this idea has not been thought of? What if this is actually a breakthrough?

(I take my words back if this has been already thought of. If so, I will need a throughly explanation on why it did not succeed.)



The Game -> RE: Preventing Spam?!? (11/1/2009 21:06:48)

The system can be abused because there is no feasible way of streamlining the legitimate and false reports without the involvement of the Moderators. Since each rule breaking is handled on a case-by-case basis and, ideally, requires the common sense of human involvement, removing the human from the equation makes for inflexible rule enforcement. Also, some of the interpretation of rule enforcement is at the discretion of the AKs/Mods, so there is no way for a static system to accurately or effectively handle comprehension-required reports. The system would need to be capable of artificial intelligence, which I heavy doubt will happen.

Since "spam" is relative to an extent, and the AK/Mods often consult each other regarding how to effective and properly handle isolated instances of spam, there is no way for an inanimate system to sort out good and bad posts/reports. Hence, the necessity of Moderator involvement if such a system can be put into practice.



Ilø€IMPERIAL€ølI -> RE: Preventing Spam?!? (11/2/2009 3:47:47)

I get it now. So the filter may need some help in doing its job, but that doesn't make a difference that we can still have one.
As I stated:


quote:

Detail-Explanation

"This is not making AK(s) lose their power, it is a way to inform them about spamming post (including; double/triple/multi
posts). When a notice is sent to that specific AK who moderates that section of the forum, they will check it out to see if it's a good
spamming cause (In general, Guides, Encycl., [what you stated Zy]), therefore those posts may stay. But if an AK(s) goes
to check it out, and the spamming isn't good, but bad, then they can do their job. Delete, Merge, Send a Warning, etc."


The AK(s)/Mod(s) who moderates that particular section of the forum will have to check it out to see if it's really spam or not. Which if it isn't, nothing well be dealt with, but if it is spam (double/triple/multi posts) that AK/Mod will have delete/merge/etc. But I do see your aspect, The Game. The filter may have cons, but it does have some good qualities too. More or less, this will just depend on the Forum Admin/Mod; whether or not it's going to be implemented.

So, (I guess) I want a post from the Administrators of the Forum. Whatever they decide may be the end of this suggestion.




Questions:

  • What's the chance that this idea has not been thought of? What if this is actually a breakthrough?
  • So what are your thoughts?
  • If this has been thought of, why didn't it succeed?


^After I get some explanation(s), I'll decide if I still want to debate on whether this is really a good idea. So, what does the Administrators have to say, "Disagree, or Agree?"




Gianna Glow -> RE: Preventing Spam?!? (11/2/2009 11:59:59)

Something else I'd like to add in. There are other areas (such as Legends and Lore) that allow (and encourage) double or more posting. So those kind of notices just wouldnt work in those areas.



Zyrain -> RE: Preventing Spam?!? (11/2/2009 12:04:11)

quote:

What's the chance that this idea has not been thought of? What if this is actually a breakthrough?

Ideas around this have been thought of. Hence the FAQ Quote which sums all Moderating/Spam Suggestions up.

quote:

So what are your thoughts?

1) I don't know if it;s even possible to add this function...
2) I really don't think it's needed. AKs/Mods are there to Moderate.

quote:

If this has been thought of, why didn't it succeed?

Anwered in the FAQ Quote. :)


FAQ Quote:
quote:

"We should have a report button/ mod alert system! Why don't we?"

This has been brought up a number of times and each time it needs to be explained that, while a system like this might work on other boards, it won't on this one. There are a couple of main reasons for this: 1) It would be too easily abused. We would need moderators dedicated to weeding out the false reports from the legitimate ones and we need all the mods we have actively working on the game and the boards. 2) It's easier to just PM an active mod/AK. You can add the mods/AKs to your address book by clicking the button under their profile. Then, when you look in your inbox, you'll see who is currently online. That's the best way we've found to handle people needing to report troublesome threads/users.

~Zyrain



tflo -> RE: Preventing Spam?!? (11/2/2009 13:56:56)

To me, it seems as though this would add more work than is necessary. Of course ArchKnights will miss a spammy post here & there, but 9 times out of 10, it will be caught by one of the ArchKnights who work in the forum.

quote:

"We should have a report button/ mod alert system! Why don't we?"

This has been brought up a number of times and each time it needs to be explained that, while a system like this might work on other boards, it won't on this one. There are a couple of main reasons for this: 1) It would be too easily abused. We would need moderators dedicated to weeding out the false reports from the legitimate ones and we need all the mods we have actively working on the game and the boards. 2) It's easier to just PM an active mod/AK. You can add the mods/AKs to your address book by clicking the button under their profile. Then, when you look in your inbox, you'll see who is currently online. That's the best way we've found to handle people needing to report troublesome threads/users.


Personally, I find that it actually would be much easier if someone were to just PM an active moderator to deal with a bad post. If something is bad enough, PMing an online ArchKnight/Moderator should always be what you do. First PM an ArchKnight who works in the forum. If the ArchKnight can't get the job done, PM the Boards head Moderator.

Unless a Moderator has anything to add, I am going to lock this thread. Thanks for the suggestion, Ilø€IMPERIAL€ølI, but I don't think the forums need a "Moderator Alert" button.

-tflo-



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