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foohy890 -> Delete Anything in Your Thread (1/23/2010 11:23:16)

I know you guys are probably gonna prove this is a bad idea, but I think that you should be able to delete any post in the thread you started. (Except for that thread that I don't remember but I think it has to do with RPG's.) I think this is fair because since you made the post, you should be able to get rid of anything that you don't think belongs there. (Such as posts that you recieve after you get a lock.



Vivi -> RE: Delete Anything in Your Thread (1/23/2010 11:39:28)

This is a power that we can't entrust to normal members even in a thread they created because the potential for abuse is far too great (people deleting posts because they don't like the user or just because they can for example). If there is a troublesome post in a thread that needs attention you can PM an Archknight of that board or any moderator about it and they will handle it.



Zyrain -> RE: Delete Anything in Your Thread (1/23/2010 11:42:55)

Edit: Late Post. :P

I know this FAQ is far-ranged, but it helps what I'm gouing to say.

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"Why don't you appoint some temporary Moderators or ArchKnights in <insert spammy board>?"

If we trust someone enough to make them a temporary ArchKnight, or promote an ArchKnight to a temporary Moderator, then we trust them enough to promote them full-time. There is no "half" or "temporary." If you feel a specific board is having problems, please let that board's Head Moderator know.

Taken From =AE= Frequently Asked Questions.

This Feature would just be highly abused -- Worse (Not "more") than any other (Ex-)Feature.
ArchKnights/Moderators are there for a reason; to Moderate! :)
You can simply PM any Staff Member that can Moderate the Board/Thread (See the AE Staff & Staff Assistants List.) and explain what's wrong and ask them tro deal with the issue.

~Zyrain



foohy890 -> RE: Delete Anything in Your Thread (1/23/2010 17:35:24)

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people deleting posts because they don't like the user

This is why we have the "block" thingy.
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or just because they can

Well, that's pointless, but who would really want to do that? (Rhetorical...)

I'm really sorry if it's bad to talk back to an AK like this, but I really want to express my opinion.



Chii -> RE: Delete Anything in Your Thread (1/23/2010 17:37:22)

AQ Suggestions once had this on the old forums and it was abused more often than expected. People would even delete moderator posts and pretend they never happened.



Vivi -> RE: Delete Anything in Your Thread (1/23/2010 18:20:23)

There are a lot of members on this forum, and many of them lack the level of maturity necessary to handle the responsibilities that come with any sort of moderating powers. If we were to give normal members the ability to delete other users' posts on any level, there would be users who would use that power irresponsibly just because they have it.

On another note, even for the people who don't abuse it, what if they attempt to take control of a thread that's going off-topic or where flaming is breaking out and end up making the situation worse because they don't know what they're doing? What if they delete a post that a moderator would end up warning or banning a user for and the forum staff never see it? There are a lot of ways for this power to create problems even without considering the potential for abuse.

Simply put, forum moderation should be left to forum staff and staff assistants. This is why these positions exist.



Carly9467 -> RE: Delete Anything in Your Thread (1/23/2010 18:40:54)

i know what your trying to do, but i don't agree with you.
if you could delete any post you would like, well, if you made a thread and didn't want it anymore
when people already posted in it, if you delete the starting post, it would delete the whole thread.
so, i disagree with you, sorry.



Everest -> RE: Delete Anything in Your Thread (1/23/2010 18:53:44)

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(Such as posts that you recieve after you get a lock.


I'm a bit confused by this portion of your post. Only staff members and assistants of that section can post after a topic is locked, and generally they have very good reasons for doing so. Erasing those messages, rather than reading them, is not something to be encouraged.



zeke50100 -> RE: Delete Anything in Your Thread (1/23/2010 19:02:49)

This subject probably has the same justifications as Temporary AKs does:

If someone deserves it, they'll become an AK/mod. There's no "half-way," since only the ones who are worthy of being an AK/mod would make use of this feature in the first place.

And having a feature like this would basically be a slap in the face to the AKs and mods, who try doing their job, as they're probably annoyed at the sight of mini-modding.

~Zeke~



Naruto006 -> RE: Delete Anything in Your Thread (1/24/2010 8:54:23)

i have to disagree then. If you're too childish or immature to hold the responsibilities for the position of AK/mod then there's no point in making you a temp. what i want to say is technically what zeke said. The only ones who COULD use this are the ones who WOULD use it for the better. mini-modding would still be moderating so they're better of being full mods.

Off-topic comment removed. ~Everest



He Who Lurks -> RE: Delete Anything in Your Thread (1/24/2010 16:27:35)

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People would even delete moderator posts and pretend they never happened.
Simple, just make it so regular members can't delete higher ranking officers.
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i have to disagree then. If you're too childish or immature to hold the responsibilities for the position of AK/mod then there's no point in making you a temp.
Why don't AK's give the forum members they trust temporary powers of their thread? They know us better than anyone else on the forums (well most of us hehehe). You have to remember that most if not all AK's were once forum members so they would know who wouldn't abuse it and who will.



Nightly -> RE: Delete Anything in Your Thread (1/24/2010 16:42:14)

Again, there is no mid-way point. The rules clearly state that if the Aks and Mods think that someone can become an Ak for a temporary time, then they will become a full Ak there is no temporary anything.



Everest -> RE: Delete Anything in Your Thread (1/24/2010 16:42:33)

I will say again that any member deemed ready for the responsibility to know exactly what posts break what rules would be an ArchKnight anyway. It can be used for abuse, and there's really no good reason for a member to have the ability to do so in the first place. An ArchKnight of the section or any Moderator will almost always be online to which a member can report rule-breaking behavior.



He Who Lurks -> RE: Delete Anything in Your Thread (1/24/2010 17:11:55)

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Again, there is no mid-way point. The rules clearly state that if the Aks and Mods think that someone can become an Ak for a temporary time, then they will become a full Ak there is no temporary anything.
But that's where your wrong Nightly, I never said for someone to become a temp Mod/AK I simply said as quoted,
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Why don't AK's give the forum members they trust temporary powers of their thread?
Notice how I bolded "their thread. " I don't want to argue with a AK seeing as how this is a new year fresh start (You won't give me negative points for this right?) but I feel I must
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An ArchKnight of the section or any Moderator will almost always be online to which a member can report rule-breaking behavior.
The keyword here is "almost". I recall seeing "thread" in suggestions that didn't get deleted for about 2 hours. I PM'd Kalen and she basically said she couldn't do anything to delete it. While it's a different situation here what I'm saying is that AK's aren't always around.



Vivi -> RE: Delete Anything in Your Thread (1/24/2010 17:21:03)

You're missing the point InfamousNightshade. Anybody who we believe is responsible enough to have temporary moderating power over anything is going to be responsible enough to be made an AK.



He Who Lurks -> RE: Delete Anything in Your Thread (1/24/2010 17:35:28)

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Anybody who we believe is responsible enough to have temporary moderating power over anythingis going to be responsible enough to be made an AK.
I think its more of a matter of needing a AK than someone actually being responsible enough to become one.



moneybags -> RE: Delete Anything in Your Thread (1/24/2010 17:42:27)

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1) "Why don't you appoint some temporary Moderators or ArchKnights in <insert spammy board>?"
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If we trust someone enough to make them a temporary ArchKnight, or promote an ArchKnight to a temporary Moderator, then we trust them enough to promote them full-time. There is no "half" or "temporary." If you feel a specific board is having problems, please let that board's Head Moderator know.


Then that heads back to the quote above. Its impossible to have at least one ArchKnight moderate any board. AK's are human too, and we can't be sitting in front of a computer all day deleting posts. If an AK is needed in a certain spammy board, the head Mod will promote someone who they feel is ready. Having a "delete any posts in your thread" button won't solve the issue. As the others have said, its far too abusable. There are a lot of young forumites-- and most of them aren't mature enough to handle these Moderator buttons.



Everest -> RE: Delete Anything in Your Thread (1/24/2010 17:49:41)

This thread has devolved into argument and nothing else, so I'll be locking it now.

In the future, it would be best if members brought up points in favor of the actual concern rather than nitpicking over responses. I have laid out numerous issues with the suggestion, not the least of which is an inability (which I have not previously mentioned) of forum members to engage in further administrative action should it be required.

While you can argue all you like about how AKs are chosen, the fact remains that they are chosen for their responsibility, meaning that these are the very members that would be given the responsibility of deleting posts in a thread. Thread starters do not own a thread; activity in said thread is not subject to the thread starter's desires, which is what would occur if thread starters were given the opportunity to delete whatever post they wish. "Trusted" members being able to do so raises far too many problems as well, among them the added responsibility of deciding who is "trusted" and who is not. Further, it creates a system of hierarchy on these forums that is not desirable; all forum members are equal. Finally, this is exactly the system of "trial AKship" in a different coat, which has been mentioned above as something that will never happen.

If you see a post which you believe should be deleted, PM a member of the forum staff. You can check to see which members are online, a handy tool if you see a post that breaks rules.



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