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Xplayer -> RE: Book of Darkness Discussion thread (11/6/2010 0:35:35)

Nice! My story is up. It seems substandard in comparison to the other stories. I guess that's only natural considering that I spent significantly less time on it than other people spent on their projects.

Continuing my reading through the book.

Doll House by Red Blizzard: Dolls and horror was one thing I never quite understood, but the inclusion of mannequins made the premise much more exciting. I loved the format, the differing perspectives offered before the main story took place. Also, I liked the fact that the dolls weren't actually the catalysts for the disaster, but the means by which it was carried out (the desire for a doll to take revenge on a human is, once again, incomprehensible to me, making the whole concept less scary). While I understand the value in leaving the motives behind the incident ambiguous, in this case, I would have liked to have seen a little bit more in that department. Was it envy? Was it the belief that humans are worthless? Was it fear of what humans possessed? With the motive left open ended, the violence becomes mindless (not the mindless violence where the villain states that there IS no motive, which is both scary and a completely different issue), which isn't quite as appealing to me as one with a generally defined motive (no details necessary, but a small hint would be nice). Overall, I really enjoyed it. The story would make an interesting adaptation into a short film project (like a 10 minute YouTube deal).

Entry 58 By Cow Face: Not to put down the other entries, but this is certainly the darkest piece I have read so far in the book. Not only does it deal with dark elements, its form of storytelling is inherently dark. After reading the first two paragraphs, I was afraid that it would be very similar to the story I wrote, since both deal with elements of rejection from society. As I read on, however, the differences became apparent (I breathed a sigh of relief that my story wouldn't feel ripped off of Cow's) as this one was much more cerebral and analytical as well as cynical and condemning. It certainly made me reflect upon the notion that I was part of an assimilating collective that excludes those who are different, which means the story achieved its intent. As an aside, I don't hold this view of the world; I tend to focus on two or more conflicting forces within society. There cannot be an standard for assimilation if the collective cannot agree. Personal social commentary aside, I thoroughly enjoyed this read.

Roomies by monstermike9000: I'm glad to see that you took L&L's advice to heart and wrote a story for the Books Project. Your mechanics are quite good. I enjoyed your description of setting, and while your syntax was a bit awkward at times (especially with the use of the past perfect), the narrative flowed nicely. The problem with this story is...well, it's difficult to say without spoilers.
spoiler:

The ending was very, VERY anticlimactic. There was no confrontation, no danger, only a strange occurrence for which there are multiple explanations of varying degrees of scariness and practicality. The one I believe you were going for is the fact that the roommate was a ghost, but if that's the case, so what? She seemed to mean no harm, and her presence was of little to no consequence. Other interpretations include that Todd is mentally unstable, dreamt the whole thing, or the woman just randomly came in from the outside. In any case, none of the tension that was built (which primarily revolved around Annie not being there or the possibility of a burglar) is resolved by any of these realizations.

All in all, I like your style of writing, but the story itself could use some reworking.

Alone in the Dark By Torn: This is another piece I found difficult to evaluate. Largely I felt left in the dark (ha ha, bad pun). There were several characters I couldn't keep track of, I didn't realize that they were Dracomancers (or at least some of them were) until about halfway through. The whole laboratory experiments deal went completely over my head, and I had no idea what happened at the end. I felt like I needed to know more about the universe of the story in order to understand it, rather than attempt to piece together fragments of it and still feel like there are pieces missing. Sorry, but just didn't understand what was going on pretty much the entire time.

The Darkness Within by Alexmacf: Simplicity is sometimes the best policy, and Alex, you proved that with this story. Even with such basic and simple exposition of the situation, one cannot help but sympathize with Jonathon. The story's impact comes from the fact that it addresses something very few people acknowledge, yet in society, it is very real. The somewhat extreme ending is always one that could be criticized, but this time I believe it fits. One small (spoilerific) syntax issue.
spoiler:

All three children, Annie, Patrick, and Charline, were saved; however, Seeley drowned.

I think keeping with the pattern of first names (as everyone has the same last name), "Jonathon" should be used instead of "Seeley," but that's a nitpicky issue. Overall, the story was intriguing and thought provoking, a perfect fit for the book.

I'll read more later. Good job everyone!




MonsterMike9000 -> RE: Book of Darkness Discussion thread (11/6/2010 3:24:48)

thx for the feedback xplayer1. I didnt mean the ending to be like what you said. I actually intended it to be the opposite. I sorta wanted to make the story to be like, the more you thought about it, the scarier it got, long after you've finished reading the story. I guess it falls down to the tension not being built in the right place like you mentioned.

How do you think I could've made the story better? [8|] Any suggestions or places I need to improve in?

Also, does anyone have any "writing formula"? Ive always used the smiley face trick but I dont think that'll cut it for this kind of writing.




Torn -> RE: Book of Darkness Discussion thread (11/6/2010 11:58:57)

Hm, although I appreciate the review, I feel sorry that you felt that way with the story, and that it is my fault (duh). Have you read my stories in the other Books? If so, then I may need to reconsider the way I am telling the story.




Red Blizzard -> RE: Book of Darkness Discussion thread (11/6/2010 13:19:11)

Great review :) The lack of a motive was something that I had to cut out in order for the story to make the page limit requirement...though that really downed the story a bit. I need to catch up on some of the other stories...so many have been posted since last time I checked. Perfect >:)




Xplayer -> RE: Book of Darkness Discussion thread (11/6/2010 18:15:38)

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Hm, although I appreciate the review, I feel sorry that you felt that way with the story, and that it is my fault (duh). Have you read my stories in the other Books? If so, then I may need to reconsider the way I am telling the story.

I haven't read you other stories. Probably that would help. Maybe the fact that I was doing it at 1:00 in the morning due to my roommate also being up didn't help much either. I'll be sure to read some of your other writings. Despite being confusing, I must say it was very creative.

quote:

How do you think I could've made the story better? Any suggestions or places I need to improve in?

Also, does anyone have any "writing formula"? Ive always used the smiley face trick but I dont think that'll cut it for this kind of writing.

The story could have improved with a better ending, just something creatively shocking. It's often said that the most important parts of a work are the beginning (which grabs the audience's attention) and the end (which leaves a lasting impression). The beginning was great, but the end just needed to be changed. Otherwise I really enjoyed your story.

As for a writing formula, I don't have one that I try to follow, although my stories do tend to have a distinct style with similar themes and character types. However, most of my stories (and all stories in general) tend to follow the most general of formulas. I'd call myself a very traditional story writer, beginning with exposition, followed by rising action and incidents escalating conflict, and ending with a thrilling climax and resolution. This format is known as Freytag's Pyramid, and you might want to keep this in the back of your mind when writing any story (whether you want to follow it or deviate from it).

Will review more later.




Eukara Vox -> RE: Book of Darkness Discussion thread (11/7/2010 1:13:08)

A Dark beginning by Demolitiondragon
Attacks, caves, mysterious fighting...


Werewolves by Dragonnightwolf
Too many secrets in one small town.




alexmacf -> RE: Book of Darkness Discussion thread (11/7/2010 2:02:34)

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Also, does anyone have any "writing formula"? Ive always used the smiley face trick but I dont think that'll cut it for this kind of writing.
I usually start out with a beginning and an end, and write the middle to fit those. Sometimes I have to tweak the ending to better fit the characters, but in general this works well. I constantly reference these to make sure I'm guiding the story in the right direction.
When I want to tie it into a theme, I'll make note of said theme in both the beginning and end (See my entry in the Book of Wishes and Luck for my best story example, Book of the Tides for poetry) so that I remember to roll with it.
I don't know if that helps, but I hope you can take something from it. =)




Reaper Sigma -> RE: Book of Darkness Discussion thread (11/7/2010 15:18:40)

Just realized....I forgot to submit my other story...[>:]

Oh well. Might be good for another Book.




jerenda -> RE: Book of Darkness Discussion thread (11/7/2010 20:58:51)

For short stories, I focus very hard on the /scene/. One scene. Must be vivid, must make sense, must require no explanation than what's visible in the story. I have to work hard at it, because short stories are difficult for me. I'm always tempted to go into depth, add more, and so I have to stop myself.

In Shadows of the Heart, I had descrip, explanation, descrip, end it. As for storyline, it started with the ending, explained the events leading directly up to the ending, and then went back to the ending. There was no middle or beginning. XD




Xplayer -> RE: Book of Darkness Discussion thread (11/8/2010 21:26:46)

More mini-reviews/responses

Between the Shadows and the Soul by Alex Shiveran: Despite this work's brevity, it was most definitely the most complex read in the entire book so far. The diction was particularly challenging to decipher (I had to use a dictionary to look up the words "fetid," "braziers," and "paroxysms.") However, I enjoy this sort of challenge as I grow as both a reader and a writer as a result. The story itself was captivating, the description appealing to all senses truly capturing the reader in the experience. I particularly enjoyed the theme of the question of sanity near the end; I thought it fit perfectly. The twist at the end was not even necessary to induce the horror that the narrator experienced, but served as the icing on the cake in terms of suspense. Finally, this story was focused; it simply concentrated on a single event that sufficiently developed its narrator without extraneous explanation or verbose detail.

Sounds in the Dark by superjars: This piece is another great venture into the realm of insanity. After reading the previous story, I thought that such an effect could only be achieved through a first person subjective narrative. This piece uses third person objective to great effect, and while the diction isn't quite as difficult to decipher as the previous work, it is nonetheless well placed and creative. As I read through the story, I began to feel the characters' sense of confusion and helplessness, the measures of insanity that come with darkness and silence. The ending was a shock, although I can't help but think that I've heard it before. For some reason I'm experiencing major deja vu. Maybe I read something similar in Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark or something (not to say that this story is written at that level; it is much better, seriously). *ponders for a while* Anyway, I really enjoyed reading this piece as well.

Falls by superjars: The depiction of darkness used in this piece was what I was expecting in far more stories in this book. While I'm glad that darkness has been portrayed in other very creative ways, it pleases me to see darkness painted as a being of pure evil, ripping and destroying all that is good in a human being. As for the rest, I liked the description and pacing, and the choice to use a letter format at the end was very interesting.

Shadows of the Heart by jerenda: This piece is almost poetic in its form and description, certainly minimalistic. Yet, this piece also proves that less can be more in storytelling. Each phrase has a profound impact rather than the impact being spread over several means of description. Direct rather than indirect imagery was used often and to great effect. My favorite example of this is the sentence "He saw [the insects] overtake an antelope racing ahead, and when the flood had passed all that remained were gleaming, parched-white bones." It is said that a picture is worth a thousand words, but these 22 words were worth much more than any single picture. The style of it, however, almost begs for a first person narrative, and upon finishing it, I thought that the story as a whole would have benefited from that perspective. That's just my opinion though. You have to be faithful to your own strengths and styles, because they produce unique and interesting pieces.

Letters to No One by Clyde: Writing at a lower level is one of the most difficult things for an author to do perfectly. As an older writer with a much larger vocabulary of words along with the knowledge of proper grammar and syntax, trying to go against these rules is challenging. The hardest part of writing to a lower level is consistency, not slipping far below the target level and not reverting back to one's default writing style. This piece makes a good effort to accomplish this, but it certainly isn't perfect. While the narrator is supposed to be fourteen, sometimes he sounds like a 7 year old, and other times he sounds like an adult. I'm sure that his education has been screwed up due to his circumstances, yet, I can't overlook the lack of uniformity in his writing style. I won't pick it apart, since 1. I probably couldn't have done any better 2. As I said, it's one of the most difficult things in writing to do 3. I don't feel like putting in the effort. Story-wise, I would have liked a couple more clues as towards the situation of the protagonist. Is he American? Where is he fighting? Is this supposed to be in this universe or some alternate one? I suppose the message gets across without these details, but I still would have liked to have known more. I really enjoyed the piece; it was quite thought provoking. However, it seemed like it tried to do a little too much at once, and therefore the final product required some fine tuning.




jerenda -> RE: Book of Darkness Discussion thread (11/9/2010 20:05:25)

Aww, thanks! *hugs* After thinking it over and trying to visualize it in first-person, I have come to the conclusion that you're right, and I do not do first person as well as I do third-person, so I won't be rewriting it. =D But thanks for your comments! I really appreciate it.




demolitiondragon -> RE: Book of Darkness Discussion thread (11/10/2010 21:56:30)

XD That was brilliant, Pie!




Reaper Sigma -> RE: Book of Darkness Discussion thread (11/11/2010 16:02:14)

Can't wait for the next book. Almost a year....wow. I feel honored to have been a part of these Books. [:D]




MonsterMike9000 -> RE: Book of Darkness Discussion thread (11/12/2010 15:55:07)

'Wow Monstermike9000, I really liked your story!'

"Why thank you Monstermike9000, I too enjoy my own story."




Eukara Vox -> RE: Book of Darkness Discussion thread (11/16/2010 18:02:21)

Dark Signs by Superjars
The power of one particular emotion, and then the absence of it cuts deep.


Epilogue - Visiting Darkness by Eukara Vox
Vengeance, pain and anger lead you to very dark places, to hurt those you once loved.


I KNOW... IT'S FINALLY DONE!

My apologies for how long you waited, but RL, an immensely painful bout of writer's block and discouraging thoughts kept this too long. Super's poem was done a long long time ago, it as me that just couldn't get it done. But, I think the writer's block is done and the Prologue for the next book is done. I just need the results from the poll to put the finishing touches on my notes.

Thanks to everyone who participated. These are way too much fun.




Xplayer -> RE: Book of Darkness Discussion thread (11/19/2010 18:52:56)

More reviews!

Solitude by ~Micosil : Solitude is a very fitting title for this piece. The way I viewed it, the reader is the one who is alone. I wasn't introduced to the characters, and the purpose of his actions remained largely mysterious (although the fact that he was the protagonist was assumed). This resulted in a purely atmospheric piece centered around setting, memory, and imagery. It was very similar to a Fantasia animation, or a piece of surreal, yet storytelling art. The story exercised the reader's imagination, appealing to the senses in the most general of terms rather than long explanations of detail. I loved how as the darkness receded in the story, the "darkness" of ignorance for the reader was slowly lifted, and by the end it didn't take a dramatic epiphany for the reader to understand much more about the characters than he or she would have thought possible. Overall, I loved the style and form as it reminded me that even without highfalutin vocabulary and detailed description, the human imagination can picture incredible things.

Um...I guess that's it for now.




Micosil -> RE: Book of Darkness Discussion thread (11/24/2010 16:06:43)

Sorry for the late reply, I'm not much of a regular here ^^"

Wow... I'm pretty sure I'm undeserving of such a good review. I really don't know what to say about most of it, but I'm honored. Thanks a lot! :D

Oh, about the vocabulary, well, I bet it's because I'm a non-native writer, so I have to make do with simple words ^_^




Xplayer -> RE: Book of Darkness Discussion thread (11/25/2010 23:34:04)

@Micosil: You were quite deserving. It's very impressive that you're able to write such a quality piece while not being a native speaker.

One a couple more reviews:

Pomegranate Seeds by Wildroses: I absolutely loved this piece. It takes a relatively simple yet unique premise and fleshes it out into a very enjoyable story. While it may have been a very simple change to be made to the basic plot, the effects on the reader's perception of all the characters dramatically changes as a result. I particularly liked how Core and Hades were developed, and I love seeing the god of the underworld as more than a sadistic villain. Even for a third person omniscient piece, you use the power of perspective very well, creating a bias towards Core's point of view for the reader. The descriptions are relatively simplistic, but I think length may have been an issue with this piece. Also, descriptions aren't essential as most people are familiar with this traditional myth and already have images of the underworld and the gods. Overall, I'm almost jealous that such a unique and entertaining work could come from such a simple idea.

Dream Doll by Eukara Vox: This piece had the feel of a classic "around the campfire" horror while providing the graphic detail that most traditional storytellers lack. The reason I say this is that its form is very familiar, but I was pleasantly surprised to find out that the story wasn't the "attack of the killer dolls" that I was expecting. The first part provided necessary backstory and contrast, for jumping straight into the frightening portions makes them lose their appeal. By the time the story turned towards its dark side, it became very vivid, yet the description remained down to earth, no complex metaphors nor abstruse language. About halfway through the story, I already knew how it would end, but the true appeal of this piece isn't the shocking ending, but the intense rising action.

Darkness is (not) Your Friend by Xplayer1: It's odd to comment on my own work, but in the context of the rest of the book, I'll do it anyway. I'm quite disappointed in myself. Considering that I wrote quite a memorable piece for the Book of Tides, this piece by comparison is quite cliche and unmemorable. It's a tale that's been told a million times before with characters one recognizes from other stories and the most generic setting possible. There wasn't much imagination involved in this piece, unlike many of the other works in this book. I think it lacked purpose, a reason for a reader to read it. Now that I've spent much time reading other works in this book, I'll be sure to be improved for the next one.




Reaper Sigma -> RE: Book of Darkness Discussion thread (11/26/2010 14:06:00)

Getting started on my submission for the Book of Joy. I think I'll be using, for those who remember, the characters from my story for the Book of Wishes and Luck. I think that is allowed, right?




Torn -> RE: Book of Darkness Discussion thread (11/26/2010 20:39:14)

Yes, it is allowed. That's what I've been doing since the Book of Winter.




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