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evil2k8 -> Criticals (1/24/2011 12:24:25)

I know this isn't really a discussion and will probably be soon locked, but hear me out. Do you think Crits of EpicDuel are too frequent And/Or random? Well with my 5 Focus build I'm constantly getting critted.


What's your point of view?

Let's just use in one area instead A Comprehensive Balance Discussion to discuss for balancing. Thanks. :) ~AVA



Laos -> RE: Criticals (1/24/2011 12:46:12)

I totally agree with you. Crits happen far to often and when they occur too frequently they can mess up a fair game completely.



Arcanis -> RE: Criticals (1/24/2011 12:46:21)

Funny,i didn't know focus 5 reduces crit ratio [;)]
As far as random goes,same applies with deflections and blocks,as those are not precise calculations either but all are based on %.
So ya,basically most(all?) based on Lady Luck,and if that babe hates you,you are screwed.



Light Stridr -> RE: Criticals (1/24/2011 14:02:43)

@ Rakdos: So this "babe" has sworn to make my ED life a misery then?

But in the higher levels a crit could be detrimental in a make or break scenario, whilst at lower levels it didn't matter as much. The RNG has been running wild recently and the admins need to tie it down.



Absolute Truth -> RE: Criticals (1/24/2011 15:07:56)

Epic Duel has made the game so that the stronger our build is, then the greater it increases the chances of the weaker person or teams luck to block, stun, crit, and deflect. When a person is about to die or especially when on their knees then it increases their luck even more. I have pointed out this problem to some others and some who are mature and observant enough have agreed with this. This is so wrong because it's like Epic Duel is punishing us for having a strong build. It is rediculous how much this happens now to me and it doesn't matter the weaker persons build. Low dex still will block or even when smoked and again chances of luck are indeed increased when they are attacked by a much stronger person. Same thing with crit even if they have low support especially when opponent is much stronger. All you other super tanked people out there like me please look closely when you battle and see the truth about what I'm saying. The better your build is the more easier you should see the truth about what I'm saying. You just need to be smart and observant.



IzzyluvsU -> RE: Criticals (1/24/2011 15:51:41)

No, you are just unprepared for the crits to come.



Evric -> RE: Criticals (1/24/2011 15:54:50)

One thing
1.fight fire with fire
e.g fight crits with crit support with support so simple



evil2k8 -> RE: Criticals (1/24/2011 17:21:04)

@IzzyluvsUrMom

You cannot be prepared for crits if they're random and, you cannot overcome the aftermath of a crit if you're critted on more than once.



King FrostLich -> RE: Criticals (1/25/2011 8:15:50)

Its quite strange even though stun rate has a bigger % to happen, crits,blocks, deflects happen way more often and the 3 of them have a 15% chance to happen depending on dex(for blocks), support(for crits and deflects) while stuns have a 30% to happen depending on your support to theirs.



saaaaaaaaaaaaa -> RE: Criticals (1/25/2011 8:25:05)

today i critted a punisher[aux]on a 28 tech mage with quite a lot of defence.
i had about 4 hp left, and i used overload [rage]],it stunned,and i critted my aux!![that was a 2v2 and he healed]

i agree, crits are WAy too random now

how lucky of me[:)][:)]



King FrostLich -> RE: Criticals (1/25/2011 8:28:00)

@above:

This reminded me when a noob critted 10 on me when I had 84 support. He even had like 20 support against my 84 support build which was according to my calculator and the mechanics of this game........ the noob has a 0.73% chance to crit me while I had a big 12.27% chance to do a crit on him yet he still did a crit.



JariTheMighty -> RE: Criticals (1/25/2011 9:03:36)

Frost: Well, if a chance is not 0%, it can happen. And btw min crit chance is 1%.

saaaaaaaaaaaaa: Crits (and everything else with a certain % chance to happen) will ALWAYS be random. I don't know what you mean by "crits are way too random now". [8D]
Only something with 100% or 0% chance to happen is NOT random.

Personally I would like to see a reduction in the critical hit defense ignore % rather than a recudtion in the critical - chance to happen %.

Actually I think RAGE should ignore more defenses than CRITICALS. I don't know how that would affect to game balance, but at least the battle outcome would be less luck based.



Thylek Shran -> RE: Criticals (1/25/2011 9:13:18)

Crits dont happen to often. The forumula is:
Support difference / 7 for each additional percent.

When someone is weak to crits because he
has lower support he has other benefits.



evil2k8 -> RE: Criticals (1/25/2011 11:32:16)

@JariTheMighty

Rage did have a bigger defence ignorance %, just that huge offensive builds made the use of shields pointless. Personally, the Crit% itself needs to be lowered since its too random and too common.



JariTheMighty -> RE: Criticals (1/25/2011 14:32:09)

@evil2k8: You are right. But I didn't say rage ignore should increase. It could stay the same(45% defenses ignored), while critical hit defense ignore could be brought down, maybe even under 45%.

P.S. I still don't understand what you guys mean by "too random".[>:] Getting crits is like throwing the dice. There is 1/6 chance of getting the number 6, but still you can throw it 20 times not getting the number 6 at all, while getting the number 1 over 10 times, in example.

I hope that makes any sense.



IsaiahtheMage -> RE: Criticals (1/25/2011 15:42:46)

@Saaaaaaaaa Exactly me and Absolute Truths point you had 4 HP on your knees about to die and you raged,stuned and crit IN A ROW the chances greatly increases when your opponet is about to die it happens way to much now.And I am some bit sick of it something needs to be done.One of my opponets had 0 dex and still blocked 3 times IN A ROW and one of my opponets had like 25 sup and I had 65 they crit twice IN A ROW while I do nietheir not once.

EDIT:@9001waystolaugh Well no point to play at all then crits will happen if you want more improve your support that simple.



9001WaysToLaugh -> RE: Criticals (1/25/2011 20:16:54)

Ive quit this game twice due to crits. Enough typed.



IzzyluvsU -> RE: Criticals (1/25/2011 20:44:04)

Not to be rude, but face the fact, and hear me out, EpicDuel will NEVER be balanced, Luck is the most important factor, and nothing can change that. This game tests peoples tolerance, and I as one, have failed that. In all ends meet, If you get aggrivated from criticals, take a long break, I quit for 8 months, And im back, and love the game even when i lose, i play for fun now. so as i said GET OVER IT.

~Izzy/frost/thunder



evil2k8 -> RE: Criticals (1/26/2011 8:07:20)

@Above:

You could be right about ED never becoming fully balanced (Stubborn players), but ED can be severely adjusted to balancing things out. Just a crit and rage at 45% ignorance each gives a 90% defence ignorance with makes shielding pointless. What's more is critting is a little common for the current HP and is too devastating so, Raging should have a very low crit % and/or the overall crit% be lowered.



RandomForumer -> RE: Criticals (1/26/2011 21:30:39)

Admins can't balance a thing, They dont even give a da** about this, They never read our opinions, They don't give a da*n they think the game is so balanced.
They want to sap money from us, 9.95 Dollars *1K Var Package* Can probably hardly get us a 10 enhanced wep,
Agility and 4 Turn Heal Cooldown was a balance wrecker.
Shadow Arts was once another balance wrecker.
And Mercenaries Artillery strike Is by far the strongest multi by all classes, I think they increased the ignore defense? Good job epicduel.



ED Prince of Shadows -> RE: Criticals (1/26/2011 21:43:29)

^ Check the new topic by NW before you speak boi



BlueKatz -> RE: Criticals (1/26/2011 22:07:35)

WOW, what was with all those horrible Crit! This better be a bug, are they trying to kill the last of defensive Mage?



Silver Sky Magician -> RE: Criticals (1/27/2011 2:57:20)

I think it's a bug, they usually give some hint in the design notes if they're going to implement such a major (or even relatively minor) thing. But meanwhile it's kind of irritating.



InTheSky -> RE: Criticals (1/27/2011 3:08:04)

It's a bug, I was critted 3 times in a row.
And I have decent support.



Crovile V2 -> RE: Criticals (1/27/2011 7:39:57)

Well ! I do remember a Duel Challange that happened a couple of months back ! I normally use a support of 60-64 so I don't get that much crits, maybe once in a blue moon ! Back then I used Just 52 support ! I remember a BH Guy (Sorry but I forgot his name) challenged me to a duel. I went up against him & lost that match coz he got 1 Crit at the exact moment to grab the victory. He had maybe just 4 more support than me. I got frustrated & challenged him for a duel. And guess what, Right from the start I hit him with 4 Consecutive Crits. I just had a hearty laugh at that & I still remember that match !

SO well, Crits are just funny. But we should always be prepared for 1 in every match. If we get hit more than that, then I guess it's time to take a nap, make some coffee when you wake up & start with NPCs. [:)] Am not a fan of criticals but it sure keeps a match pretty interesting. Coz I love the fact that it can turn the tide of a match at any instant. Unpredictibility is what makes a duel fun. [:)]



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