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Fay Beeee -> RE: =ED= The Controversy of Fame (4/5/2011 19:14:00)

I now do f4f

BUT mine is different. lol
I FAME FOR FREE

so how do you like that for a twist :)



Liz Vicious -> Just be honest...... (4/5/2011 20:17:25)

Fame, I'm sure Is an attempt by Epic Duel to re-create a sense of community within the game. I still say hello to people during combat and get no response so Ignorance still prevails It seems....Now we have 'fame for fame' Being the nice person I am I oblige but, have noticed that people haven't bothered to visit my character page In return. Sadly, I can't be bothered to 'fame' people now If this is a general attitude amongst some. Anyone else experienced this?

Thread "Just to be honest" has been merged with this thread since they essentially have the same topic. ~Illuminator



Light Stridr -> RE: =ED= The Controversy of Fame (4/5/2011 20:18:25)

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We pound our chests and demand varium buy back... that aren’t in line with the current model of any of the other AE games

All the other games have secondary currency sellback, why not ED?



Competition -> RE: Just be honest...... (4/5/2011 20:33:11)

I just say no thanks.



One Winged Angel1357 -> RE: =ED= The Controversy of Fame (4/5/2011 20:39:37)

How do you feel about fame? Im against fame but i dont let it bother me.
Do you want fame gone completely? nope
Do you feel that fame can stay if there are certain limitations imposed? yes
If so, what are limitations on fame you would place? Fame for fame/ Fame 4 fame or any variations should be added to the chat block



Charfade -> RE: =ED= The Controversy of Fame (4/5/2011 21:19:44)

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Vick Vega: Which has more to do with Ads (# of people online for longer durations = more ad $). Fame is for “them”, it has nothing to do with “us”.


I just want to point out one fatal flaw in your theory there Vick... in order to receive ad $ from an external source... we would actually have to have a non AE game showing ads on the character page. Last time I checked... there all AE games on the site. Thus giving no extra revenue for the game.




Fay Beeee -> RE: =ED= The Controversy of Fame (4/7/2011 20:10:08)

I have one more now. :)




f4f = fight for fame (they have to fight me - win or loose) and I will fame them.



Dont think this is double posting :)



Practel -> RE: =ED= The Controversy of Fame (4/7/2011 20:11:16)

I have one for f4f!

Fay4Fame!



Nexus... -> RE: =ED= The Controversy of Fame (4/7/2011 20:37:24)

Fame is just a great example of the deterioration of EpicDuel. It is crazy--absolutely unacceptable--that we have gone 2 years without a new battle mode in a PVP game. In my mind there should be a new one each week. Wait a second when was the last time we got a release that was game based not content and varium based? Oh yeah...fame.

ME: "OMG officer I just witnessed a murder"
COP: "Really...? Well I'm kind of hungry and I have a lot of other non-cop related duties to do, so Ill probably get to you murder case sometime in the next century. In the meantime, heres an icecream, and another and another and another and another...now go pay for your icecream like a good citizen..."
ME: "brainfreeze"


My experience with Epicduel.

SO-
How do you feel about fame? Fame is a waste of time, a diversion, and is ruining Epicduel beyond the point it was already ruined.
Do you want fame gone completely? Would be best this way but I'm guessing that won't happen.
Do you feel that fame can stay if there are certain limitations imposed? If worst comes to worst...fine.
If so, what are limitations on fame you would place? Chat block, say bye to leaderboards, bye to achievements...change the system altogether please...for the better please...don't make it worse please?


EpicE4



Ashari -> RE: =ED= The Controversy of Fame (4/7/2011 23:07:47)

@Fay Beeee: I agree that's a good way of doing it. Sitting at Oz 7 asking for fame just detracts from the game two-fold. You are creating a lot of spam and you aren't dueling.

I really do wish there was an in-game option at the end of a duel to fame your opponent. It would be a nice way to reward good fights.

@Liz Vicious: Sadly some people are always going to be selfish like that. But I think they'll realize soon that if everyone just asks for fame and no one is willing to take the 5 seconds to give it back, then the whole system will break down.



Serpeants -> RE: =ED= The Controversy of Fame (4/7/2011 23:13:38)

How do you feel about fame? Its very cool but everyone is spamming it.
Do you want fame gone completely? Nope.
Do you feel that fame can stay if there are certain limitations imposed? Yes, of course.
If so, what are limitations on fame you would place? 10,000. It is also the limited fame cap.



Calogero -> RE: =ED= The Controversy of Fame (4/8/2011 10:38:57)

fame 4 fame...

Most useless release ever...
Not only Epic Oz 7 but now also Twitter and Here is getting spammed ...

never thought begging was allowed, should I beg to someone to buy me var? ( seeing Begging is allowed )



Cinderella -> RE: =ED= The Controversy of Fame (4/8/2011 10:50:53)

andy, we're trying to figure out how to deal with the fame begging. It's not the same as begging for varium (not remotely), since it doesn't involve information other than what you've given just by creating an account. We have the F4F topic here to prevent widespread begging.



midnight assassin -> RE: =ED= The Controversy of Fame (4/8/2011 10:57:28)

F4f
fail for free



IsaiahtheMage -> RE: =ED= The Controversy of Fame (4/8/2011 11:01:07)

I LOVE FAME!! Why do you all hate it? Stop complaing like little winny cry babies fame is a great new feature to improve the game remember the new features and achievements they promised? Well guess what? THIS IS THEM! You all seem so blind to not realize this is the start of a brand new great epicduel. Fame is not useless its better for it to stay to make ED much more fun to give us more fun and Free to play things its a AMAZING FEATURE! Why do you all want it gone its here to help. And the new lvl cap will make this game even more fun and encourage more playing to become even stronger all of you plz open your eyes and see the truth this is the beginning of the next faze a new epicduel for the better future! [:)] [:D] Its best if fame stays it will make this game better and reduce the rude and cruelness in ED this is ED time to get its act together! [:)] [:D] [;)]



Fay Beeee -> RE: =ED= The Controversy of Fame (4/8/2011 11:03:32)

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How do you feel about fame? Unsure but I like the achievements
Do you want fame gone completely? No
Do you feel that fame can stay if there are certain limitations imposed? Yes
If so, what are limitations on fame you would place? I would like to see that you could not ask for fame at all, this way it would be given freely.



Calogero -> RE: =ED= The Controversy of Fame (4/8/2011 11:12:08)

@ Cinderella

in my point of view, begging is begging, and this Fame 4 Fame otherwise you are flamed like hell is Actualy starting to ' Annoy ' me

There isn't 1 fight that someone doesn't ask for Fame...
Last guy called me a noob because I didn't wanted to fame him... If this is the future of EpicDuel, Sorry but I don't see myself in it then.



Sparticus -> RE: =ED= The Controversy of Fame (4/8/2011 11:19:26)

The "Fame" feature is a disaster. I doubt it's original intent was to promote begging but that's what it seems to have caused.

Fame should neither be asked for or sought after. Fame should be earned. Allowing players to gain so called "Fame" though alternate means is saddening.

You should never be able to give yourself "Fame", anyone who posts that they are famous or includes their own names in a list of famous players is pathetic. In much the same way you should not be able to add to your "Fame" rating.

You should have to fight for fame. "Fame" should only be offered after a battle and should be optional. No one should be compelled to give "Fame" away.

Lastly, there should never be a thread promoting the trade of "Fame", this would undermine the worth and usefulness of this feature. Trading "Fame" for "Fame" is a sad business practiced by players who's only real claim to honest fame is their skill as a beggar.

If you have been around as long as some of us have you already know the players worthy of true fame. They need not be recognized in this manner, they are already great and need no assistance from the DEVs to prove it.



Larcell -> RE: =ED= The Controversy of Fame (4/8/2011 11:26:02)

Loading chat log... (4/7/2011)
---- is a name.

World 7, Oz:

"Fame for Fame?"
"----will you fame me?"
"I famed you! You haven't famed me!!" Sensors indicate rising [:@] at a new level of 10%
"---- doesn't fame back!!" Sensors indicate rising [:@] at a new level of 20%
"Fame 4 Fame? ^^"
"Fame me...PLZ"
"F4F?"
"Thank you. Famed!!!"

(me): "Everyone ready for the lvl 33 cap tomorrow?"
"Fame 4 fame? ^^"
"----will you fame me?"
"----I famed you."
"Fame me....PLZ"

(me): *Clicks on 2v2*
Starting battle: 1
Staring battle: 2,3,4
Starting battle...

*Players take out their weapons and pose*

"Hi all!"
"Hi"
"Hi"
(me): (no response).
"Fame for fame?"
"Ok"
"ok"
"Famed"
*Second Turn*
"Fame me! ----(my name)"
(me): (No response).

*Nearing or during the third turn*
"Famed."
"Famed."
"Famed."
"Thanks"
"Ty"

End of conversations. Exiting...

If I hear the phrase "F4F?" or "Fame for Fame?" one more time...



Cinderella -> RE: =ED= The Controversy of Fame (4/8/2011 11:39:13)

@Sparticus- the problem with restricting fame to battle is that it undermines the entire purpose of fame, which is to stretch the advertising budget. it's supposed to expose people to EpicDuel who wouldn't otherwise be exposed to the game. Maybe taking fame out of the in-game interactions would be better (and make my job easier, but I love anything that makes my job easier, lol)

@andy it annoys me too. I took my hands off the keyboard when someone started foaming at the mouth demanding fame. I threw the battle but it was so worth it to watch him yelling at a brick wall. I'm not encouraging this behavior in any way, shape, or form (it was a one-time deal for me), but this may be something that we have to slough through until the excitement dies down.



Larcell -> RE: =ED= The Controversy of Fame (4/8/2011 11:41:31)

^"Foaming at the mouth"

That's when I'd run...



king julian -> RE: =ED= The Controversy of Fame (4/8/2011 12:04:20)

add a defame button for those spamers that annoy me all the time. So if u just spam 4 fame ppl will de-fame u stoping u from spaming SOO MUCH!



Vick Vega -> RE: =ED= The Controversy of Fame (4/8/2011 14:10:03)

It has been brought to my attention that my criticism of fame has not been constructive. This was never my intent so I thought long and hard about what I could give as constructive feedback on the matter. So here it goes. I think fame can work. We just weren’t ready for it. It’s too soon, ahead of its time. So for now, I say we remove it. In ten, maybe twenty years from now we can try it again. I think we will have had time to really ponder its importance and relevance to a PVP game and have a better acceptance of its implementation regardless of its rampant unpopularity. I know that the terminally optimistic people and the four fourteen year olds who really like it will be disappointed but we aren’t saying remove it forever, just for a couple of decades.



B9000 -> RE: =ED= The Controversy of Fame (4/8/2011 14:30:04)

@Sparticus, I pretty much agree with everything you wrote in post #93.

***Disclaimer:
TBH, I did put myself on the fame exchange list (though I don't ask directly f4f), but I only did it for the achievement, even-though it leaves a sour taste in my mouth. I really wish they would just remove the achievements so they wouldn't be there to nag/temp those who really don't want to get involved in this whole mess. Unfortunately my resolve was weakened as I watched the players I respected give in one at a time. To reduce my cognitive dissonance, I've had to tell myself that I'm a click-exchanger aiming for the click-collecting achievement. I have to say I admire you for not falling into this quagmire in the first place.***

Clearly, the fame feature has (almost) nothing to do with actual fame. Eg, perhaps only 3 of the people on the all-time fame list are actually worthy of all-time fame. By rewarding those who seek out fame the most, rather than acknowledging the accomplishments of players who have worked hard turns the whole idea of fame upon its head. I bet if someone was determined enough they could create a new account with 0 battles played and get on the all-time fame list, which would pretty much expose how little it really has to do with fame.

As Cinderella mentioned, the purpose is to promote the game. Therefore, IMO, it would have been much wiser for the devs to actually call it what it is. It should be an ED Promoter/Advocate rating. Furthermore, to prevent begging/trading, perhaps the devs should block the clicks from all IP addresses that have logged into the game. This makes sense as there is little point in advertising the game to people who already play. On the flip side, being that the feature was created to be used by those who don't play, it is downright silly to say those who don't even play yet could possibly know or vote for the people who are famous.

Now I will fame you, since you most certainly deserve it :P



Vick Vega -> RE: =ED= The Controversy of Fame (4/8/2011 14:38:18)

I added myself to teh fame post. For the most part its the only way I fame others is from that post. I did it because it was tied to achievments which in my oipinion was the worst part and the biggest slap in the face to players. If you want stars you better be a noob at OZ 7 like everyone else.



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