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Jacktaz -> What do you think is the most OP and UP class? (4/15/2011 14:32:13)

Ok hey guys just to start off.
NO FLAMING.
ok imo the most OP class is the merc.
my reason why is because mercs have 2 very powerful builds.
1.the 2 shot str build.
2.the support build with tons of healing involved.
imo the tech mage is the most UP class mainly cause it hasnt got many powerful attacks but is more of the defensive side.
Please tell me your oppinions.
Also im a bounty i think we are not so much over powered but are quite strong.
thanks.



IsaiahtheMage -> RE: What do you think is the most OP and UP class? (4/15/2011 14:36:19)

Mercs are for a fact Oped STR Mercs can kill in 2 turns. BH are balanced they can do many different builds and be Oped balanced or Uped. Mages they are way Uped they can only be decent they cant reach Oped anymore there Uped.



Cookielord12 -> RE: What do you think is the most OP and UP class? (4/15/2011 14:42:28)

mercs and bounties are OP

mercs have 3 powerful builds
the str build as jacktaz stated
the sup build that jacktaz stated
the tank build along with robot is probably the hardest

bounties are completely dominant in 1v1. if you look at leaderboard all time 1v1. all bounty. todays leaderboard 2 bounty and 1 merc. so 5/6 1v1 are bounties.
EMP destroys bounty and merc
a classic smoke, massacre build is immense

that leaves the UP mages. only 1 type of build. the malf reroute deadly aim build or sup which is basically the same. caster mages are mostly fail.
no option of build
1 physical staff which is varium
MP wasting spells

they add up to the UP class


but everyone knows the OP and UP classes so this thread is basically pointless



Soliqe -> RE: What do you think is the most OP and UP class? (4/15/2011 14:42:46)

@Isaiah

I could slap you for saying that. Honestly, I could. BH and STR are both OP'd. Mages are only considered UP because not many players use the class correctly.

This is me denoting your opinion, your argument is invalid.



PumKing -> RE: What do you think is the most OP and UP class? (4/15/2011 14:53:12)

Really Jacktaz, really, Merc are oped for strength build, how many times will I have to say this before you people let it sink in. BOUNTY HUNTERS ARE THE TOP BRASS IN 1V1, no strength merc EVER stands a chance, because of smoke, take away a strength mercs dex and he's useless, bh's simply block every attck, and if ur lucky enough to have an assault bot, you7 just wasted another turn, and bh is another turn closer to cutting you like warm butter with their ulti ability. Strength mercs are constantly beaten in 2 turns by those even weaker than them, I don't know who your playing against, but whe I played as a str merc, and had max lvl maul, I only stuned maybe 30 percent of the time, and then leading up after matches with stun I could only kill noobs after that, most decent players lived through my massacre and then precedded to pummel me cuz i had run out of mp, and even i i did, my heal only did like 17 health back, and as of now, the top build in 1v1 is 5 focus bh, bot and smoke, deadly combo, if ur weak against tech, hit with phys attacks until rage, then gamma vomit, or use smoke and now both res and def are low, all the while gaining back health, from attacking, thanks to blood lust, these people are the rulers of 1v1, please, please,n please quit saying mercs are the strongest, they no longer are, they have been balanced due to this update, we are weaker, and thus smoke and malf are much stronger against us, quit falling back on "merc are oped' bs, get your act together, and build a build that beats mercs, not hard to do anymore, i might add



Gree -> RE: What do you think is the most OP and UP class? (4/15/2011 14:54:27)

"I could slap you for saying that. Honestly, I could. BH and STR are both OP'd. Mages are only considered UP because not many players use the class correctly. "
This is me denoting your opinion, your argument is invalid.



Ok then Slappy Mcslapslap, please tell us the proper way to play a mage so we can all be enlightened and show everyone that mages are in fact the one and only overpowered class.



Jacktaz -> RE: What do you think is the most OP and UP class? (4/15/2011 15:10:02)

@PumKing please calm down i want to keep this thread calm.
your over reacting a bit.



IsaiahtheMage -> RE: What do you think is the most OP and UP class? (4/15/2011 15:14:06)

@Solige No it is valid. Bh arent Oped there balanced you obviously know nothing your opinion is invalid what I said is heavily implied as a fact your using personal opinion. You provide no evidense all you do is flame me so please eitheir say something constructive or dont speak at all. Thank You and please explain how Mages are Uped only because of people not knowing how to use them are telling me the best players like Angels dont know how to use mage class? [:)]



TurkishIncubus -> RE: What do you think is the most OP and UP class? (4/15/2011 15:17:18)

Classes is not oped Builds are ,

Tech Abuse Mercs is oped (8 Field Medic - Max Bunker - 5 Focus and +100 Tech )

Support Abuse Mercs is oped (1 lwl field Medic +60 HP -3 times 6 lwl Artilary (198 dmg) - 2 strong Aux dmg (100 dmg) and 35 def/res )

5 Focus Hunter is Oped (5 Focus and + 90 Dex - 10 lwl bloodlust - 10 lwl Shadow arts) Its slow but has +95 % its only losing to Luck Factor


STR BH + STR Merc Is Not OPED

For Str Hunter :

Only Frostbite and Frostbolt User STR Hunters is strong a little but its not because of build its because of the Strong weps.If admins nerf Str BH thats will be ridiculus because they did the Weps , They will nerf for What??? giving 3200 varium for 2 weps? . If you cant beat the Non Frost Hunters thats your problem I can beat all str Hunters with Mage and Merc

For Str Merc :

After the update all str Mercs lose speed and they still got too low ratio. If you see most Mercs changed their builds to Tank or Support or Changed class and STR mercs always block .




Arcanis -> RE: What do you think is the most OP and UP class? (4/15/2011 15:17:59)

Angels is a support merc. She has 123 support.



Xitram -> RE: What do you think is the most OP and UP class? (4/15/2011 15:19:06)

Believe it or not. With the right build and the correct usage, mages can be pretty strong.



xXx83xXx -> RE: What do you think is the most OP and UP class? (4/15/2011 15:25:10)

Charfade's Staff + (physical gun, possibly Imperial ACP or Skullfire Blaster) + Energy Eggzooka + Founder's Armor =

Have fun.



PumKing -> RE: What do you think is the most OP and UP class? (4/15/2011 15:26:17)

Grats turkish, on once again being another person who is single mindedly picking on the mercs, so in order to show better/actuall balance in this disscussion here are, what you people, would consider oped builds for bh's

5-focus smoke build) smokes then uses bot to do massive damage, then bust out massacre turn 3

str bh) smokes, then swings for massive hits which are near impossible to block due to bother bh's high dex and ur lowed one

5-focus poison build) instead of smoke, ur max poisoned (and because of agility everyone but a bh will alway have a builf with less than 100 health,), bot swings for massive



Jacktaz -> RE: What do you think is the most OP and UP class? (4/15/2011 15:47:43)

He wasnt completely picking on mercs he said bh's are overpowered to so dont spark off like that.



PumKing -> RE: What do you think is the most OP and UP class? (4/15/2011 15:51:30)

my apologies, in my haste I overlooked that last part, but my point still stands, especially when I'm talking about you Jacktaz, try to get out of 2v2 and you'll see that bh's over oped for 1v1, you don't even have to go THAT far, just look at the leader boards for 1v1, quick starring at 2v2, ur litterally only looking at half the game



Jacktaz -> RE: What do you think is the most OP and UP class? (4/15/2011 15:56:43)

PumKing you have explained your point well and i understand where you are coming from.:)
you have a good point that str mercs arent as powerful as they use to be and bountys got buffed because of the +5 focus robot damage.
PumKing tell me a solution to get everyone on the same line of balance all equal tech mage bounty hunter and mercenary?



PumKing -> RE: What do you think is the most OP and UP class? (4/15/2011 16:10:11)

Alright, ur right, I'm gettin' to heated over this, but ur right, I'm hatin' as much, if not more that anyone here.

So, bh's, since they have blood lust, and while they don't necesarily need to, I suggest that agility take a personally heavy toll on them, 175 hp extra agility toll is too high, I've never seen a bh with 175 health since november

merc, in my opinion, are no longer oped, quite frankly, and I hate to say this, but, 5 focus builds are quite effective against support mercs, these are the hardest fights i have too endure, but mostly because of bh emp strike, but for normal non vars who have no robots, instead of 5 focus, go 40, 50, 50, 40 and you should do pretty good, everyone else, pretty much same, you just get malf or smoke to help you out

mages, are rather constrained ar a class, huge mp requirement basically demand that points have to be allocated to reroute, I say decrease cost of all mp abilities by 15 to 25 percent, let the devs handle that one, and also take away all the insane requirements for all their abilities, assim should not have a wep requirement, neither should the multi or overload, plasm cood get touchy so leavin it alone

and lastly, the bh's emp grenade, this is the only mp stealing attck that is completely unblockable, and steals massive emp for a very small cost, now I don't suggest that it be made completely blockable, that would be far too extreme, I suggest that it player would be given a chance to deflect it to lessen it's effect, I would certainly expec mages to back behinf this, since at max assim only takes 10 mp, is blockable, and has no way to boost it's mp stealing effects, and mercs would love it from the fact that they are the hardest hit from them, and it would benefit bh's when fighting amoungst them selves because, well, a deflect means less damage, so more chance to be able to smoke or still have enough for their amwsome ulti XD

better now?



goldslayer1 -> RE: What do you think is the most OP and UP class? (4/15/2011 16:47:30)

@isaiah
u act as if BH cant 2 turn people.
seriously before u say str merc are OP, become a str merc urself and then see how frustrating it is to be one.



Soliqe -> RE: What do you think is the most OP and UP class? (4/15/2011 17:02:44)

@Gree

I didn't say mages were OverPowered, (Where the crap did you pull that out from? Nevermind, I won't ask) I said that mages are one of the most balanced classes in the game. Bounty hunters are OP'd because they still stat abuse. There is a build that can guarantee a BH a 98% win percentage. Go and speak to Ashari if you don't believe me.

@Isaiah

What is up with people adding on something I never said? I said "VERY FEW" players know how to use the class, and Angels Holocaust is a terrible example because she only goes to a class which has the best build. Mages had the heal loop, and she abused the living daylights out of it.

Also, "few" in EpicDuel terms means 50, not 3...

ED GD is nothing but a mob mentality. No wonder why nothing ever gets resolved here. Too many egos flourishing at once. It's like a cest pool of testosterone flying around.



goldslayer1 -> RE: What do you think is the most OP and UP class? (4/15/2011 17:05:34)

quote:

Bounty hunters are OP'd because they still stat abuse. There is a build that can guarantee a BH a 98% win percentage. Go and speak to Ashari if you don't believe me.

and then people say str merc is more Op than BH.



PumKing -> RE: What do you think is the most OP and UP class? (4/15/2011 17:10:57)

ik, i can't tell you how many people I've tried de-bunking this too, this thread is one, but i guess just too many poeple play 2v2, or just don't care, or fight a support merc in 1v1 then stay away forever assuming that it's all support mercs in there



TurkishIncubus -> RE: What do you think is the most OP and UP class? (4/15/2011 17:20:33)

@goldslayer1

Without Speed i dont care the % , if it has %100 rate but 10 wins per Hour than its not Oped. Can you Tell me the Speed of the Build? How many wins Per Hour ?



Soliqe -> RE: What do you think is the most OP and UP class? (4/15/2011 17:22:38)

@Turkish

If you're referencing the bounty build, it takes 3-5 turns. Wins per hour? 40-50 if committed



TurkishIncubus -> RE: What do you think is the most OP and UP class? (4/15/2011 17:24:54)

^ If its 40-50 wins with %98 than its Oped , i cant say anything but i still dont belive the fastest STR Hunters is Frost Hunters 35-40 wins per hour with %92 at Max and also there is the Other str hunters with 30-35 wins per hour but they have %81-85 rate



xxmirxx -> RE: What do you think is the most OP and UP class? (4/15/2011 17:25:21)

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