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Defiant -> Varium should be a BONUS! (4/24/2011 19:47:40)

I've felt the same about every AE game, and many other games over my 'gaming career'. ED is advertised as a free PvP based MMORPG, and of course you have the chance to buy varium. We all know varium is incredibly important in this game, it gives a massive advantage. A level 33 Tech mage with varium equipment vs a level 33 tech mage without varium equipment, well, we know who would win (don't come at me with "BUT WHAT IF HE CRITTED!?").

With varium being so important you have to buy it to stay competitive (that's an assumption based on some threads I've seen recently), let's compare it to, say, AQ. Z-tokens, are they needed? No, many people do absolutely fine without them (maybe it's because it's not a PvP based game). But, say, 2 max levels with the same build take on a tough boss monster. One guy has z-token stuff the other doesnt, but they both use the same strategy. I know you have to take in the special effects of the gear and stuff, but generally the guy without Z-Tokens will do just as good as the guy WITH z-tokens.

There isn't another AE PvP based game I can compare ED to, so we'll go with MQ next. Nova Gems are the buyable currency in that game, but will some guy with a NG Mech out-do someone with a normal mech when fighting a boss? Most likely not. I know these comparisons are weak, but they bring me my ultimate point.

If you want to buy something (varium, z-tokens) to support the game, then fine. But they should be BONUSES, not something you are nearly forced to buy to stay competitive. By bonuses, I mean varium armor with the same stats as a non-varium armor, but with a special effect or unlocked a few levels earlier; something like that anyway! I hope this made sense, it's quite late and I want to go bed, but I couldn't get this out of my head!



Wraith -> RE: Varium should be a BONUS! (4/24/2011 19:51:52)

There is a very simple reason.

This game is a PvP.

Other games, Ex. DragonFable, is a little dude with a sword fighting against some Sneevils/Elementals. That requires no skill.

When you compete against others, you need more. Monsters in DF are AI that strike repetitively. That was the exact reason I quit DF. I wanted a challenge, ED provided that.



The UnleaShedWolfZ -> RE: Varium should be a BONUS! (4/24/2011 19:54:32)

Not Rly...
Its a game when the high person with da money $$$ wins ;) and if the devs will do variums like bonus... , there money will go about 70% Downnnnnnnnnn.

Wolf's Out.

quote:

I mean, eggzookas, the best auxs in game


That's why u need to buy variums for money to get the best items.
BTW , Ballyhoo is coming to ED , so u can earn variums from her , or gain from the offers : http://portal.battleon.com/store/offers.asp

Ballyhoo proof : http://forums2.battleon.com/f/tm.asp?m=18902804



Defiant -> RE: Varium should be a BONUS! (4/24/2011 19:55:48)

Yes, but PvP shouldn't be like this. Not taking into account a level 28 can be paired with a level 33, varium shouldn't be such a huge game changer. It should provide an edge in combat, nothing more. Not to mention many rares being varium only. I mean, eggzookas, the best auxs in game and they probably will be for a long time. You either buy them (2200 varium each, plus credits) or you spend $50/£30 on a 10k varium package to get them.



Elf Priest JZaanu -> RE: Varium should be a BONUS! (4/24/2011 20:03:14)

There are many angles to approach this, but remember this game is still in development. It was solely a pvp game with no story or quests. They are doing the best they can to make it multi-tiered. In regard to revenue, the game does not have enough varied features that are attractive to players then weapons. In my eyes, this game has potential to achieve many things, I will remain positive.



Gold -> RE: Varium should be a BONUS! (4/24/2011 20:04:11)

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Other games, Ex. DragonFable, is a little dude with a sword fighting against some Sneevils/Elementals. That requires no skill.


Fight against any boss with Hard Mode checked, and even extreme mode if they have that option.

That'll be a challenge, and will certain require skill.

And also take into AQ, where you can't survive at all without proper equipment. Fortunately, most of that equipment is for everyone not just Guardians.

Below: You know that pets are useless anyway.

And I'm level 70, so I can take nearly any challenge you throw at me. :/



Wraith -> RE: Varium should be a BONUS! (4/24/2011 20:07:49)

@Gold:

I have beaten extreme Akriloth on hard mode (with ice katana thing) SOLO. No pets. (I used chronomancer FYI)I came close to beating Melt Face Akriloth hard mode.. BEAT THAT.



veneeria -> RE: Varium should be a BONUS! (4/24/2011 20:10:09)

even though it was not the best example (maybe?), i really agree on varium having too much value, even more than other the AE games.
I'd rather have an expiring membership+varium than paying solo varium.



reix -> RE: Varium should be a BONUS! (4/24/2011 21:43:07)

Definitely agree with Atlian. If you go up against a varium guy there is no chance to win. Plus, the whole 28 being paired up with 33's. Totally agree.



Light Stridr -> RE: Varium should be a BONUS! (4/24/2011 21:45:10)

Mechquest technically has a PvP, although it is more fighting an AI that is wielding somebody else's weapons, but in MQ, Nova Gems simply provide added bonuses, nothing too major. The majority of bonuses arise from star captainship, and with that you get access to about 90% of the armoury, while NG is the remaining 10% and free players get access to 45% of the total weapons. The NG weapins are the best, but not by much. And before anybody says anything, there are genuine challenges suited for all players, not just SCs.
Compare that to ED where a non varium player get access to 10% of the weapons, with SEVERE handicaps. That's why Varium is a "must", because it is very hard to play this game without Varium, thus, varium is no longer an option, but more of a necessity.



Silent Scream -> RE: Varium should be a BONUS! (4/24/2011 21:54:02)

I do pretty much agree with most of what you said mate.. but the thing is a game like this needs money and the only way to get that money is either by Ads which would clutter everything up and yields very little or selling things in-game like varium..

If it used just Ads i doubt there would be any updates at all as any money from that would go to just keeping the servers running

if it didnt really matter if you bought varium or not, no one would buy it or very few would.. i never would have because you could of been just as good without it.. but this is not the case

At the end of the day, this is there job and that job is to sell varium and keep the game progressing.. otherwise they would have no money and what would be the point in keeping a game going when in the end it will cost you more money then your getting from it.. slightly harsh, but life isnt butterflies and chocolate =P

Edit: Also agree that the fighting system needs adjusting from 5 lvls either way.. a 28 against a 33 is pretty much Murder and it needs to be changed

All the best
- Silent



Light Stridr -> RE: Varium should be a BONUS! (4/24/2011 22:00:21)

@Silent
Most of the people are annoyed at the overpricing., you are not getting much from your money



button33 -> RE: Varium should be a BONUS! (4/24/2011 22:51:14)

Maybe part of the varium bonus is 25% more XP and 25% more credits per fight



Avantir -> RE: Varium should be a BONUS! (4/25/2011 0:29:08)

I'll have to disagree about the part about MQ. I have an NG mecha and a bunch of NSC ones. With the NG one, I have pretty much the most epic pwnage build (It needs variation for places like Yokai and can't be used on Necryptos though) for any free player.

In DF, i got upgraded but didn't buy DCs. I had trouble with some enemies. Now with DC armours, I leave everything in the dust.

I can go on about WF as well.

Special Currencies are very powerful in the other games. Same goes for ED.



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