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PD -> Bots need to be buffed (Not Now, Later) (5/7/2011 13:07:10)

Before you think that I am crazy... bear with me please.

Right now, it's possible to have a theoretical 6 Focus (50 Base Stats for every stat achievable by level 31, and 7 focus becomes possible by level 36, 8 focus becoming possible by level 41, ect ect ect), as Varauk on the old EDF once demonstrated, though the problem of low health appears. Let's say that the staff does indeed make a new focus level - When do you think 6 Focus would become viable? Do you think there will be more focus levels?

I suppose you might be thinking... OMG THIS GUY IS CRAZY, in a day and age where Robots are so powerful. What I am doing is reaching through time, looking to the far future of things. And it's not pretty. That is why I want you guys to hear me out first.

The reason I say this is because Robots might be great now with 5 focus, as Bot Effectiveness works in a parabola, but over time... As more stats are made, it'll be easier to stagnate Robot Damage at it's cap, which is +30 as of right now. After The Point of which 5 Focus becomes easy without any risk (5 Focus with a decent amount of HP). Also, since a New Focus level is only possible ever 5 levels, assuming you're not investing points into HP, Bots will lag behind. But it won't be noticeable level per level. You'll feel the effects every 5 levels. I know bots aren't supposed to be the best forever, but at this rate, it'll become the worst of offensive styles.

Assuming at a comparison of 200 Tech and 200 Strength at level 45:

200 Tech (+5 Focus damage included)= 51-55 Damage (+30) =
200 Strength (assuming that Level = Base Damage) = 38-46 Damage (+45)
200 Support (Aux Damage is a bit random unfortunately) = 38-46 + ??? (Probably would be some REALLY big number)

Even with the SAME cutoffs, assuming there would be no new Focus Intervals, no new Bots, no new mechanics, and no new progression tables are made, and Bot Damage remains on a constant +5 Tech/+1 Damage, Starting at level 45, Bot Damage starts to become overtaken by Primary, and Sidearm Damage. Auxillary will surpass it much sooner because Axillary Damages are extra-ordinarily high. As time persists, Bots become much more weaker and weaker as new weapons with higher primary damages are unleashed. Eventually... they become obsolete. I also need to reiterate that the Benefits of strength can be used every turn while Robots have a cooldown of 4. This causes an even bigger disparagement, which only exacerbates the problem at hand.

But then again, this won't be possible for a VERY long time, so I guess there's no need to worry, right?



Deimos... -> RE: Bots need to be buffed (5/7/2011 13:32:04)

Right, it will take years for there to be 5 more levels.

I think for now robots should be left alone until the future. :)



Gold -> RE: Bots need to be buffed (5/7/2011 13:38:30)

But first, make them unblockable.

Really ticks me off when BHs with SA block it almost every time (or so it seems).

Again, my reasoning is that there should no reason a robot couldn't punch through your weapon or melt it down in the case of Gamma Bot.



AQWPlayer -> RE: Bots need to be buffed (5/7/2011 13:41:19)

@ deimos
agree
robots should be left alone and other things should get a buff



Tiago X -> RE: Bots need to be buffed (5/7/2011 14:06:08)

Yes, a buff wold be great for robots, as almost everyone uses them, and any cleaver mercenary who doenst go high support.
@gold: It wold be great that at least one of the attacks wold be unblockable, as long as that attack wold have a (even) bigger cooldown.



Epic Pwnser -> RE: Bots need to be buffed (5/7/2011 14:16:07)

Bots don't need to be buffed.
Tiago, yes the mercs won't go for high support, they'll go for high tech and be insanely Oped.
No bots do not need to be unblockable. Then, tech mercs would KILL EVERYONE.



TurkishIncubus -> RE: Bots need to be buffed (5/7/2011 14:19:26)

Bot needs nerf not buff , 50% of ppl using 5 focus builds these days it already killed creativity , ppl dont even try to do a build without 5 focus , Focus is the worst thing come to ED , one day everybody will use 5 focus this is just ridiculus.
Did you used much brain power to give 45 to every stat ??? NO , its the cheapest way to win ppl and its almost the best build for every class.

In future if that happens like you said , you should use some brain power to atleast do a build.

5 Focus is invented for ppl that impotent to do a single build and quit game

With a 5 focus build you will have atleast +90% ratio this is insane






Epic Pwnser -> RE: Bots need to be buffed (5/7/2011 14:24:06)

I second turkish.
If anything, bots need nerfs.

Otherwise, the only thing that needs to be buffed is supercharge!
This way more tech mages will use SS, their super skill.
AND it creates more CREATIVITY.

Lastly, more weapons are needed! More events that make this game INTERESTING.
Right now, it's boring to the point that considered quitting.



xxmirxx -> RE: Bots need to be buffed (5/7/2011 14:27:21)

I agree PD they need to buff but only when everybody is able to buy bots.



Polandor -> RE: Bots need to be buffed (5/7/2011 14:35:14)

It need a Nerf not a buff.



5rr5 -> RE: Bots need to be buffed (5/7/2011 14:40:27)

I think you'r new to this game so you know nothing about anything!



xxmirxx -> RE: Bots need to be buffed (5/7/2011 14:45:24)

PD is not new his game name is Mr.Sup



PivotalDisorder -> RE: Bots need to be buffed (5/7/2011 14:49:41)

or maybe he knows more than you in a day :)

anyways, I dont agree with turkishincubus' comments on everyone going 5 focus. and at the end of the day, your enhancements and other
stat modifiers really define your build. i play alot of 2v2 and usually its 4 focus or support spammers.



One Winged Angel1357 -> RE: Bots need to be buffed (5/7/2011 14:51:19)

PD is a very old and respected member to the game(to an extent) and he is also a founder so thats how old he is


dude i like how different the titles are from here and EDR but its sill the same post but in afew years when Robots are being outmatched by sidearms then we can buff Bots



PD -> RE: Bots need to be buffed (5/7/2011 14:51:47)

You guys aren't thinking about the future, as usual. In fact, you guys are only thinking of now. I'm saying it needs a buff because although it's VERY powerful now, in 20-30 levels, Robots will be GONE. I'm trying to get the community to realize that the way robots work now... Robot builds will become useless. But that's not now. I propose we make a system where it maintains it's power over many levels, but it only gets the same power of Strength. I'm trying to make it so all builds work across all levels, to bolster creativity, not ruin it. Eliminating build choices is the very bane of creativity. Of course, for those of you who absolutely LOVE to make extremist conclusions out of nothing... When I say maintain, I mean make it so it retains the same power edge as strength over progressions, not above, not under.

And 5rr5, I'm anything BUT new. Don't make assumptions because I hide my character pages.

And OWA, there's a reason I made the titles different :P



Agiluz -> RE: Bots need to be buffed (5/7/2011 14:58:26)

IMO it doesn't need to be buffed or nerfed. Just leave it be as it is for the time being.



PD -> RE: Bots need to be buffed (5/7/2011 14:59:01)

^^ How about in 10-20 levels?



Agiluz -> RE: Bots need to be buffed (5/7/2011 15:02:05)

Probably it would be buffed when theres +6 focus and up, but 10-20 lvls? wait 5 years or more for it.[;)]



goldslayer1 -> RE: Bots need to be buffed (5/7/2011 15:04:27)

in the future bots might need to be buffed, altho bots should only be an alternative way of attacking, not being ur main power source
thats what i dont like about bots.
a 5 focus build should not rely on bots so heavily. 5 focus was only suppose to be a reward for using more balanced stat builds (as in not spamming, altho bots are OP right now. 45 on every stats at lvl 33 and u easily get 90% without npcs)
in the future however (in like lvl 40-50) all builds will most likely use 5 focus while still heavily abusing another stat.
and the bot will still be useful as another form of attacking (like attacking someone with low energy but he has high def so u use energy bot attack)



PD -> RE: Bots need to be buffed (5/7/2011 15:05:08)

Even with it's buff, it can only BE buffed only after 5 level. Also, after 8 focus (Theoretically), the problem of Low HP arises.



goldslayer1 -> RE: Bots need to be buffed (5/7/2011 15:06:18)

@pd
if they make 6 focus now.
u will only have like 50-60 hp.
thats perfect for str builds to take down.

altho 6 focus BH will still be hard.



PD -> RE: Bots need to be buffed (5/7/2011 15:09:43)

I believe everyone's starting to see the actual dis-advantages of Focus and Bots at higher levels.

It's time to advocate a Bot reform.

But only when the community collectively unites to solve this problem.



goldslayer1 -> RE: Bots need to be buffed (5/7/2011 15:12:21)

@pd
even if they release 6 focus, whose to say alot of people will use it now?
i seen someone with 50 on every stat. and he had very low hp.
altho he was tanking pretty hard.
even if they make 6 focus now, smart players wont risk having low hp specialy when high support builds may crit them easily.
(and dont say mercs because mage and BH also spam support.)



BloodRainbow -> RE: Bots need to be buffed (5/7/2011 15:23:38)

quote:

Robots will be GONE.


Good let them be gone. bots totaly destroyed all creativity in this game there so stupid and boring to play with. they need to be nerffed so the stupid things die off. then Titan and NW need to completely forget all about them. its gettin ratarded seeing the same basic build over and over and over and over again. Just let the bots die!!



Gold -> RE: Bots need to be buffed (5/7/2011 15:38:09)

I think what nobody understands is that bots, even right now, don't do THAT much damage.

BHs and TMs make more use of them because of Smokescreen and Malfunction.

They really do need to be buffed, not only with focus, but also damage itself.



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