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PivotalDisorder -> RE: Choices to Artix and Financial staff (5/21/2011 21:37:14)

noooo i wanted to pwn all the nooby non variums with stun guns, and make them cry tears of unfathomable sorrow



Soliqe -> RE: Choices to Artix and Financial staff (5/21/2011 21:50:32)

I love how people ignored my post...

This time, I'll re-post it in bold:

@Wiseman

In regards to your first paragraph, nothing is ever free. It's like me saying, "I'll give you two free tickets to heaven today (since the world is ending and all) for the small low price of $50" Do you not see the contradiction? Free and money do not mix. That's what stupid infomercials do when they're trying to sell Billy May's Oxy Clean. The only small difference with EpicDuel is that you're not shouting our ears off saying, "KABOOM! WORKS LIKE MAGIC! WOW LOOK AT THAT SHINE! KABOOM! AND THE STAIN IS GONE!!!"

Honestly, if you can explain to me how free and money coincide with each other, then I will be amazed and silenced.

I agree with the rest of your post. I honestly don't hoard varium. I'm a need to buy basis. However, that's still not an excuse for the insane varium promos.

Anyways, I believe I've said enough to get my point across.

To the rest of you, "We don't have to buy Varium? You are correct, but you are wrong in so many ways. WE are the investors of EpicDuel.

You know, in the business world, the investors make decisions upon the "product" for it's welfare. This is not only to keep the "investors happy" but it's to keep the business running. Right now, the business(ED) is ignoring it's investors(The players), twisting their ideas, and making a terrible version of it. If the investors are going to be ignored further, the investors will pull out their stock, and invest elsewhere.

Right now, the investing in this game is becoming taxing and the investors are voicing their opinions. It's time for AE and ED to either listen to their investors, or close down ED permanently.(since the investors will leave)

You can say my ideas are bull, and that they're over dramatic; but this is a business, not just a game. And this business right now, is going to go down hill if they don't change their pricing. People can't spend money like they used to. Inflation is causing money to flow to more important things, and less to go into leisure. If you can't see that, I feel sorry for all of you.



Bunshichi -> RE: Choices to Artix and Financial staff (5/21/2011 22:04:01)

I agree with you solique



Shadronica -> RE: Choices to Artix and Financial staff (5/21/2011 22:21:46)

This game is like a rudderless ship and I am ticked at myself for remaining onboard all this time. I am truly naive and thick to think I can change anything here.



goldslayer1 -> RE: Choices to Artix and Financial staff (5/21/2011 22:52:16)

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In regards to your first paragraph, nothing is ever free. It's like me saying, "I'll give you two free tickets to heaven today (since the world is ending and all) for the small low price of $50" Do you not see the contradiction? Free and money do not mix. That's what stupid infomercials do when they're trying to sell Billy May's Oxy Clean. The only small difference with EpicDuel is that you're not shouting our ears off saying, "KABOOM! WORKS LIKE MAGIC! WOW LOOK AT THAT SHINE! KABOOM! AND THE STAIN IS GONE!!!"

u mean like this

"buy a $50 pack and recieve 10,000 varium + 15,000 credits, a gamma bike and a gamma bot. and for a limited time only we will throw in 2 stun guns with that deal"
ur example didn't make much sense



Wraith -> RE: Choices to Artix and Financial staff (5/21/2011 22:54:54)

I wonder why I bought the guns--I don't use 'em. I use plasma acp now.



Soliqe -> RE: Choices to Artix and Financial staff (5/21/2011 23:11:17)

@gold

Lol I think everyone knows it made sense. Just use your brain a little harder.

Not everyone in the world has $50 to throw away. To kids and adults, that's a lot of money. You can buy an xbox game for that amount of money, and the xbox game last you a lifetime, while the Varium only lasts you... a week? After buying several weapons, enhancing them fully, make a name change and class change, buy a bike, increase your inventory... That's about 10k+ in itself.



Silver Sky Magician -> RE: Choices to Artix and Financial staff (5/22/2011 0:30:04)

^

Why would you need to do half the things listed above? Practically, varium should only be used for buying weapons/armour (if seriously needed) and enhancing them.



goldslayer1 -> RE: Choices to Artix and Financial staff (5/22/2011 0:33:45)

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Lol I think everyone knows it made sense. Just use your brain a little harder.

Not everyone in the world has $50 to throw away. To kids and adults, that's a lot of money. You can buy an xbox game for that amount of money, and the xbox game last you a lifetime, while the Varium only lasts you... a week? After buying several weapons, enhancing them fully, make a name change and class change, buy a bike, increase your inventory... That's about 10k+ in itself.

right
i bought call of duty black ops for $50
and i only played it one week. i got bored of it after. really bored.
i personally dont like console games much, specialy now they want to start charging $$$$ for playing demos, and DLC, expansion packs (its not normal for console games, but its normal for big mmorpg like WOW)



Mr. Black OP -> RE: Choices to Artix and Financial staff (5/22/2011 0:37:23)

@above
dam u go through games fast, some ppl are getting almost 6 months now out of that game



SpeedNfs -> RE: Choices to Artix and Financial staff (5/22/2011 1:10:14)

@gold

Why are you arguing with Soliqe anyway? You really think the $50 promo items are essential to this game? Would not having them make the game off-balance? Or would the developers become homeless being unable to pay their bills?

Here are the facts - at the beginning of ED, you bought yourself a $50 pack and you had everything; Founder Armor and Beta items - you needed no crazy enchancements or promo rares. Now this is just getting pathetic - promo after promo.. This is throwing the game way off balance, AND IF THIS KEEPS GOING in a few months time this game wouldn't be about who is smarter, it would be about who is richer.



goldslayer1 -> RE: Choices to Artix and Financial staff (5/22/2011 1:51:29)

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Why are you arguing with Soliqe anyway? You really think the $50 promo items are essential to this game? Would not having them make the game off-balance? Or would the developers become homeless being unable to pay their bills?

Here are the facts - at the beginning of ED, you bought yourself a $50 pack and you had everything; Founder Armor and Beta items - you needed no crazy enchancements or promo rares. Now this is just getting pathetic - promo after promo.. This is throwing the game way off balance, AND IF THIS KEEPS GOING in a few months time this game wouldn't be about who is smarter, it would be about who is richer.

promos are so that u get more for ur money
if u wanna pay $50 and only get just the varium and ur credits
then by all means go ahead and buy it without the promos.
but what do u prefer? a $50 pack with just varium and 15k credits or a pack with 10k varium, 15k credits, a gamma bot, a gamma bike, and another item/s ?
its ur choice if u buy varium or not.
for example those stun guns, u dont need them, they are just as good as the skullfire, frostbolt and charfade blaster, the fact that u think u need them to "survive" is how ur mentality works but ur not seeing that. so why should u blame the devs for the way u think?

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AND IF THIS KEEPS GOING in a few months time this game wouldn't be about who is smarter, it would be about who is richer.

buffy is one of the richest ED players, but u never see her on the boards.
she doesn't have any 1 vs 1 champ or 2 vs 2 champ badges either.



SpeedNfs -> RE: Choices to Artix and Financial staff (5/22/2011 2:32:10)

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but what do u prefer? a $50 pack with just varium and 15k credits or a pack with 10k varium, 15k credits, a gamma bot, a gamma bike, and another item/s ?


I would in fact prefer to just have Varium + 15K, at least then I wouldn't need to keep buying packs (as players have to do now) in order to get the latest promos (e.g. stun guns).

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its ur choice if u buy varium or not. for example those stun guns, u dont need them, they are just as goodas the skullfire, frostbolt and charfade blaster, the fact that u think u need them to "survive" is how ur mentality works but ur not seeing that. so why should u blame the devs for the way u think?


"Just as good" or "slightly better"?

Frostbolt Blaster - +18 stats, 32 Damage
Stun Blaster - +19, 33 Damage

Do I need them to survive? No, they aren't essential. But you don't seem to understand what I meant by my last post - if a game requires you to pay out constantly, $50 a month just to stay on top - it's not worth playing. Wouldn't it be a lot better if there was a "limit" to the pay more:be more powerful ratio? So that people could at least afford to mess about and experiment with different builds?

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buffy is one of the richest ED players, but u never see her on the boards.
she doesn't have any 1 vs 1 champ or 2 vs 2 champ badges either.


Buffy is just an example. But hear this - any player that is already on the leaderboards can be made better by getting more Varium. I wouldn't care if the advantage was small.. But it keeps creeping up.



Egoraptor -> RE: Choices to Artix and Financial staff (5/22/2011 2:57:58)

Cinderalla and the AKs have explained their thoughts on this,Why havent Titan,Nightwraith and Charfade posted any explaination about this???????
They should stop making LOTS of promo items and start making what the players are asking for. Just make the promos like the old days. Buy 10k varium and get 2k var free.



goldslayer1 -> RE: Choices to Artix and Financial staff (5/22/2011 3:06:21)

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I would in fact prefer to just have Varium + 15K, at least then I wouldn't need to keep buying packs (as players have to do now) in order to get the latest promos (e.g. stun guns).

yeah and so far all actual promos are seasonal weps (azrael bane, eggzookas, and many more) stun guns aren't seasnonal. just like founder, beta weps, maurader bike, and i think there was another one.

quote:

"Just as good" or "slightly better"?

Frostbolt Blaster - +18 stats, 32 Damage
Stun Blaster - +19, 33 Damage

Do I need them to survive? No, they aren't essential. But you don't seem to understand what I meant by my last post - if a game requires you to pay out constantly, $50 a month just to stay on top - it's not worth playing. Wouldn't it be a lot better if there was a "limit" to the pay more:be more powerful ratio? So that people could at least afford to mess about and experiment with different builds?

frostbolt and skullfire are both for str builds. these stuns guns aren't good for str builds because of the stats on support.
its not so good for support either because of its stats on str dex/tech.
i dont find those guns good anyway. the only thing thats good in them is the 5% stun chance.


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Buffy is just an example. But hear this - any player that is already on the leaderboards can be made better by getting more Varium. I wouldn't care if the advantage was small.. But it keeps creeping up.

new hope is non varium and she's top of 2 vs 2.



King FrostLich -> RE: Choices to Artix and Financial staff (5/22/2011 4:17:46)

Well, since these items arent available in-game I'm off to get 10k points soon. Oh and stop making promo items already devs, you've had 3 promo items after each one is gone.



SpeedNfs -> RE: Choices to Artix and Financial staff (5/22/2011 9:13:02)

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yeah and so far all actual promos are seasonal weps (azrael bane, eggzookas, and many more) stun guns aren't seasnonal. just like founder, beta weps, maurader bike, and i think there was another one.


That's exactly why there weren't many complaints about Azrael Bane and Celtic Cleaver, because they were build-specific. Releasing weapons that every class needs to get in order to stay level (e.g. Eggzookas, Stun Guns) is what this thread is about.

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i dont find those guns good anyway.
The stun is a huge advantage for Tech Mages, and may even be used as an advantage by Str Mercs, since the requirements are somewhat low.

And yeah, New Hope is first on the 2v2 leaderboard, with 22K wins. But don't you think she'd have more wins if she had Varium?



goldslayer1 -> RE: Choices to Artix and Financial staff (5/22/2011 9:37:40)

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That's exactly why there weren't many complaints about Azrael Bane and Celtic Cleaver, because they were build-specific. Releasing weapons that every class needs to get in order to stay level (e.g. Eggzookas, Stun Guns) is what this thread is about.

like i said imo the stats aren't place right.
str mercs cant use it because of its support (also requires tech)
for mages the energy one has str and tech (alot of mages prefer dex little tech and alot of support)
for BH it might work for mid lvl str/support bh.
but i still dont think they are good.

quote:

And yeah, New Hope is first on the 2v2 leaderboard, with 22K wins. But don't you think she'd have more wins if she had Varium?

maybe but its really more of a time issue.



Elf Priest JZaanu -> RE: Choices to Artix and Financial staff (5/22/2011 9:45:01)

This thread is not focused on how well balanced the stats are or how they can be build specific. The threads goal it to give sight to the game's challenges with inflated rates both for obtaining promos as well as the devalue on varium once it is considered "old money" when it comes to promos.

Since this happens nearly once a month, this is posing a very difficult issue for players. Do stay on topic.



goldslayer1 -> RE: Choices to Artix and Financial staff (5/22/2011 9:51:44)

@jzaanu
thats understandable
but thats one of the things that make the items good, if the item is good, ur gonna buy it. if it aint good, ur not gonna buy it. imo they are not good.
if the item is good then i would have an incentive to buy it.
the 5% chance of stun is probably what got alot of people to buy it without seeing if its good or not.

an item is great if it can be used with many builds.
most of the builds i used with different classes would not work well with these guns.
like the stats aren't in the right place, thats why i did not buy a large pack, atleast yet.

and promos are bonuses they dont have to add any promos but they do it so that players get more for their money.



XxEPiC Str3NGtHxX -> RE: Choices to Artix and Financial staff (5/22/2011 10:34:21)

I think the only way we can stop these outrageous varium and promo prices is if a large portion of frequent varium buyers stop buying varium, the devs will see that sales are going down and will be forced to do something about it, otherwise no matter what anyone says Money talks louder than all the people in this forum combined.

Money is a very dangerous thing to have, it can do all sorts of different things, it can motivate people or turn them against one another, it can make people completely blind, deaf and ignorant, it can lead people to do all sorts of stupid things that they wouldn't have done otherwise, corruption, greed and deceit have all been fabricated since money was invented and what ED has done is let money drill into the center of their brain, they are blind, deaf and ignorant to our views, the only thing we can do collectively is to disrupt their money flow then we will be heard.



Xendran -> RE: Choices to Artix and Financial staff (5/22/2011 11:09:03)

I'm going to compare the old value of varium to the new value of varium.
This is assuming you get a non-promo package.

To be maxed out minus founder in early beta:
Primary - 1000 Varium (Frostbane)
Gun - 275 Varium (SGM) or 350 (ACP)
Auxiliary - 975 Varium
Armor - 500 Varium

Total: 2750 or 2825

To be maxed out sans promo EXCEPT those available for puchase in game, and including rares currently:
Weapon: 1500 + 1700
Gun: 995 + 950
Auxiliary: 2200 + 1200
Armor: 995 + 1200
Robot: 1900

Total: 12640



Zean Zapple -> RE: Choices to Artix and Financial staff (5/22/2011 11:13:58)

Promotional Deals have over-run ED. We definitely need to slim them down, and enhancements, wether compensated for them or not, need to go.


~Zean



Azuren -> RE: Choices to Artix and Financial staff (5/22/2011 11:26:34)

Woah whats up people! It's Shock Value here - haven't played ED for AGES. (haha i quit)
JZaanu is completely right. But yeah. LOL.

@JZaanu: WHY DID YOU KICK ME OUT OF ETERNAL PARADISE :( :(



Zean Zapple -> RE: Choices to Artix and Financial staff (5/22/2011 11:28:30)

http://forums2.battleon.com/f/tm.asp?m=19022396

Wiseman's idea seems to cover all of the issues, EXCEPT that promos need to be less frequent.


~Zean



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